Withdrawal of the Ottoman Army from Yemen in 1918
http://video.marebpress.net/watch.aspx?vid=4154
Film Turkic Ottoman occupation of Yemen
http://video.marebpress.net/watch.aspx?vid=2682
Cheers Holger
Rare Pictures from the Ottoman Yemen
Rare Pictures from the Ottoman Yemen
“Day by day and almost minute by minute the past was brought up to date. . . . All History was a
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Dear Holger,
As far as I'm concerned none of these photos taken in Yemen. These are photos from Gallipoli, Palestine-Syria and Mesopotamia (even a photo showing the transfer of British POWs from Kut) fronts.
Regards
As far as I'm concerned none of these photos taken in Yemen. These are photos from Gallipoli, Palestine-Syria and Mesopotamia (even a photo showing the transfer of British POWs from Kut) fronts.
Regards
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Hello Infantry
Thank´s for your comments. I thought this to me, too if I read this headline.
Maybe you can help me with the identification of the photos in this link?
Sorry, I cannot read Turkish. Could these photos be from Ottoman Yemen?
http://unyezile.com/redif.htm
Thank’s
Holger
Thank´s for your comments. I thought this to me, too if I read this headline.
Maybe you can help me with the identification of the photos in this link?
Sorry, I cannot read Turkish. Could these photos be from Ottoman Yemen?
http://unyezile.com/redif.htm
Thank’s
Holger
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The song on the first two videos is called "Yemen Türküsü" (Song of Yemen) The sonf is typical Turkish but both versions are modernized.
Here is the lyric of the song: and in Englis:
Havada bulut yok bu ne dumandır / There is no cloud in the air, what is that smoke?
Mehlede ölüm yok bu ne figandır / There are no death in the neighbourhood What are those cryings?
Şu Yemen illeri ne de yamandır. / The Yeme lands are so violent
Burası Huş’tur,yolu yokuştur / This place is called Hush, its road is lumpy
Giden gelmiyor, acep ne iştir. / Those who go never returns What is going on?
Ah o Yemen'dir gülü çemendir / Ah this land is Yemen, Its rose is bitter
Kışlanın önünde redif sesi var / The voices of reserves in front of the barracks
Bakın çantasına aceb nesi var /Open his bag and see what he has
Bir çift kundurası bir de fesi var / A pair of shoes and a fez
On the other hand Zile is a town of the Province Tokat in Eeast Anatolia. The people of province are Turkish. A battalion from Zile called "Zile Redif Taburu" (Aged soldiers Battalion from Zile) took part at Yemen. The page is dedicated to those heroes who returned safely and KIA in Yemen.
Here is the lyric of the song: and in Englis:
Havada bulut yok bu ne dumandır / There is no cloud in the air, what is that smoke?
Mehlede ölüm yok bu ne figandır / There are no death in the neighbourhood What are those cryings?
Şu Yemen illeri ne de yamandır. / The Yeme lands are so violent
Burası Huş’tur,yolu yokuştur / This place is called Hush, its road is lumpy
Giden gelmiyor, acep ne iştir. / Those who go never returns What is going on?
Ah o Yemen'dir gülü çemendir / Ah this land is Yemen, Its rose is bitter
Kışlanın önünde redif sesi var / The voices of reserves in front of the barracks
Bakın çantasına aceb nesi var /Open his bag and see what he has
Bir çift kundurası bir de fesi var / A pair of shoes and a fez
On the other hand Zile is a town of the Province Tokat in Eeast Anatolia. The people of province are Turkish. A battalion from Zile called "Zile Redif Taburu" (Aged soldiers Battalion from Zile) took part at Yemen. The page is dedicated to those heroes who returned safely and KIA in Yemen.
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Dear Holger,
Once again none of the photos -showing Ottoman soldiers- are from Yemen. One of them from Gallipoli Front (British soldiers burying Ottoman dead soldiers during one of the cease fires), two photos are from Republican period (notice the presence of officers wearing peak hats and soldiers wearing kepis) and others, I guess from Palestine-Syria front. Reference to text the author talked about a certain reserve battalion from the sub-province of Zile which was assigned to Yemen. Even though he put some documents overall quality of the information is quite problematic.
Regards
Once again none of the photos -showing Ottoman soldiers- are from Yemen. One of them from Gallipoli Front (British soldiers burying Ottoman dead soldiers during one of the cease fires), two photos are from Republican period (notice the presence of officers wearing peak hats and soldiers wearing kepis) and others, I guess from Palestine-Syria front. Reference to text the author talked about a certain reserve battalion from the sub-province of Zile which was assigned to Yemen. Even though he put some documents overall quality of the information is quite problematic.
Regards
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Dear Tosun Saral
Many thanks for the useful tip. I knew the English text of the song from this tip.
http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/411692/ ... -ottoman-w
If it did not know, however, the song from the video is.
Dear Infantry
Many thanks to you, too. At moment I search about info of the Ottoman Yemen.
