LtCol Selahattin Adil

[stevebecker]

Mates,

Also if possible why the change of Division commader LtCol Selahattin Adil Commander 13th Div during 1914/15 was replaced to be the Chief of Staff 13th Div around Aug 1915?

My records show;

13th Divison LtCol Selahattin Adil Bey to Col Havik (Albert Heuck) (German) and

CofS - Maj Naci 1914/15 to LtCol Selahattin Adil 8-15

Was the arrival of Col Heuck as comander 13th Div the reason he was down graded to CofS?

Any ideas?

S.B

[stevebecker]

Mates,

It plain that this change in command didn't effect the career of this officer as he went on to commad higher formations.

11th Corps (3rd Army 1914) Van Galip Pasa (Pasinler) - Abdülkerim Pasa (Öpelimi) - Col Selahattin Adil Bey

all in the Caucasus.

S.B

[jwsleser]

Steve

All my information has Selahattin Adil as the Commander 12th Div during this period. I also don't see him in the Caucasus in 1914. he does command a corps in 1921-22 and retires as a divisional general.

Pista! Jeff

[jwsleser]

Mehmet Selahattin Adil

He briefly takes command of the 13th Division in September 1915. Promoted to Colonel on 14 December 1915. Commands both the 11th and 17th Corps in 1917. Promoted to divisional general (Major general) on 15 October 1921.

Pista! Jeff

[stevebecker]

Jeff,

Thanks again mate, yes I made a mistake read Ericson's book, 12th Div not 13th Div.

Cheers

S.B

[stevebecker]

Jeff,

Erickson records

12th Division LtCol Selahattin Adil - Col Havik (Albert Heuck) 9-15 (G) - LtCol Süleyman Ilhami Bey - LtCol Mürsel Bey - Col Ali Rifat Bey

This change in Sept 1915 to Col Heuck but no record of how long Heuck took over from Salahattin Adil?

Was there a reason for his taking temp command of the 13th Div from Col Hovik in sept 1915?

Cheers

S.B

[jwsleser]

Steve

I will need to check the officials to see if a reason is given.

Pista! Jeff

[stevebecker]

Jeff,

Erickson gives the date of this change over as 12 Sept 1915 with Col Havik replacing him in the 12th Div.

My reading of Erickson looks like the 13th Div arrived at the Helles Front around that time (V Corps under Gen Fevzi along witth the 14th Div under LtCol Kazum) and Erickson shows the 13th Div with the Commander as Col Hovik and CofS as Salahattin Adil.

Its possible he made a mistake and Salahattin Adil was the Temp Commander from Col Hovik of the 13th Div.

Possibly Col Hovik was wounded or ill or sent some where else?

Cheers

S.B

[jwsleser]

Steve

What books of Erickson are you referencing? I can't find where your are pulling your info.

I am using:

On Yillik Harbin Kadrosu (Roster of Ten Years of War). Units, commanders and staffs of the Balkans, WW1 and the War of Independence.

Türk Istiklâl harbi’ne katilan Tümen ve daha üst Kademelerdeki Komutanlarin Biyografileri (Biographies of commanders of divisions and higher echelons that participated in the Turkish War of Independence).

Various officials as needed.

Ordered to Die indicates V Corps arrived in July (page 90). Gallipoli indicates July as well (pages 129, 136).

Biyografileri states Selahattin took command of the 13 Division on 18 September.

I believe that the two exchanged commands as the 13th Division was withdrawn to Keşan in October to begin recreating the strategic reserve. Selahattin takes command of the 11th Corps in June 1916. Kadrosu page 82 footnote 8 on the movement of the 13th Division.

Pista! Jeff

[stevebecker]

Jeff,

No worries,

Erickson's book "Gallipoli The Ottoman Campaign" published in 2010.

Page 226 lists the units during the fighting at Anzac Sept to Dec 1915 which shows the change over of command of the 12th Div.

Page 227 lists the units at Helles Sept 1915 to Jan 1916 which shows the command offciers of the 13th Div.

When I mention the V Corps units that was when they firsted appeared in Erickson's list, as Sept 1915 but of cause they may have been somewhere else before that date.

Cheers

S.B

[stevebecker]

Mate,

I've contacted a mate who has contact with Ed Erickson to explane why he gave that details on Salahattin Adil.

I await his reply.

Cheers

S.B

[stevebecker]

Jeff,

His reply;

As to your query in post # 939 Ed has clarified as follows:



I'm using Ismet Gorgulu's "On Yillik Harbin Kadrosu" - it shows that Selahattin Adil took command of 13 Division at Helles on 12 September 1915 and was replaced by Havik who took 12 Division (page 95). Captain Samli Cemil was the CofS of 12 Division.

It also shows on page 82 that on 12 September (the same day) Selahattin Adil took command of 13 Division (with Captain Celal as his CofS). Havik is previously listed as Hovik by Gorgulu.

Page 227 is obviously in error. Both Selahattin Adil and Havik are commanders of the 12th Division with a changeover date of 12 September. Gorgulu does not clarify why the two commanders "swapped" divisions. I don't know where the 18 September date comes from, unless it took Selahattin six days to get down there and take command.

I have no information about Hovik/Havik's status in command after 12 September.



Cheers

Chris


Cheers

S.B

[stevebecker]

Jeff,

Also this;

Additional information to your query at post #939 from Professor Mesut Uyar at UNSW at ADFA.



I checked from the memoir of Selahaddin Adil. According to his account he received the order of exchanging commandership of 12th and 13th IDs on 12 September. He was shocked and unhappy with this order. He unwillingly handed over command to Albert Heuck and took over 13th ID. He was not sure of the reason behind this decision. His bitter relations with von Sanders might be one reason. His previously good relations with the Second Army Commander Vehib Pasha (he took over the responsibility of southern group facing Helles on 9 July) might be another alternative reason. Or combination these two reasons might be the ideal reason.

Cheers

Chris

Cheers

S.B