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Re: Caucasus Battles

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Post by Art » 13 May 2015, 11:39

maxnechitaylov wrote:II Turkestan AC, commander:
15.I.1913: lieut.-gen. (22.I.1915 general) Lesh, Leonid Wilgelmovich (http://regiment.ru/bio/L/66.htm)
It was not that simple. From July 1914 general Lesh was acting commander of the XII Army Corps operating in Galicia against AH Army.
http://www.grwar.ru/persons/persons.htm ... 9920c55e44
So de facto he didn't command II TAC, although formally he wasn't relieved of command.

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Re: Caucasus Battles

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Post by maxnechitaylov » 13 May 2015, 11:46

"After the beginning of First world war remained only the official commander of the corps operating on the Caucasian front since actually it commanded gen. N.N. Yudenich"
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Re: Caucasus Battles

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Post by Art » 13 May 2015, 22:00

maxnechitaylov wrote:After the beginning of First world war remained only the official commander of the corps operating on the Caucasian front
Yes, that it what I meant.

To add some info circa early December 1914 the Russian order of battle between the Black Sea and Sarikamis was as follows:

1. Batumi region
264 Infantry Regiment/66 Infantry Division
4 Battery/66 Artillery Brigade
1 Kuban Plastun Battalion/1 Kuban Plastun Brigade
19 Turkestan Rifle Regiment/5 Turkestan Rifle Brigade
25 Border Guards Brigade: an infantry battalion and a cavalry squadron
Mikhalovskiy Fortress Sapper Battalion

2. Oltu detachment
20 Infantry Division (gen. Istomin): 1 Brigade (77 and 78 Infantry Regiments); 2 Battalion/20 Artillery Brigade
3 Mozdok Mountaineers Cossack Regiment
26 Border Guard Brigade: 1/2 infantry battalion and a cavalry squadron
1 Caucasus Separate Sapper Company

3. Sariksamis detachment, general Berhman

I Caucasus Army Corps, gen. Berhman
39 Infantry Division, general De-Vitt: 1 Brigade, gen. Vorobyev - 153 and 154 Infantry Regiments; 2 Brigade, gen. Dubisskiy - 155 Infantry Regiment; 39 Artillery Brigade - 1st light and 2nd mountain battalions
2 Brigade/20 Infantry Division, gen. Andrusskiy - 79 and 80 Infantry Regiments; 1 Battalion/20 Artillery Brigade
1 Caucasus Sapper Battalion
1 Caucasus Mortar Battalion
1 Kuban Plastun Brigade, gen. Przhevalsky
2 Kuban Plastun Brigade, gen. Gulyga
1 Caucasus Cossack Division, gen. Baratov - 1 Zaporozhye Cossack Regiment, 1 Uman Cossack Regiment, 1 Kuban Cossack Regiment, 1 Mozdok Mountaineers Cossack Regiment, 1 Caucasus Cossack Artillery Battalion, 2 Kuban Cossack Battery, 1 Terek Cossack Battery

II Turkestan Army Corps, acting commander - corps artillery inspector general Slyusarenko
4 Turkestan Rifle Brigade, colonel Azaryev - 13, 14, 15 and 16 Turkestan Rifle Regiments, 4 Turkestan Artillery Battalion
5 Turkestan Rifle Brigade, gen. Chaplygin - 17 and 18 Turkestan Rifle Regiment, 5 Turkestan Artillery Battalion
2 Turkestan Sapper Battalion
26 Border Guards Brigade - 3/4 infantry battalion and 2 cavalry squadrons

4. Kars garrison
3 Caucasus Rifle Brigade (in process of formation), general Gabayev
263 Infantry Regiment/66 Infantry Division

5. Tiflis garrison
Siberian Cossack Brigade, gen. Kalitin - 1 and 2 Siberian Cossack Regiments, 2 Orenburg Cossack Battery

From:
http://militera.lib.ru/h/korsun_n1/22.html

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Re: Caucasus Battles

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Post by stevebecker » 14 May 2015, 01:21

Max,

Amazing details mate, your Russian is better then mine, I picked up a few words working with some Belorussians in the Former Yugoslavia with the UN in the early 90's.