So I found some other links with this area, but again in Turkish language.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm72zs8m3C4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxzMG-Hw ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3-RHBzR ... re=related
Holger
Many thanks for the useful tip. I knew the English text of the song from this tip.
http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/411692/ ... -ottoman-w
If it did not know, however, the song from the video is.
Dear Infantry
Many thanks to you, too. At moment I search about info of the Ottoman Yemen.
So I found some other links with this area, but again in Turkish language.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm72zs8m3C4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxzMG-Hw ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3-RHBzR ... re=related
Holger
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All the videos are in Arabic language not Turkish. Here is a Turkish one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ic4qym4 ... re=related
General of the Army Ali Sait Akbaytugan (Hacıosman (Hunce Hable)1872-İstanbul, 1950) He was a Circassian Turk. His family imigrated tu Turkish mainland after the fall of Caucasus into Russian hannds. Son of Hunc Kasbolet Bey. Graduated Harbiye the War School in 1895 and Staff Collage in 1898. Fought the Turco Italio and Balkan Wars. Staff Colonel Ali Sait Bey commanded the 39th Division at Taiz during WW1. He then promoted to the rank of Pasha (Major general) because of his great sucsess at Yemen. He surrounded the British at Aden in order the terms of Mundros Peace Agreement. He was taken to Egypt with Galip Pasha (Lt. General Pasiner) commander and governor of Hicaz and wasimprisoned in a villa. After the truce he returned to Istanbul and begun to organize the Circassians to gather around Mustafa Kemal Pasha For that reason he wasarrested again by British and deported to Malta as war criminal with other Turkish pashas and civil buorocrats. Under the pressure of Mustafa Kemal's pressure to British all of the deportants found innocent were returned to Turkey. He immediately joined the National Forces of Mustafa Kemal.
Army serial number : (P.(Inf.)-1311(1895)- C-1)
C means that the war school have graduated 3 classes that year.
Retired. 15.7.1937
Majgen: 1915, Lt. Gen: 1923, Gen.1927
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ic4qym4 ... re=related
General of the Army Ali Sait Akbaytugan (Hacıosman (Hunce Hable)1872-İstanbul, 1950) He was a Circassian Turk. His family imigrated tu Turkish mainland after the fall of Caucasus into Russian hannds. Son of Hunc Kasbolet Bey. Graduated Harbiye the War School in 1895 and Staff Collage in 1898. Fought the Turco Italio and Balkan Wars. Staff Colonel Ali Sait Bey commanded the 39th Division at Taiz during WW1. He then promoted to the rank of Pasha (Major general) because of his great sucsess at Yemen. He surrounded the British at Aden in order the terms of Mundros Peace Agreement. He was taken to Egypt with Galip Pasha (Lt. General Pasiner) commander and governor of Hicaz and wasimprisoned in a villa. After the truce he returned to Istanbul and begun to organize the Circassians to gather around Mustafa Kemal Pasha For that reason he wasarrested again by British and deported to Malta as war criminal with other Turkish pashas and civil buorocrats. Under the pressure of Mustafa Kemal's pressure to British all of the deportants found innocent were returned to Turkey. He immediately joined the National Forces of Mustafa Kemal.
Army serial number : (P.(Inf.)-1311(1895)- C-1)
C means that the war school have graduated 3 classes that year.
Retired. 15.7.1937
Majgen: 1915, Lt. Gen: 1923, Gen.1927
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Dear Tosun SaralGeneral of the Army Ali Sait Akbaytugan (Hacıosman (Hunce Hable)1872-İstanbul, 1950) He was a Circassian Turk. His family imigrated tu Turkish mainland after the fall of Caucasus into Russian hannds. Son of Hunc Kasbolet Bey. Graduated Harbiye the War School in 1895 and Staff Collage in 1898. Fought the Turco Italio and Balkan Wars. Staff Colonel Ali Sait Bey commanded the 39th Division at Taiz during WW1. He then promoted to the rank of Pasha (Major general) because of his great sucsess at Yemen. He surrounded the British at Aden in order the terms of Mundros Peace Agreement. He was taken to Egypt with Galip Pasha (Lt. General Pasiner) commander and governor of Hicaz and wasimprisoned in a villa. After the truce he returned to Istanbul and begun to organize the Circassians to gather around Mustafa Kemal Pasha For that reason he wasarrested again by British and deported to Malta as war criminal with other Turkish pashas and civil buorocrats. Under the pressure of Mustafa Kemal's pressure to British all of the deportants found innocent were returned to Turkey. He immediately joined the National Forces of Mustafa Kemal.
Army serial number : (P.(Inf.)-1311(1895)- C-1)
C means that the war school have graduated 3 classes that year.
Retired. 15.7.1937
Majgen: 1915, Lt. Gen: 1923, Gen.1927
You have done me a big favor with the details of Brigade General (Mirliva) Ali Sait Akbaytugan Pasha
Thanks a lot for this. I have searched here about his position and history:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 0&t=169338
I found some additionally details about him in the British Military Handbook of Yemen 1913-1917.
