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Lists of Austro-Hungarian Units Galliopli/Middle East

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Re: Lists of Austro-Hungarian Units Galliopli/Middle East

Postby Tosun Saral on 17 Jul 2012 21:22

Officers of 15 cm Howitzer Battery No. 36 that come to Gallipoli at the middle of Nov.1915 and stationed in Soğanlıdere near Seddülbahir. with turkish and german comrades. source: mesut Uyar collection
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Re: Lists of Austro-Hungarian Units Galliopli/Middle East

Postby Chris Dale on 18 Jul 2012 11:23

Thanks for that great picture Tosun!

Hope you had a good birthday...

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Re: Lists of Austro-Hungarian Units Galliopli/Middle East

Postby Tosun Saral on 20 Jul 2012 09:44

Thanks dear Chris. As usual I am having my sommer days at Alanya on the Med shore. Life is easy and beautiful. :D
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Re: Lists of Austro-Hungarian Units Galliopli/Middle East

Postby joerookery on 23 Oct 2012 14:06

Old thread new picture – thank you Chris – any comments?

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Re: Lists of Austro-Hungarian Units Galliopli/Middle East

Postby gyuresz on 23 Oct 2012 21:58

Thank you for sharing this photograph with us, which is indeed very interesting of several reasons.

First, this is only the second time I see this Austrian tropical uniform on a period photograph. The other photo is the one that was posted by Chris in this thread on 21st June 2007. What is interesting that both pictures were taken in a studio. I have not yet seen an Austrian soldier wearing this kind of uniform on photographs taken in the field in Turkey. The most striking difference is the jacket with the six visible buttons: all field photographs from Turkey that I know show soldiers wearing the familiar Austrian jacket with the hidden buttons. It makes me wonder whether this uniform was used in the field at all, and if yes, by which units.

Second, the back side of the picture shows the date of 18th June 1916. If this date is correct, then we shall reconsider the previous assumptions about the other undated picture posted by Chris that was supposedly taken in 1918, showing a soldier in the uniform of the Orientkorps. We can not speak of Orientkorps before early 1918, so if the uniform already existed in 1916, it could not be issued uniquely for them.

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Re: Lists of Austro-Hungarian Units Galliopli/Middle East

Postby Chris Dale on 23 Oct 2012 23:08

Good points György, I will look into my sources...

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Re: Lists of Austro-Hungarian Units Galliopli/Middle East

Postby Chris Dale on 24 Oct 2012 14:31

Hello again,
I think this is the Karlbluse, a tunic referred to in Osprey's Austro-Hungarian Forces in WW1 (2) P14. It was a trail tunic made in 1916 in khaki with visible buttons. 4,000 are estimated to have been made but it was not taken up by the KuK army in general. In Volume 1 of the same series on P47, Jung says that one picture of a tropical uniform H4 was clearly made in early 1916 as it "still has concealed buttonholes" implying that the later ones were not concealed.

I've not seen any photos of it in the field. Perhaps not many of them went out as most of the Orientkorps was never deployed.

You're right though we still need more source material on this.

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Re: Lists of Austro-Hungarian Units Galliopli/Middle East

Postby Tosun Saral on 24 Oct 2012 16:19

My new book "Çanakkale, Sina, Filistin Cephelerinde Avusturya Macaristan Ordusu Topçu Bataryaları" (Artillery Units of Ausro-Hungarian army at Gallipoli, Sina and Palestine)

My article published on Çanakkale 1915 Magazine in March 2012 about KuK artillery batteries at Gallipoli
http://www.turkmacar.org.tr/index.php/g ... ataryalari
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Re: Lists of Austro-Hungarian Units Galliopli/Middle East

Postby gyuresz on 24 Oct 2012 17:34

Hello Chris,

Thank you for looking it up! I think you are right, it must be the Karlbluse from 1916, maybe even a special design made for the tropical uniform (other specimens of the Karlbluse that I found with googling have more traditional cut, save the visible buttons). Let us hope that with time more dated photos will turn up.

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Chris Dale wrote:Hello again,
I think this is the Karlbluse, a tunic referred to in Osprey's Austro-Hungarian Forces in WW1 (2) P14. It was a trail tunic made in 1916 in khaki with visible buttons. 4,000 are estimated to have been made but it was not taken up by the KuK army in general. In Volume 1 of the same series on P47, Jung says that one picture of a tropical uniform H4 was clearly made in early 1916 as it "still has concealed buttonholes" implying that the later ones were not concealed.

I've not seen any photos of it in the field. Perhaps not many of them went out as most of the Orientkorps was never deployed.

You're right though we still need more source material on this.

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Re: Lists of Austro-Hungarian Units Galliopli/Middle East

Postby Tosun Saral on 28 Jan 2013 13:56

War Medal (Gallipoli Star) awarded to personal of Kuk army units in percentage
source: DISSERTATION von Mag.phil. Carmen Diana ALBU-LISSON, Universiaet Wien, Wien 2010
"Die in das Österreichische Bundesheer der Ersten Republik übernommenen k.u.k. Offiziere"
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Re: Lists of Austro-Hungarian Units Galliopli/Middle East

Postby Chris Dale on 03 Feb 2013 22:30

Thanks for that my friend! I love a good graph!

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Re: Lists of Austro-Hungarian Units Galliopli/Middle East

Postby Tosun Saral on 10 Feb 2013 17:18

KuK pilot Hess Richard with Gallipoli Star
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Re: Lists of Austro-Hungarian Units Galliopli/Middle East

Postby Tosun Saral on 10 Feb 2013 17:20

Hungarian pilot with Gallipoli Star. Both captains s are members of balloon company. A sign of balloon ist easly seen on the collars.
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Re: Lists of Austro-Hungarian Units Galliopli/Middle East

Postby Tosun Saral on 31 Jul 2013 12:28

Kaynak:http://david.juden.at/kulturzeitschrift/70-75/74-wildberger.htm

Artillery sergeant Nissim Behmoiras was a son of a Jewish-Turkish family from Edirne who imigrated to Austrian Brünn. As he know fluent Turkish he was given to the order of Kuk battarey stationed at Sina Palestine front. he died at field hospital Bethanum on July 25 1917 when he was 22
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Re: Lists of Austro-Hungarian Units Galliopli/Middle East

Postby Chris Dale on 31 Jul 2013 15:10

Hi Tosun,

Great photos, thank you for sharing.

The Austrian balloon badge was I think worn by all flyers (aeroplane pilots and observers and the balloon troops themselves), see http://www.austro-hungarian-army.co.uk/facings.htm

So the guys you say are from a balloon company might well be aeroplane pilots.

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