IF I may be so bold to ask about the Commanding officers of the Russian Corps during this time

1st Caucasus Corps
Gen Bergmann (any details on who followed him?)

2nd Turkistan Corps
T/att Gen Yudenich CofS Caucasus 11-14 to Gen Gen Przhevalskiy 2-15
(any details on who followed them?)

4th Caucasus Corps
Gen Oganofski to Gen De Witt 12-15
(any details on who followed them?)


Also if possible who commanded these Bdes

1st Bde (20th Div) some repots place the Div commander General Istomin with this Bde?

Bdes of the 66th Div?

1st Caucasus Rifle Bde
2nd Caucasian Rifle Bde
3rd Caucasus Rifle Bde

4th Turkestan Rifle Bde
5th Turkestan Rifle Bde
Transcaspian Cossack Bde
2nd Kuban Cossack Infantry (Plastun) Bde

Alkan has filled a number of gaps here, but just to confirm some missing units like

Gen Kalitin Siberian Cossack Div where was this unit used?

2nd Kuban Cossack Infantry (Plastun) Bde - General Gulyga (what Corps was it with?)

reported place four Bdes in the 4th Corps but so far only three are found?

4th Turkestan Rifle Bde
5th Turkestan Rifle Bde
Transcaspian Cossack Bde

can we find the forth Bde of this Corps?

Once the 1914 Invasion forces are out of the way, I was also after the Order of Battle for the Russian Army when it again advanced on Erzurum during the so called Çoruh Campaign Jan 1916 and its battles against the Turkish 3rd Army and later the 2nd Army around Aug 1916.

Thank you for your and Alkans help, as down here we get little details on the Russian and Turkish Armies during this peroid.

Cheers

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Re: Caucasus Battles

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Post by maxnechitaylov » 14 May 2015, 13:07

I Caucasian AC
Gen Bergmann (any details on who followed him?)
Not Bergman, but Berhman (or Berkhman).

17.VIII.1914 - 1.XII.1914: ???
1.XII.1914 - 4.II.1915: full general (general ot infanterii) Berhman, Georgiy Eduardovich, ex-commander of II Caucasian AC. Probably, already commanded of corps by 22.X.1914.
4.II.1915 - 12.III.1917: full gen. (general ot cavalerii, 22.III.1915) Kalitin, Piotr Petrovich
since 12.III.1917: l.-g. Liakhov, Vladimir Platonovich

II Turkestan Army Corps
T/att Gen Yudenich CofS Caucasus 11-14 to Gen Gen Przhevalskiy 2-15
(any details on who followed them?)
11.XII.1914: Yudenich
3.II.1915 - 3.IV.1917: Przhevalskiy
25.IV.1917 - 12.X.1917: l.-g. Chaplygin, Alexandr Ivanovich
12.X.1917 - XI.1917: l.-g. Savitskiy, Ippolit Viktorovich

IV Caucasian AC
Gen Oganofski to Gen De Witt 12-15
(any details on who followed them?)
De Witt was the last commander of the corps (remained on a post in October 1917).
1st Bde (20th Div) some repots place the Div commander General Istomin with this Bde?
1st bde: 15.I.1909 - 9.IX.1914: m.-g. Nevtonov, Vladimir Fiodorovich (after the brigade commander in 59 ID)
2nd bde: 19.X.1906 - 23.III.1915: m.-g. (l.-g. 12.III.1915) Vorobiev, Nicolay Mikhaylovich
Istomin was the Division commander.

