What is the gas, which British forces was used in the 2nd battle of Gaza

[tiger1981]

What is the gas, which British forces was used in the 2nd battle of Gaza?

Is it Phosgene ? or Chlorine? or ....?

[Tosun Saral]

After 1st Gazze battle The British HQs send to Gen. Dobell 174th Div., 2 Cav. brigades, 2 field artillery battalions, 12 heavy guns and 8 tanks. HQs also supported the artillery with 8000 gas shells. On april 19th the british fired 4000 gas shells. Turks had no gas masks. The gas was swollowed by the sands of the desert and coused no harm to Turks. (Birinnci Dünya Harbi'nde Türk Harbi cilt 1 p.631)

Reserve Lt.Falih Rifki (Atay)(writer, novalist, publisher, Journalist) was privat secratery of Cemal Pasha. he wrote his memories in his famous book: Zeytindağı (Ölberg, Olivehill)
Zeytindağı is a place in Jerusalem where there was a German Hospital which became HQ of Cemal Pasha during War. In p.158 he tells about a tank:
"Have you ever seen a dead tank? How sad is the cadaver of things that are produced to kill. One of them is fallen infront of our trenches. It made a barrier with its huge, empty and broken body. During the night our soldiers guarded infront of this tank to prevent a sudden umbush. One night a guard noticed an English soldier aproaching slowly. He waited inside the tank. If he would fire and kill him all the fire of the enemy would be on him. If he would kill him with his bayonet he would lost the 5 gold Turkish Liras awarded for every alive English. So he decided a third possibility to catch him alive. he slowly wore off his socks which he didnt washed since many months and hit strongly on the head of English from behind. Immediately he put the socks in his mouth to stop him shouting. The poor English fainted. After a while as he come to himself he claimed that the Turk used poison which was againts all human behaviour."

[ChristopherPerrien]

What is the gas, which British forces was used in the 2nd battle of Gaza?

Is it Phosgene ? or Chlorine? or ....?

I have always heard it was Mustard Gas.

[Ironmachine]

What is the gas, which British forces was used in the 2nd battle of Gaza?
Is it Phosgene ? or Chlorine? or ....?

It is said to have been phosgene in this link:http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/war/palesti ... le-of-gaza

The same was true of the gas. There were not enough gas shells available to deliver a lethal concentration of phosgene over the area covered.

I have always heard it was Mustard Gas.

At the time of the 2nd battle of Gaza (April 1917), Mustard gas had not been employed in combat by the Germans, so much less so by the the British.

[stevebecker]

Mates,

My sources give two types;

Hi Mate

A document I have somewhere states it was "Red Star Gas" which apparently the description for chlorine.

Gareth

and this one;

Hi

According to a paper on 'Chemical Warfare and the Palestine Campaign' by Yigal Sheffy in 'The Journal of Military History' July 2009 (an excellent article), the British used CBR shells, which were a 50/50 mix of phosgene and arsenic chlorine.

Cheers

Stuart


Hope that helps

Cheers

S.B

[ChristopherPerrien]

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I have always heard it was Mustard Gas.

At the time of the 2nd battle of Gaza (April 1917), Mustard gas had not been employed in combat by the Germans, so much less so by the the British.

OK, perhaps it was the 3rd battle. Something is just sticking with me, that Gaza was first experimental use of Mustard by British for their own manufactured mustard.. I could easily be wrong there too.

[Ironmachine]

According to a paper on 'Chemical Warfare and the Palestine Campaign' by Yigal Sheffy in 'The Journal of Military History' July 2009 (an excellent article), the British used CBR shells, which were a 50/50 mix of phosgene and arsenic chlorine.

CBR was a 50/50 mix of phosgene and arsenic (tri)chloride.
This version is also presented in Allenby's Military Medicine: Life and Death in World War I Palestine, by Eran Dolev (page 37):

In anticipation of the Second Battle of Gaza, he decided upon the use of gas shells in order to secure a victory this time. Those to be used were CBR shells which consisted of equal parts of the lethal substance phosgene and chloride of arsenic.

[tiger1981]

Thanks for you all my friends Tosun Saral and ChristopherPerrien and Ironmachine and stevebecker.

[Tosun Saral]

My article published at Düşünce ve Tarih ( thought and History) on July 2015 no 1o The British used gas during Gazze battle"

[Tosun Saral]

The article

[stevebecker]

Tosun,

My friend do you have an English version of this?

Cheers

S.B

[Tosun Saral]

Only in Turkish. Turkish public is olso very eager to know old stories. If I had to write in English I would be an international historian with my 50 military history aricles dear Steve