Italy and paratroopers of Div. H. Göring

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Post by RichTO90 » 02 Apr 2008, 16:47

Peter H wrote:No HG Division members wore Fallschirmjager helmets in Italy. FJR 5 was destroyed in Tunisia.

The reconsituted HG had ample manpower to reform. When it was in Belgium in late 1942 it had 30,000 or so men on its books. Those lost in Africa were soon replaced.
Sorry Peter, but I don't think that is correct? See my other post regarding HG strength as of 1 September 1943, a shortfall of 7,046 is not an indicator that there was "ample manpower" for the division? The Soll/Fehl/Ist for the division during this period is interesting (note that these strengths include the attached Heer and Luftwaffe units).

8 Aug 43= 17,147/3,429/13,718
1 Sep 43= 22,926/7,046/15,880 (received 1,504 repl. and 270 RTD 1-31 Aug)
1 Oct 43= 20,866/5,184/15,682 (received 803 repl. and 307 RTD 1-30 Sep)
1 Nov 43= 21,077/6,157/14,920 (received 711 repl. and 495 RTD 1-31 Oct)
1 Dec 43= 18,659/1,307/17,352 (received 3,787 repl. and 687 RTD 1-30 Nov)

I don't have the 1 January 44 Meldung, but on 13 January 44 the division reported that it still had a Fehl of 1,196, had 4,005 men on leave (!), and had received 204 replacements (I have two other replacement reports for December, one on the 1st with 255 men and one on the 20th with 180 men). On 20 January the Fehl was reported as 1,150 with 3,817 men still on leave.

Even given the casualties they were suffering, I don't think that a month to month shortfall average of 4,624.6 is indicative that there was ample manpower to reconsitute the division?

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Re: Italy and H. Göring Div. paratroopers

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Post by Alain Verwicht » 02 Apr 2008, 20:32

Hello
Fallschirmjäger or HG Grenadiere ? ( Fallschirm unit of course... )
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Post by Peter H » 03 Apr 2008, 04:54

Thanks Rich,the true position on manpower is appreciated.Obviously some references(as is common) do not have their facts right.Its good to clarify the situation as was.

Peter

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Post by Peter H » 03 Apr 2008, 05:04

Thanks Alain.

Great photo.I've seem it mentioned elsewhere that a lot of re-enactors photos are passed off as originals but the French ECPA is said to contain many first class photos of the Germans in France in 1944.

Peter

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Post by Alain Verwicht » 03 Apr 2008, 06:22

Hello Peter
I search and buy my documentation in Germany ( Bundesarchiv ) and I have few pics of ECPAD ( about 2000, 2500... )
This Fallschirm's pic was taken in Italy and the reportage is superb ! :?
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Post by Peter H » 03 Apr 2008, 07:34

Yes,superb!

Thankyou.

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Re: Italy and H. Göring Div. paratroopers

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Post by RichTO90 » 03 Apr 2008, 15:58

Peter H wrote:Thanks Rich,the true position on manpower is appreciated.Obviously some references(as is common) do not have their facts right.Its good to clarify the situation as was.

Peter
You're welcome Peter.

I was amazed actually when I first got into the Italian divisions a few years ago at just how bad a shape ome of them were in, especially HG and 1. FJD. And for those figures for HG you have to keep in mind that a large fraction of the Soll and Ist that was given was for the attached units, such as Pz.-Gren.-Rgt. 115, Bttl. Reggio, and I./49 Flak. Between them in early September they had an Ist of (O/B/U/M) 97/4/853/3,506! That 4,460 men constituted about 28 percent of the strength of the division on 1 September.

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Post by Fallschirmjäger » 04 Apr 2008, 10:38

Alain im not seeing that picture anymore?.

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Post by Jeremiah29 » 05 Apr 2008, 13:16

Hi all !..
From Culver & Murphy in "Panzer Colors" : SdKfz 251 probably of Panzer Division HG...
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Post by Fallschirmjäger » 08 Apr 2008, 08:10

I see FJ helmets thought too,either FJ working with the Div HG or those members,forget when that where added to them,like in tunisia,but italy too right?.

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Post by CHARLEMAGNE 4 » 22 Nov 2014, 09:39

Panzer-Division Hermann Göring which used Stug III F/F8/....Italy

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Post by CHARLEMAGNE 4 » 25 Nov 2014, 10:45

Stug. III Ausf. F of ''Hermann Göring''.
Sicily July 1943.
FROM : http://mejoresfotos2gm.blogspot.gr/2013 ... chive.html


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Re: Italy and H. Göring Div. paratroopers

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Post by Tadportly1 » 27 Jan 2015, 20:13

does anyone have any more pictures?

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Post by CHARLEMAGNE 4 » 03 Feb 2015, 10:15

Panzer IV of Fallschirm Panzer Division 1 "Hermann Göring" in Italy 1944.

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Post by James30 » 06 May 2015, 20:05

I'd be interested in knowing more about (4./Fallschirmjäger-Rgt. 1) if anyone knows anything?
My grandad served in a Luftwaffe Signals regiment for the majority of the war in LN 200, but in mid to late November 1944 he was sent to Bologna and then Vigonza where it states in his dairy he was with (Granatwerfer+SMG.Lehrgang Pionka - Mellaredo HPTM.Platte) for a month until 22.12.1944
I am not sure if that was a regiment of some description, or what that is? But it just says it.
After which from the 24th of December 1944 it states he was with (4./Fallschirmjäger-Rgt. 1) which I think he stayed in until his capture in late April 1945.
Is it possible my grandad saw action during those months of the war leading up to his capture?
By the way I'm very new to this site and not very clued up on technical military abbreviations etc but I'll try my best ☺

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