According Korsun (http://militera.lib.ru/h/korsun_n1/22.html), Vorobiev was a commander of 1st bde of 39 ID, gen. Andrusskiy was a commander of 2nd bde of 20 ID (according - http://www.grwar.ru/persons/persons.html?id=1204, Andrusskiy was a commander of 20th artillery bde).
Bdes of the 66th Div?
? bde: Nazarbekov
? bde: 25.III.1915 - 12.VIII.1916: m.-g. Amasiyskiy, Iakov Vasilievich
1st Caucasian Rifle Bde
Since 1915 the division

22.IV.1915 - after 10.VII.1916: m.-g. (l.-g. 6.XII.1915) Bekov, Konstantin Nikolaevich
2nd Caucasian Rifle Bde
Since 1915 the division

19.VII.1911 - 24.III.1915 (or 19.I.1915): m.-g. Voropanov, Nicolay Nicolaevich
19.I.1915 (or 24.III.1915) - I.1917: m.-g. Nazarbekov, Foma Ivanovich (Nazarbekian Tovmas Ovanesovich)
3rd Caucasian Rifle Bde
since 29.XII.1914 - Caucasian Rifle Division, since 30.VI.1915 - 3rd Caucasian Rifle Division

3.IX.1914 - 5.VII.1915: l.-g. Gabaev (Gabashvili), Vasiliy Davidovich
11.XI.1915 - 3.V.1916: m.-g. Bitsiutko, Constantin Iakovlevich (muslim; k.in a. 3.V.1916)
13.VI.1916 - 14.XI.1916: m.-g. Iozefovich, Felix Dominicovich
14.XI.1916 - 23.XI.1916, 26.I.1917 - 18.IV.1917: temporary: m.-g. Danilovich Nicolay Alexandrovich (commander of 3rd Caucasian rifle artillery bde, 17.XII.1915 - 13.IV.1917).
23.XI.1916 - 25.III.1917: m.-g. Schutskoy, Boris Iosifovich
25.IV.1917 - after 4.XII.1917: m.-g. Meder, Alexandr Arnoldovich
4th Turkestan Rifle Bde
Since 1915 the division.

20(30).V.1915 - 1917: m.-g. Azariev, Nicolay Nicolaevich
5th Turkestan Rifle Bde
Since 19.XI.1915 the division.

3.V.1914 - 25.IV.1917: m.-g. (l.-g. 8.IX.1916) Chaplygin, Alexandr Ivanovich
VIII.1916 - X.1916: m.-g. Bukovskiy, Alexandr Petrovich - temporary?
Transcaspian (Zakaspiyskaia) Cossack Bde
Since 1915 5th Caucasian Cossack Division.

9.XI.1913 - 14.XI.1915: m.-g. (l.-g. 21.VII.1915) Nicolaev, Andrey Mikhaylovich
2nd Kuban Plastun Bde
30.VII.1914 - 3.II.1915: m.-g. Gulyga, Ivan Emelyanovich
28.II.1915 - 29.VII.1916: colonel (m.-g. 3.IV.1915) Krasnopevtsev, Alexandr Vasilievich
29.VII.1916 - 1917: m.-g. Bukretov, Nicolay Andrianovich
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Re: Caucasus Battles

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Post by maxnechitaylov » 14 May 2015, 13:45

Gen Kalitin Siberian Cossack Div where was this unit used?
Separate Siberian Cossack bde (1 Siberian coss. rgt, 2 Siberian coss. rgt, 2nd Orenburg cossack battery), commander (1909-1915): l.-g. Kalitin P.P.; after him - colonel (m.-g. 8.IX.1915) Raddatz, Ernst-August Ferdinandovich, till 25.V.1916.

