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46th Turkish Infantry Regiment 1918

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Postby Tosun Saral on 27 Jul 2006 08:44

A Major
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Postby Tosun Saral on 27 Jul 2006 08:47

A Captain who fought in Gallipoli with 2 stars.
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Postby Tosun Saral on 27 Jul 2006 08:49

An Officer of the Hecinsuvar (the Camel) Regiment in Palastine.
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Postby Tosun Saral on 27 Jul 2006 08:51

A Major
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Postby Tosun Saral on 27 Jul 2006 08:53

A Cavalry 1st Lt.
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Postby Tosun Saral on 27 Jul 2006 08:56

Captain Mahmut Adil Odak
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Postby Tosun Saral on 27 Jul 2006 09:15

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Postby Tosun Saral on 28 Jul 2006 09:57

A painting of Esat Pasha by a German artist.
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Turkish soldiers

Postby Tosun Saral on 28 Jul 2006 10:07

A painting by a Turkish artist showing Turkish soldiers attacking the invading British during the Gallipoli wars.
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Postby Byrom on 01 Aug 2006 09:53

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The Australian war memorial has a picture of the 46th regiment's (as well of two other Ottoman standards captured by the Australian one of the 80th regiment and one un-identified)

here is the caption from the picture:

Regimental standard the 46th Turkish Infantry Regiment captured near Damascus, 1918

ID Number: RELAWM04772 Other Reference Image

Title: Regimental standard the 46th Turkish Infantry Regiment captured near Damascus, 1918
Maker: Unknown
Object type: Colour
Place made: Turkey (Country of origin)
Date made: c 1914-1918
Physical description: Silk; Gold bullion thread; Gold bullion wire; Crimson silk regimental standard with a gold bullion fringe on the upper and lower edges, and on the fly. One side of the standard is embroidered in gold bullion thread with the toghra (personal cypher) of the Ottoman Sultan Mehmet V (1909-1918) within a circle. The circle is surrounded by embroidered representations of four regimental flags and various military symbols, including pikes, double-headed axes and trumpets. Beneath is a scroll of leaves from which are suspended embroidered representations of five medals. The other side of the standard is also embroidered in gold and shows two texts from the Koran written in arabic script. They translate as 'There is no god but God' and 'Mohammed, the Messenger of God'. The standard would originally have been attached to a pole surmounted by a nickel plated crescent moon and brass star. Two gold bullion and crimson silk cords and tassels would also have been attached to the pole. The side of the standard bearing the sultan's toghra has been damaged by over-exposure to light.
Summary: This Turkish regimental standard, belonging to the 46th Turkish Infantry Regiment, was captured by Major (later Lieutenant Colonel) Thomas Joseph Daly, near Damascus on the morning of 2 October 1918. At the time Daly was acting in command of 9 Light Horse Regiment (LHR), which had camped for the night at Khan Kusseir, near Damascus. Early in the morning a large Turkish force was seen marching for the pass at Khan Ayash, about a mile from 9LHR's encampment, in an attempt to retreat from Damascus. Daly immediately led his regiment up to the left of the Turkish column between the road and a ridge of hills. As the Australians approached a group of Germans attached to the column employed machine guns, and small parties tried unsuccessfully to move up the hills to prevent 9LHR from reaching the head of the Turkish column. Daly rode on until he was opposite the centre of the force. He sent two squadrons forward, one to block the pass at Khan Ayash and the other to block the road at Kubbett I Asafir. The third squadron dismounted and opened machine gun and rifle fire on the column. The first two squadrons quickly achieved their objective and the Turkish column halted on seeing its retreat cut off. Daly remounted the third squadron, sent a small party to gallop around the back of the column, and charged the enemy, with drawn swords. Although the Australians were only about a hundred strong the Turks surrended before the horsemen reached them. Ninety-one officers, 318 cavalymen, 1064 infantrymen and eight Germans were taken prisoner. Also captured were three field guns, twenty six machine guns and other material, as well as the standard of the 46th Regiment. The entire action was over in less than an hour. The standard, claimed to be the only one captured by Australians, is in fact one of at three captured in the course of the campaign in Palestine, another near Damascus in 1918 and one at Magdhaba in 1916. All are in the collection of the Australian War Memorial

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Re: 46th Turkish Infantry Regiment 1918

Postby stevebecker on 03 Oct 2011 01:30

Mates,

This was again mentioned on another site but I poses this question?

"Bill,

It poses some questions here?

What Sqn was Maxwell, possibly A or C Sqn's?

The 46th Regt commanded by LtCol Cemaleddin Bey was part of the 13th Turkish Div commanded by posibly Col Havik Bey.

This Regt and Division were destoried during the fighting in the Caucasus near Russia in Aug 1916 being remade as part of the 5th Caucasus Div around that time.

This Division was reported to have moved to Perisa in late 1918?

Your account mentions the 45th Regt (not mentioned in the unit war diary) this Regt was part of the 15th Turkish Div and was like wise used in the Caucasus against the Russians?

One does wonder what this Regt was doing outside Damascus at that time?

S.B

Can you confirm why the 46th Regt was outside Damascus?

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Re: 46th Turkish Infantry Regiment 1918

Postby domster on 03 Oct 2011 16:23

Hi Steve

I wonder if there was a typo somewhere and it was actually the 146th regiment's standard. They were certainly operating in this theatre in 1918?

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Re: 46th Turkish Infantry Regiment 1918

Postby stevebecker on 04 Oct 2011 06:21

Mate,

Thats possible as the aussie acount also gives some 500 cavalry with this force of whom some 300 were captured with over 1000 Infantry?

I wonder what the Turkish war history gives us here, could the Infantry Regt be a mix of many units and what Cavalry Regt could be there?

As to the 146th Regt I show that part of the 46th Division raised Syria 1915 to Macedonia Nov 1916 to Salonika? to Mesopotamia April 1917 destroyed Oct 1918

So was that Regt near Damascus at that time?

I did notice that the 146th Infantry was part of the Composite Div with - 162nd Regt - 178th Regt - 3/24th Regt, but I am unsure where this formation served and could this be part of the force outside Damascus when this happened?

Any ideas fellows?

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Re: 46th Turkish Infantry Regiment 1918

Postby domster on 04 Oct 2011 17:36

Hi Steve
146th regiment were detached from 46th div in July 1917 and sent to east Jordan. They arrived in Maan in time to take part in operations against Arab forces in southern Jordan after the capture of Aqaba as part of the 1st composite force. They took part in operations in and around Tafileh in early 1918. They remained in the south until at least July 1918. I will have a trawl through intelligence summaries to see if they moved north at all in 1918.
I agree with you about the 46th regiment i think they were swallowed up in the caucasian regiment/divisions activity and never served in the Palestine area or east Jordan.

For them to be near damascus in October 1918 they would have had to left Maan before the general evacuation in September 1918 otherwise they would have been captured at Ziza.

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