Ottoman 7th Infantry Division

[stevebecker]

Max,

Didn't all Cossack Cavalry carry a sword, or was that just Hollywood?

Cheers

S.B

[tiger1981]

Caucasian Cossack Cavalryman: caucasian / asiatic shashka, kinzhal (dagger), rifle 1891 pattern (since 1916 - with a bayonet); NCO: instead of a rifle - the revolver Nagan; Officers: shashka, dagger, revolver / pistol.
Steppe Cossack Cavalryman: cossack shashka pattern 1904, rifle, lance (first rank).

Thank you my friend.
Sorry I should have asked what is type of guns in units of Cossack? and what is type of MG in units of Cossack? is it true that MG mounted on horse-drawn carriages in units of Cossack?

[maxnechitaylov]

Max,

Didn't all Cossack Cavalry carry a sword, or was that just Hollywood?

Cheers

S.B

All )))) Caucasian sabre - shashka:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shashka
the text is rather weak, but from photos it is possible to gain an evident impression about appearance of the weapon

[maxnechitaylov]

Sorry I should have asked what is type of guns in units of Cossack? and what is type of MG in units of Cossack? is it true that MG mounted on horse-drawn carriages in units of Cossack?

Guns: light field rapid-fire 3-inch guns pattern 1900.

Machine-guns: see Evdokimov, p. 111 (MG on pack horses, since 1917 - two-wheeled MG cart with four horses).

[tiger1981]

Mate,

My details are;

7th Div -Bulair 1915 Gallipoli-Suvla to Caucasus 1916 to Gaza 1917 Palestine 1918 destroyed Meggido 1918
3rd Corps -1914 &1915 15th Corps- Gallipoli 1915 to 3rd Corps- Feb 1916 Caucasus to 22nd Corps- 1917/18 Gaza

Commanders (all dates unknown)
Col Ahmet Remzi Bey (Alcitepe) 1915 - Col Halil Bey (Kut) - Col Kazim Bey (Dirik) - LtCol Nasuhi Bey

CofS
Maj Sukru Naili 4-15 to Capt Semseddin Tahir Bey (Taner) 9-15 to Maj Fikri Bey 10-17

1-3/19th Regt - 19th MG Co
1-3/20th Regt
1-3/21st Regt- 21st MG Co

19th - LtCol Sabri 1915 to LtCol Irfan 9-15
20th - Maj Mehmet Halit Bey 4-15 WIA 9-8-15 DoW 11-8-15 to LtCol Ali Bey
21st - LtCol Halil Bey 4-15 to LtCol Yusuf Ziya WIA 9-8-15 DoW 11-8-15 to Maj Ahmet Zeki (Soydemir) 1bn - Capt Hasan & 3Co/1Bn Lt Zeki Rasit KIA 6-4-15 2bn - Ahmet Muhtar 3bn- Capt Ahmet Niyazi

Aug 1915 - 19th Regt att 5th Div & 33rd Regt att 8-15 to Dec 1917 - 134th Regt replaced 19th Regt 1917'18 - 3/21st Regt to Hejez

Artillery

7th Artillery Regt - LtCol Salih Ulvi

1/7th Baty (4 x 7.5cm L/30 Krupp) (all best guess)
2/7th Baty (4 x 7.5cm L/30 Krupp)
3/7th Baty (4 x 7.5cm L/30 Krupp)
4/7th Baty (4 x 7.5cm L/30 Krupp)
2x Mountain Btys each (6 x 75mm mountain Howitzers)

Jan 1917 - 13th Artillery Regt 6xbty's to Dec 1917 - 1M/14th FA Bty 1/13th FA Bty

Suport units

2nd Sqn 4th Cav Regt -
7th Field Hosp -
7th Sig sect

Cheers

S.B

What is meaning?
att=attached?

[stevebecker]

Mate,

Yes when the Div arrived on the Anzac/Suvla Front the 19th Regt was detattched to the 5th Div and the 33rd Regt (11th Div) replaced it.

These regts were involved in fighting around Hill 60 (20th, 21st and 33rd Regts) against the British and aussie forces August 1915.

A number of Turkish Div's were split up on the Gallipoli front during the fighting there.

After that fighting they would have returned (reformed) by Jan 1916?

Cheers

S,B

[tiger1981]

Mate,

Yes when the Div arrived on the Anzac/Suvla Front the 19th Regt was detattched to the 5th Div and the 33rd Regt (11th Div) replaced it.

These regts were involved in fighting around Hill 60 (20th, 21st and 33rd Regts) against the British and Aussie forces August 1915.

A number of Turkish Div's were split up on the Gallipoli front during the fighting there.

After that fighting they would have returned (reformed) by Jan 1916?

Cheers

S,B

5th Div was in 2Corps.
Remind me, where 5th Div frighted during Gallipoli Campaign? which front?
Thanks in advance.