In 1914 brigade acted independently, without being a part of corps of detachment / unit. In early 1915 was a part of II Turkestan corps. By december 1915 was a part of army reserve, later returned to II Turkestan corps.
2nd Kuban Plastun Bde - General Gulyga (what Corps was it with?)
In 1914: first five btns (No. 7-11) - in Erevan detachment; 12th btn - in Makin detachment.
In 1915 the brigade is included in the 5th Caucasian AC and sent to the South-West front.
reported place four Bdes in the 4th Corps but so far only three are found?
4th Turkestan Rifle Bde
5th Turkestan Rifle Bde
Transcaspian Cossack Bde + two rgts of Terek cossack host + three Special Horse Sotnias of Kuban Cossack host + 1st and 5th Kuban cossack batteries
Korsun writes that in IV C. AC by 01.IV.1915 were: 2nd Cauc. rifle bde, 1st bde of 66 ID, 2nd and 4th [mistake!] Caucasian cossack divisions, Zakaspiyskaia and 2nd Zabaikalskaia cossack brigades. 4 and 5 Turkestan rifle brigades were in Olta detachment, together with II Turkestan AC.
http://grwar.ru/library/Korsun-Alashker ... e8655da360
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Re: Caucasus Battles

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Post by maxnechitaylov » 14 May 2015, 14:28

Russian battle order on 20.X (2.XI).1914:

https://archive.org/stream/mirovaiavoin ... 8/mode/1up

Etc., various battle-orders of Russian troops in the Caucasus since 1914
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Re: Caucasus Battles

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Post by stevebecker » 15 May 2015, 01:23

Max,

Sorry mate but my Russians not that good. so I have to rely on you and Alkan.

Just to finish this off can you find these questions?

If 66th Div 1st Bde under Gen Nazarbekov had its two Regts (263rd Regt at Kars) and 264th Infantry Regt (at Batumi)

Did the 66th Div have only the 2nd Bde under Gen Amasiyskiy, what were its Regts?

What Artillery Bde was with the 66th Infantry Div?

other details on the 4th Caucasus Corps

2nd Caucasian Cossack Div what units made up this Cossack Div?

What were its (4th Caucasus Corps) support units?

Corps Artillery and Engineers?

2nd Caucasian Rifle Artillery Bde (was this with the 4th Cauc Corps?

Like wise the Artillery with the;

1st Caucasus Corps (can you confirm?)

64th Artillery Bde
1st Caucasus Mortar Bn

2nd Turkistan Corps

What Artillery units in Corps?

Sorry my mistake but the above question should have been

reports place four Bdes in the 2nd Turkistan Corps but so far only three are found?

4th Turkestan Rifle Bde
5th Turkestan Rifle Bde
Transcaspian Cossack Bde

can we find the forth Bde of this Corps?

I am thinking it could be 2nd Kuban Cossack Infantry (Plastun) Bde can you confirm?

So far what you blokes have done is great after a break can we push on to the next order of Battle?

Cheers

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Re: Caucasus Battles

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Post by Art » 15 May 2015, 12:01

stevebecker wrote: Did the 66th Div have only the 2nd Bde under Gen Amasiyskiy, what were its Regts?

What Artillery Bde was with the 66th Infantry Div?
The rule is very simple: the Russian infantry division had four consecutively numbered infantry regiment in two brigades and an artillery brigade of the same number. So 66 Infantry Division consisted of 261, 262, 263 and 264 Infantry Regiments and 66 Artillery Brigade (two battalions, each of three batteries).
1st Caucasus Corps (can you confirm?)

64th Artillery Bde

Corrected: 66 Artillery Brigade which belonged to the 66 ID.
reports place four Bdes in the 2nd Turkistan Corps but so far only three are found?

4th Turkestan Rifle Bde
5th Turkestan Rifle Bde
Transcaspian Cossack Bde
The corps transferred to Caucasus with 4 (13-16 Regiments ) and 5 (17-19 Regiments) Turkestan Rifle Brigades also Transcaspian Cossack Brigade followed later separately and joined 4 Caucasus AC. No other brigades.
2nd Turkistan Corps
What Artillery units in Corps?
No corps artillery.