The 2. and 3. Photo shows his headquarter in the Ottoman Fortress Al-Cairo on Mount Sahbre in Taiz.
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A better photo of Gen. Ali Said Akbaytugan from 1932
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This photo from Mirliva (General-Major) Ali Sáid Akbaytugan Pasha was taken from Lieutenant-Colonel H. F. Jacob,
1st Assistant Resident, Chief Political Officer and Advisor (1904-1920) at Lahej in the Aden Protectorate in Yemen at
the 10th March 1919, three days before General Ali Sáid Pasha laid down his arms, as the last General of the Ottoman
Empire, and two months later than Mirliva (Brigade-General) Hamid Ömer Fahrettin Türkkan Pasha in Medina, Hedjaz!
1st Assistant Resident, Chief Political Officer and Advisor (1904-1920) at Lahej in the Aden Protectorate in Yemen at
the 10th March 1919, three days before General Ali Sáid Pasha laid down his arms, as the last General of the Ottoman
Empire, and two months later than Mirliva (Brigade-General) Hamid Ömer Fahrettin Türkkan Pasha in Medina, Hedjaz!
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General Ali Sáid Pasha with his General staff Officers in Aden after the armistice in Yemen.
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Major General Ali Sa'it Akbaytogan with Field Marshall Gazi Mustafa Kemal Pasha (Atatürk)( on his right) visiting the city of Kastamonu in 1926. The city of Kastamonu and surroundings played a very strategical and important role during the Turkish War of Liberation 1919-22. All the material, officers and soldiers were shipped wia Kastamonu to Ankara.
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Staff Lt. Col. Nazım Bey (Gülükbaşı/Kayseri 1887- On the Hill Yumru Tepe near Nasuhçalı 1922)
He fought at Yemen in 1910 and Balkan in 1912
Chief of Staff of 19th Div. at Galizia
CoS of Caucasus Army umder command of Nuri Pasha who took Baku
KIA as commander of 4th Div. during the Great attack on August 26th 1922
After his death the Turkish National Assambly promoted him to the rank of Colonel.
He is buried at the Cemetary of National Heroes at Ankara.
Kurmay Albay Şehid Mehmet Nazım Bey
He fought at Yemen in 1910 and Balkan in 1912
Chief of Staff of 19th Div. at Galizia
CoS of Caucasus Army umder command of Nuri Pasha who took Baku
KIA as commander of 4th Div. during the Great attack on August 26th 1922
After his death the Turkish National Assambly promoted him to the rank of Colonel.
He is buried at the Cemetary of National Heroes at Ankara.
Kurmay Albay Şehid Mehmet Nazım Bey
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Dear Tosun
Thank´s for posting.
Could your Nazim Bey the same person like on the attached photos?
Wali (General-Gouverneur) Mahmud Nāzim (Bey) Pasha after the armistice in Yemen
Thank´s for posting.
Could your Nazim Bey the same person like on the attached photos?
Wali (General-Gouverneur) Mahmud Nāzim (Bey) Pasha after the armistice in Yemen
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No sir he is not. Mehmet Nazım Bey left Yemen to take part in the Balkan War. sorry. I just posted his pix because he was one of the officers that I know who was in Yemen.
İsmet İnönü (Lt. Gen) the 2nd President of Turkish republic also served at Yemen. İzzet Pasha was ordered to settle the uprising in Yemen in 1910. The army which was called Mürettep Kuvvetler the Composed Forces had the authority more then an Army. Staff Captain İsmet Bey was appointed to the HQ of the Army as an staff officer. He acted as adviser to İzzet Pasha. Because of his good service and cabable fights at Beytuş-Şaban battles he was promoted to the rank of Major in April 26th 1912. He then became CoS of the Yemen Army. As the Balkan War broke out İzzet Pasha was taken to home. İsmet bey continued negotiations with İmam Yahya and went to Kaffet-ül-Uzer to sign a peace treaty which was accepted by ottoman Government.
Staff Major İsmet Bey
İsmet İnönü (Lt. Gen) the 2nd President of Turkish republic also served at Yemen. İzzet Pasha was ordered to settle the uprising in Yemen in 1910. The army which was called Mürettep Kuvvetler the Composed Forces had the authority more then an Army. Staff Captain İsmet Bey was appointed to the HQ of the Army as an staff officer. He acted as adviser to İzzet Pasha. Because of his good service and cabable fights at Beytuş-Şaban battles he was promoted to the rank of Major in April 26th 1912. He then became CoS of the Yemen Army. As the Balkan War broke out İzzet Pasha was taken to home. İsmet bey continued negotiations with İmam Yahya and went to Kaffet-ül-Uzer to sign a peace treaty which was accepted by ottoman Government.
Staff Major İsmet Bey
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