Hermann Müller-John & Musikkorps der Leibstandarte-SS "Adolf Hitler"

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 11 Nov 2009, 11:31

Hello, everyone

Does anyone know the name of this SS-Oberscharführer conducting the LSSAH band - and also the year when the photo was taken? Maybe 1940?

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Post by pavel michalek » 11 Nov 2009, 17:05

Ivan Ž. wrote:Maybe 1940?
I think you´re right. His garrison cap is an old SS-VT type and I think he has bevelled old Prussian style lower pockets.


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Post by Ivan Ž. » 21 Nov 2009, 01:37

pavel michalek wrote:I think you´re right. His garrison cap is an old SS-VT type and I think he has bevelled old Prussian style lower pockets.
Thank you for the fast reply Pavel.

Has anyone found a possible name of this NCO maybe? I know simple NCOs are not as known as many SS officers today, but he is a bandleader in a probably most researched SS unit, so I'm hoping his name might have been mentioned somewhere (but I'm referring only to reliable documents)...

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Post by Auceps » 27 Dec 2009, 01:53

Hello everyone!

Excuse me, but does anyone have any more pictures of Leibstandarte-SS Musikkorps, escpecially in their black uniform? :) :)

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Post by Dieter33 » 27 Dec 2009, 11:42

Auceps wrote: Excuse me, but does anyone have any more pictures of Leibstandarte-SS Musikkorps, escpecially in their black uniform?
A little bit tiny ...
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Post by Ivan Ž. » 28 Dec 2009, 10:07

The above photo was copied from Bunge's book "Musik in der Waffen-SS". You can find a couple more interesting MK LSSAH pics in the same book.

Some more photos in black uniforms, only tankmen's this time ;) Charleroi, April 1944.

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Post by Auceps » 28 Dec 2009, 17:47

Thank you very much, Dieter and Ivan! :) :) That's really interesting! :) :) :wink:

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Post by Marcus » 10 Aug 2011, 12:14

Several posts dealing with war crimes were split off into a new thread entitled "Musikkorps Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler in Poland".

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Post by AlifRafikKhan » 11 Oct 2012, 01:38

A cropped picture of Hermann Müller-John leading his band at Nürnberg Rally on 5 September 1938...
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Post by Ste » 01 Feb 2013, 15:44

I have a question concerning the role of the Musikkorps:
Andy H wrote:most armies Music sections actually become the stretcher bearers and ancillary medics
Is that true?

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Post by GregSingh » 26 Feb 2013, 07:29

I am not sure about LSSAH Musikzug in particular, but in some KStN’s I saw a note (zugl. Hilfskrankenträgerstaffel).
So you might be right...

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Post by Andrey » 01 Dec 2013, 20:02

Hermann Müller-John and his orchestra "full glory" photo (with little escort). :wink:
Place: Berlin.
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Post by Ivan Ž. » 01 Dec 2013, 23:06

A great photo, Andrey, thanks very much for sharing! The date is 1 May 1938.

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Post by seaburn » 25 Mar 2014, 15:51

The murder of 50 Jews in Poland in 1939 by the band master of the LSSAH Müller-John is detailed in Rupert Butler’s book (SS-Leibstandarte: The History of the First SS Division 1933-45, page 50). Butler states that Müller-John was reprieved from punishment on the orders of Adolf Hitler. Butler also states that Müller-John committed suicide with his family in the last days of the war.

In 1944 a member of the LSSAH (Jakob Hanreich) was captured in Normandy, he was asked about war crimes of the LSSAH. Hanreich related: ‘Between 20th and 25th of September 39, at least 50 Jews were murdered by the Music Pl of the L.S. in the area of Burzeum, about 3 kms west of Warsaw. The order for the atrocity was given by the then Obermusikmeister of the music Pl, Müller-John. Those to be murdered had to dig their graves first, were then put in front of it and shot……’.(TS26/856 page 231).

This was also confirmed by a member of the LSSAH (Otto Sierk) to his interrogators in Nov 44. He stated that Müller-John was 'acquitted by order of the then SS-Ogruf. Sepp Dietrich' (WO208/3650).

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Post by Maikowski » 17 Dec 2014, 12:33

Hi all,
I read once somewhere that Hermann Müller-John would have married a certain Frau John and he would have affixed her name to his. Whether this is true or not, I do not know. And if it is the case, had she British or American origins ? Maybe someone can confirm ?
Nevertheless, I have always been wondering what the correct pronunciation for his name should be. I mean how did German people pronounce his name at the time ? Should it be the “german” pronunciation [mylǝrjo:n] or the « english » pronunciation [mylǝrdȝɔn] ?
Maiko

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