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Re: Caucasus Battles

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Post by maxnechitaylov » 15 May 2015, 13:28

If 66th Div 1st Bde under Gen Nazarbekov had its two Regts (263rd Regt at Kars) and 264th Infantry Regt (at Batumi)
Did the 66th Div have only the 2nd Bde under Gen Amasiyskiy, what were its Regts?
What Artillery Bde was with the 66th Infantry Div?
The rule is very simple: the Russian infantry division had four consecutively numbered infantry regiment in two brigades and an artillery brigade of the same number as division.
So 66 Infantry Division consisted of 261, 262, 263 and 264 Infantry Regiments and 66 Artillery Brigade (two battalions recte, divizions, each of three batteries).
P.S. 261 Akhulginskiy (Akhulgo) IR (commabder - colonel Potto in October 1914) + 262 Groznenskiy (Groznaia) IR = 1st brigade (Erevan detachment); 263 Gunibskiy (Gunib) IR (colonel Chernogorov), in Kars, + 264 Georgievskiy (Georgievsk) IR, in Batum, = 2nd bde.
2nd Caucasian Cossack Div what units made up this Cossack Div?
1st (Kuban) bde, m.-g. Pevnev: 1 Labinskiy (Laba) rgt, 1 Chernomorskiy (Black Sea) rgt; during summer-autumn 1915 - 1 Labinsliy rgt and 3 Chernomorskiy rgt.
2nd (Terek) bde, m.-g. Potto: 3 Volgskiy (or Volzhskiy; Volga) rgt (Terek cossack host), 3 Chernomorskiy rgt (Kuban host); in February 1915 - 3 Volgskiy rgt and 3 Zaporozhskiy rgt (Kuban host); in August 1915 - 3 Volgskiy rgt and 3 Kizliaro-Grebenskoy rgt (Terek host); Summer 1916 - only 3 Volgskiy rgt.
2nd Caucasian cossack horse artillery divizion: 1 and 5 Kuban cossack batteries
Late 1916: added 3 Sunzhensko-Vladikavkazskiy rgt - Terek host (separately from brigades).
Since 26.XII.1916: Rifle Divizion of 2nd Caucasian cossack division
What were its (4th Caucasus Corps) support units?
Corps Artillery and Engineers?
According Maslovskiy:

IV Caucasian AC, in early December 1914: 2 Cauc. rifle bde, 66 Inf. Div., 2 Caucasian coss. div., Transcaspian cossack bde, 2nd separate Caucasian Sapper Company, 26 and 27 Frontier Guard bdes, 2 and 3 Armenian druzhinas.

IV Caucasian AC, 1.IX.1915: 2 Cauc. rifle bde (5-8 Cauc. rifle rgts), 2 Cauc. rifle artillery divizion (12 guns), 66 Inf. Div. (261, 262, 263 rgts), 66 Art. bde, 26 and 27 Frontier Guard bdes, Caucasian cavalry division (16, 17, 18 dragoon rgts, 1 Khoperskiy Cossack rgt), Caucasian horse mountain artillery divizion (1 and 2 horse mountain batteries, field horse battery), Summary Division (ex-Transcaspian cossack bde), 4 Kuban cossack battery, 11, 13 and 25 Special Kuban sotnias, two companies of 2 Turkestan Sapper Btn, 33, 42 and 44 Militia (Opolchenie) Sapper half-companies, 1st Caucasian Militia Bde (586, 587, 590, 593, 594, 595 druzhinas), 9 and 10 Turkestan landmark (etapnie) companies.

IV Caucasian AC, 20.XII.1915: 2 Cauc. rifle Div. (5-8 Cauc. rifle rgts), 2 Cauc. rifle artillery divizion (24 guns), 1 Cauc. Militia Bde, 66 Artillery Bde, 2 Caucasian Cossack Div., two companies of 2 Turkestan Sapper Btn, 42 and 44 Militia Sapper half-companies, 9 and 10 Turkestan landmark companies, 11, 13 and 25 Special Kuban sotnias, 2 Caucasian Frontier Cavalry Rgt.