[stevebecker]

Mate,

During the fighting in Aug 1915 the 5th Div along with the 7th Div and others (4th Div 6th Div 8th Div 9th Div and 12th Div) were used in fighting along the Suvla Front called the second Anafarta at Scimitar Hill and Hill 60.

While the map I have does not show the 5th Div, it does show the 7th Div with the 20th 21st and 33rd Regts around the Bomba Tepe area (hill 60).

Erickson shows this Div (5th Div) on the Anafarta front with the 1st Regt, 19th Regt, 127th Regt, 1Bn/17th Regt and 1Bn 39th Regt late Aug 1915.

As stated I could not find this Div on the maps I have?

Cheers

S.B

[tiger1981]

Commanders (all dates unknown)
LtCol Nasuhi Bey

By the way , Nasuhi Bey its commander during Battle of Megiddo was an Arab officer as i read.

After reading about this i was able to know who is Nasuhi Bey.

Nasuhi al-Bukhari (1881 – 1 July 1961) was a Syrian politician and served as Prime Minister of Syria between 5 April 1939 – 8 July 1939.

It is interesting that his brother Jalal al-Bukhari was Arab nationalist, and Djemal Pasha sentenced to hang with other Arab nationalists for Communicating with allies, and they were hanged in 6-5-1916.

Nasuhi al-Bukhari in 1943

[stevebecker]

Tiger,

Thanks mate very interesting.

By the way my research found the 5th Div, it replaced the 16th Div in the trenches on the Gaba Tepe area on the Anzac Front. I found two Regts of the 5th Div there in Aug, they were the 13th Regt and the 15th Regt. No luck with the 14th Regt as yet so I am unsure where it was sent, but the Turks had a habit of splitting Regts from Div's on this front.

Cheers

S.B

[tiger1981]

Tiger,

Thanks mate very interesting.

By the way my research found the 5th Div, it replaced the 16th Div in the trenches on the Gaba Tepe area on the Anzac Front. I found two Regts of the 5th Div there in Aug, they were the 13th Regt and the 15th Regt. No luck with the 14th Regt as yet so I am unsure where it was sent, but the Turks had a habit of splitting Regts from Div's on this front.

Cheers

S.B

Thank you very mach my friend stevebecker.
Very important information.

I want to ask: did any Regt of 7Div engage in Third Battle of Krithia?
As i know Regts of 7Div suffered heavy loses in First and Second Battles of Krithia and in the Night Offensives (May 1 to 4, 1915).
Did engage or they were in reserve?

[stevebecker]

Mate,

Yes Erickson shows the 7th Div in the Order of battle for the 3rd Krithia 4/6 June 1915, with the 2nd, 9th Div's (Southern Group under Col Webber) .

He mentions that four Bn's of the 7th Div were used in Close Reserve with 15th Div, but makes no mention of their being used in the fighting?

He also does not say of what Regt's these four Bn's belong to?

I did notice that an officer of the 1Bn/21st Regt was killed on the 4th June 1915, but where he was killed is unknown?

I also notice he shows the 7th Div as part of the 1st Kereves Dere attacks 21/22 June 1915 with the 2nd Div, 11th Div, 12th Div and 15th Div.

He also shows it with the forces in the Gully Ravine attack 5 July 1915 and the 2nd Kereves Dere attack 12/13 July 1915 before going into reserve at Sarvos Bay 30 July 1915.

For there it was ready to react to the Allied August offensive and Suvla Landings in Aug 1915.

Sorry

Cheers

S.B

[tiger1981]

Never mind my friend

Mate,

Yes Erickson shows the 7th Div in the Order of battle for the 3rd Krithia 4/6 June 1915, with the 2nd, 9th Div's (Southern Group under Col Webber) .

He mentions that four Bn's of the 7th Div were used in Close Reserve with 15th Div, but makes no mention of their being used in the fighting?

He also does not say of what Regt's these four Bn's belong to?

I did notice that an officer of the 1Bn/21st Regt was killed on the 4th June 1915, but where he was killed is unknown?

I also notice he shows the 7th Div as part of the 1st Kereves Dere attacks 21/22 June 1915 with the 2nd Div, 11th Div, 12th Div and 15th Div.

He also shows it with the forces in the Gully Ravine attack 5 July 1915 and the 2nd Kereves Dere attack 12/13 July 1915 before going into reserve at Sarvos Bay 30 July 1915.

For there it was ready to react to the Allied August offensive and Suvla Landings in Aug 1915.

Sorry

Cheers

S.B

Thank you very mach for information.

[maxnechitaylov]

Whether someone has this book?

Marcel Roubiçek, Early Modern Arab Armies, Jerusalem 1977.

[maxnechitaylov]

http://avxhome.se/ebooks/history_milita ... -2015.html

Maslovsky's re-edition