IV Caucasian AC, 01.VI.1916: 2 Cauc. rifle Div. (5-8 Cauc. rifle rgts), 2 Cauc. rifle artillery bde [really formed by order of 16.IX.1916 from 2nd Caucasian Rifle artillery divizion] (24 guns), 66 Inf. Div. (261, 262, 264 rgts), 66 Artill. Bde, 1 Cauc. Militia Bde, 1, 2, 3 Armenian druzhinas, 2nd Separate Caucasian Howitzer battery, 2 Caucasian cossack Div., 2 Caucasian Frontier Cavalry Rgt, 11, 13 and 25 Special Kuban sotnias, two companies of 2 Turkestan Sapper Btn, 42 and 44 Militia Sapper half-companies, 2nd separate Caucasian Sapper Company, 2 Kars Fortress Sapper Company.

IV Caucasian AC, 1.I.1917: 66 Inf. Div. (all four rgts), 66 Art. Bde, 2 Cauc. Rifle Div., 2 Cauc. rifle artillery bde, 2nd Armenian Btn, 3 Caucasian separate Artillery Divizion, 2nd Separate Caucasian Howitzer battery, 9 Mortar Divizion, 2 Caucasian cossack Div., 2 Caucasian Frontier Cavalry Rgt, 13 Special Kuban sotnia, 4 Caucasian Sapper Btn (six companies).
2nd Caucasian Rifle Artillery Bde (was this with the 4th Cauc Corps?
Yes, see above.
Like wise the Artillery with the;
1st Caucasus Corps (can you confirm?)
64th Artillery Bde
1st Caucasus Mortar Bn
64th Artillery Brigade: as a part of 64th Infantry Division, 7th Army, later North-Western Front :)

1st Caucasian Mortar Artillery Divizion: as a part of I Caucasian Army Corps; the second half of 1915: in Army Artillery Reserve; by 1.VI.1916: in I Caucasian AC; late 1916: in VI Caicasian Army Corps.

Other Special units of I Caucasian AC in early December 1914: 1st Caucasian Separate Artillery Divizion, 1st Caucasian Sapper btn.
2nd Turkistan Corps
What Artillery units in Corps?
Artillery battalions ("divizions") as a part of each Rifle Brigage:
4th Turkestan Rifle Artillery Divizion (colonel Avtonomov, 24 guns)
5th Turkestan Rifle Artillery Divizion (col. Dmitriev, 16 guns)
2nd Turkestan Sapper Btn (col. Ter-Akopov; five companies)

NB: Transcaspian Cossack Bde (1 Kavkazskiy (Caucasus) coss. rgt, 1 Tamanskiy (Taman') coss. rgt - Kuban host) included 4th Kuban cossack battery.
Sorry my mistake but the above question should have been
reports place four Bdes in the 2nd Turkistan Corps but so far only three are found?
4th Turkestan Rifle Bde
5th Turkestan Rifle Bde
Transcaspian Cossack Bde
can we find the forth Bde of this Corps?
No, we can't.
I am thinking it could be 2nd Kuban Cossack Infantry (Plastun) Bde can you confirm?
In Erevan detachment, later I Causasian AC.

NB: Kuban foot cossack bdes were called only "(number) Kuban Plastun bde".
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Re: Caucasus Battles

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Post by stevebecker » 16 May 2015, 00:40

Max,

Thanks again wonderful details.

Just to finish this. just a few questions?

Transcaspian (Zakaspiyskaia) Cossack Bde - Gen Nicolaev

You gave this

"Transcaspian Cossack Bde + two rgts of Terek cossack host + three Special Horse Sotnias of Kuban Cossack host + 1st and 5th Kuban cossack batteries"

But also

"NB: Transcaspian Cossack Bde (1 Kavkazskiy (Caucasus) coss. rgt, 1 Tamanskiy (Taman') coss. rgt - Kuban host) included 4th Kuban cossack battery.

Can you confirm which is correct or at what time they were under the General Nicolaev?

Can you give the details for is Bde

1st Kuban Plastun Cossack Bde - Gen Przhevalskiy

In the order of Battle for 4th Cauc Corps Nov 1915 you show this unit?

"IV Caucasian AC, 1.IX.1915: 2 Cauc. rifle bde (5-8 Cauc. rifle rgts), 2 Cauc. rifle artillery divizion (12 guns), 66 Inf. Div. (261, 262, 263 rgts), 66 Art. bde, 26 and 27 Frontier Guard bdes, Caucasian cavalry division (16, 17, 18 dragoon rgts, 1 Khoperskiy Cossack rgt), Caucasian horse mountain artillery divizion (1 and 2 horse mountain batteries, field horse battery), "

Caucasian cavalry division
16th 17th and 18th Dragoon Regts
1st Khoperskiy Cossack Regt

It is shown for only a month as its gone in the Dec 1915

Any other details on this unit?

Just to add a strange one in accounts it is reported a Colonel Barkovski destroyed the 87th Turkish Regt at Çerkezköy Dec 1914. Can you find his name in the records of the unit he commanded?

Cheers

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Post by maxnechitaylov » 16 May 2015, 01:55

Transcaspian (Zakaspiyskaia) Cossack Bde - Gen Nicolaev
1st (Terek Cossack Host) Regt
2nd (Terek Cossack Host) Regt
three Special Horse Sotnias of (Kuban Cossack host) Regt
1st and 5th Kuban cossack batteries


I wrote "+", that is besides the Transc. brigade!
It's separate units in IV Caucasian AC:
1) Transcasp. bde
2) 3rd Kizliaro-Grebenskoy coss. rgt
3) 3rd Volgskiy coss. rgt
4) three sotnias
5) batteries
"NB: Transcaspian Cossack Bde (1 Kavkazskiy (Caucasus) coss. rgt, 1 Tamanskiy (Taman') coss. rgt - Kuban host) included 4th Kuban cossack battery.
It's real structure of the brigade.
1st Kuban Plastun Cossack Bde - Gen Przhevalskiy
1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th Kuban Plastun btns
2nd Kuban Plastun Cossack Bde - Gen Gulyga
7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th btns
In the order of Battle for 4th Cauc Corps Nov 1915 you show this unit?
"IV Caucasian AC, 1.IX.1915: 2 Cauc. rifle bde (5-8 Cauc. rifle rgts), 2 Cauc. rifle artillery divizion (12 guns), 66 Inf. Div. (261, 262, 263 rgts), 66 Art. bde, 26 and 27 Frontier Guard bdes, Caucasian cavalry division (16, 17, 18 dragoon rgts, 1 Khoperskiy Cossack rgt), Caucasian horse mountain artillery divizion (1 and 2 horse mountain batteries, field horse battery), "
Caucasian cavalry division
16th 17th and 18th Dragoon Regts
1st Khoperskiy Cossack Regt
It is shown for only a month as its gone in the Dec 1915
Any other details on this unit?
- 1st bde: 16 dragoons Tverskoy rgt, 17 dragoons Nizhegorodskiy rgt; commander (6.VII.1912 - 27.X.1915): m.-g. Vivien de Chateaubrain, Iosif Iosifovich; since 21.VIII.1915 actually the brigade commanded by colonel (m.-g. 17.X.1915) Kopachev, Nicolay Nicolaevich.
- 2nd bde: 18 dragoons Severskiy rgt, 1st Khoperskiy cossack rgt (Kuban host); commander (2.IV.1914 - VII.1915, 1.IX.1915 - 1917): m.-g. Isarlov, Iosif Lukich.
- Caucasian horse mountain artillery divizion: 1st and 2nd Caucasian horse mountain batteries; 12.III.1915 added Caucasian Field Horse battery; 28.IV.1916 added 3rd Caucasian horse mountain battery.

Since the beginning of war a division on the North-Western front.
Division transferred to the Caucasus in early 1915, originally as a army reserve.
By September 1915 as part of IV Caucasian AC.
In October, 1915 it (actually in Persia since January, 1916) is included in Baratov's detachment for a campaign in Persia.
SInce 26.VI.1916 as part of 1st Caucasian cavalry corps (since 24.I.1917 Caucasian cavalry corps).

Divisional commanders:
22.XII.1910 - 29.XII.1915: l.-g. Sharpantie, Nicolay (Claas-Gustav-Robert) Robertovich.
29.XII.1915 - 15.IV.1917: m.-g. (l.-g. 14.X.1916) prince Beloselskiy-Belozerskiy, Sergey Konstantinovich.
Just to add a strange one in accounts it is reported a Colonel Barkovski destroyed the 87th Turkish Regt at Çerkezköy Dec 1914. Can you find his name in the records of the unit he commanded?
Barkovskiy, Vladimir Mikhaylovich. Colonel. Commander of 80th infantry Kabardinskiy (Kabarda) rgt (2nd bde of 20 Infantry Division) since 4.VII.1913. His regiment arrived to Sarykamysh by the morning of 14 December. Later it's strenghtened by two Plastun btns.
Killed in action 4.I.1915.
(All dates on Old Style.)
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Re: Caucasus Battles

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Post by stevebecker » 17 May 2015, 01:13

Max,

Again thank you, along with Art and Alkan are slowly filling the holes.

The Artillery of this Army during Nov 1914 to Jan 1915 still has me thinking?

1st Caucasus Corps (numbers and types of guns (if known?)

1st Caucasian Separate Artillery Div (guns?)
1st Caucasus Mortar Bn (guns?)

20th Artillery Bde - 2xArty bns (24 guns) - Gen Andrusskiy
39th Artillery Bde - 2xArty bns(24 guns)
1st Caucasus Cossack Artillery Bn - 2nd Kuban Cossack Bty 1st Terek Cossack Bty (12-16 guns?)

total - 60 to 66 guns + Corps guns?

2nd Turkistan Corps

4th Turkestan Artillery Bn (24 guns) - Col Avtonomov
5th Turkestan Artillery Bn (16 guns) - Col Dmitriev
4th Kuban cossack battery (6-8 guns?)

total - 46 or 48 guns?

Tiflis garrison

2nd Orenburg Cossack Bty (6-8 guns?)

Batumi region Garrison

4Bty/66th Artillery Bde (6-8 guns?)

total - 12 to 16 guns?

4th Caucasus Corps

66th Artillery Bde - 2xArty bns (-) 4 Bty at Batumi (24 guns?)
2nd Caucasian Rifle Artillery Bde (12-16 guns?)
2nd Caucasian cossack horse artillery Bn - 1st and 5th Kuban cossack btys (12-16 guns?)

total 48 to 52 guns?

all up - 166 to 188 guns + Corps guns 1st Corps?

How do we get 250 + guns for this invasion?

Max, accounts mention this Infantry Regt, can you find it in the records?

Yelizavetpolski Regt

Cheers

S.B

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Re: Caucasus Battles

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Post by maxnechitaylov » 17 May 2015, 02:06

156th Infantry Yelizavetpolskyi regiment: 2nd brigade, 39 Infantry Division.
Commander: 23.VIII.1912 - after 13.V.1915: colonel Tseikhanovich, Nicolay Fiodorovich; 29.XI.1915 - after I.1917: colonel Fenenko, Mikhail Iakovlevich.
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Re: Caucasus Battles

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Post by stevebecker » 17 May 2015, 03:10

Mate,

Thank you.

My confussion with the Artillery comes from what Batteries had 6 or 8 guns per.

Div Artillery Bdes show 6 to 8 Batteries of 8 guns per Battery

Cav Artillery Bn two Batteries per Bn are 6 gun batteries

Corps Guns are 4 to 6 guns per Battery with two heavy Batteries per Corps?

So the 1st Corps should have 8 to 12 Heavy guns

With each Infantry Div with around 48 guns

Indepentant Infantry Bdes had an Artillery Bn with 3 Batteries around 24 guns?

20th Div 24 or 48 guns?
39th Div 24 or 48 guns?
66th Div 24 ot 48 guns?

Cav Divs- 12 guns

Cheers

S.B
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