Seizing Rome 1943

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Re: Seizing Rome 1943

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Post by kurtmayer » 22 Sep 2010, 17:14

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Hi all forum members ,
this is the story of the cpluoru pic...more or less:
The photos show one of the most 'dramatic so-called
"Battle of the Hillock" which occurred on the morning of September 9
1943.

After a truce agreed locally with the Italians soldiers, the
German paratroopers took advantage to gain favorable positions
to move towards the center of the city of Rome, finding the open
and beyond the means of Genoa Cavalry soldiers with the blinds AB41.

These react and launched a counterattack with two armored cars
which were centered and set on fire by anti-tank stationed in
training Laurentina triangle on the road, just behind a
curva.

In the first picture you see in the foreground a dead
tank crewman burn out of the picture blindo.nelle subsequent PK and
his assistant seek shelter from the heat response of Italian soldiers and
... fleeing the fire came from the back of the building
Tannery and Oven Roscioni .. (you see in the background
left, still present) onto another picture we see an FJ
wounded in the left leg lying on the ground ... I know a picture with a
sidecar with three injured down the road towards
otherwise.
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Re: Seizing Rome 1943

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Post by Fallschirmjäger » 05 Apr 2012, 13:02

Way late on this,but then not been on the boards to regular lately.Like i wanted to be here,and mostly this section too,have to check when last posted a lot.Anyway seen some of these pictures or others for this battle,but never in colour though,and see cameraman,that colour i wonder or black and white?.


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Re: Seizing Rome 1943

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Post by tigre » 01 Jun 2012, 22:27

Hello to all :D; a little complement on this subject................

Nach Rom hinein - 10 Sep 1943.

In the evening on September 7, 1943 took place the meeting of General Maxwell Taylor and USAF Col Gardiner with representatives of the Italian High Command to discuss details of the operation "Giant 2" which provided for the use of the 82nd Airborne Division after the announcement of the armistice, but General Carboni who was Commander of the Corpo d'Armata Motocorazzato, did not ensure the availability of the Rome airport and gave a fairly critical framework of the situation. The operation was canceled.

On September 8, 1943 in the evening, General Eisenhower disgusted with the attitude of the Italians decided to give notice about the terms of the armistice between the Allies and Italy. General Badoglio confirmed the existence of the armistice.

Sources: Private Sales List-Fallschirmjaeger Photo Album, Kreta Cufftitle & Award Document Group - 1. Fallschirmjaeger Div.
Deutsche Fallschirmjäger im Zweiten Weltkrieg. Volkmar Kühn.

Cheers. Raúl M 8).
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Schokacola verteilt Der Spiess. The Spiess distributing schokacola in the assembly area ............
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Re: Seizing Rome 1943

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Post by tigre » 08 Jun 2012, 23:57

Hello to all :D; more follows................

Nach Rom hinein - 10 Sep 1943.

The 2 FJD was alarmed on September 8, 1943, Maj. Mors had heard at 20:00 hours the capitulation of Italy through the American station of Palermo, with that news Feldmarschall Kesselring gave freedom of action to the Fallschirmkorps XI and from Frascati was issued the code word "Flohzirkus" (Flea Circus) . That night the King, the government and top military leaders moved to Pescara. The divisions Ariete II, Centauro II, and Piave belonging to the Corpo d'Armata Motocorazzato were sent to Tivoli where they stayed without intervening.

At dawn on September 10, 1943 a battle group of the 2 FJD commanded by Maj v. der Heydte began moving with the task of entering Rome and break the resistance of the Italian troops in the city.

Sources: Private Sales List-Fallschirmjaeger Photo Album, Kreta Cufftitle & Award Document Group - 1. Fallschirmjaeger Div.
Deutsche Fallschirmjäger im Zweiten Weltkrieg. Volkmar Kühn.

Cheers. Raúl M 8-).
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Moving towards Rome..........................
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Re: Seizing Rome 1943

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Post by tigre » 16 Jun 2012, 00:10

Hello to all :D; more follows................

Nach Rom hinein - 10 Sep 1943.

Upon reaching the southwestern edge of the city, the paratroopers received fire from the Division Grenadiers of Sardinia. The III. / FJR 6 of Maj. Pelz required fire support from the 4. / Fsch Art Rgt 2 of Hauptmann Milch. Shortly afterwards arrived at the place Maj. v. der Heydte who led the attack on his vehicle, while two light howitzers of 105 mm supported it unleashing direct fire from about 200 meters.

Sources: Private Sales List-Fallschirmjaeger Photo Album, Kreta Cufftitle & Award Document Group - 1. Fallschirmjaeger Div.
Deutsche Fallschirmjäger im Zweiten Weltkrieg. Volkmar Kühn.

Cheers. Raúl M 8-).
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Fire position before Rome.........................
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Re: Seizing Rome 1943

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Post by tigre » 23 Jun 2012, 01:11

Hello to all :D; the end................

Nach Rom hinein - 10 Sep 1943.

After reaching the resistance line of the radio station of Rome, von der Heydte ordered that Hauptmann Milch penetrate further into the city. Upon reaching the obelisk at Via Ostiense the paratroopers found several armored vehicles which opened fire on the column, but were repulsed by the artillery battery. For September 11, 1943 the remnants of Italian troops had laid down their arms.

Sources: Private Sales List-Fallschirmjaeger Photo Album, Kreta Cufftitle & Award Document Group - 1. Fallschirmjaeger Div.
Deutsche Fallschirmjäger im Zweiten Weltkrieg. Volkmar Kühn.

It's all folks. Cheers. Raúl M 8-).
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Any idea about the number of casualties suffered by the Germans paratroopers? Thank you.
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Re: Seizing Rome 1943

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Post by raspagliosi » 19 Sep 2012, 11:03

Hi to all,
I'm too researching a bit military operations in Rome, September 1943.
Actually I'm searching for a serius Gliederung for 2.FJ.Div. during this timeline.
Also, has anyone identified the Sd.Kfz.222 from the first page of this topic? Does it belong to 2.FJ.Div. or not?

I posted the same question in Missing Lynx forum

http://www.network54.com/Forum/47207/me ... mber+1943-

but I got no anwer up to date.

If anyone is interested I got a really authoritative answer from Martin Block regarding the assence of Sd.Kfz.131 MarderII with

http://www.network54.com/Forum/47207/me ... mber+1943-

a fact I didn't know for certain up to now.

Cheers

Mario

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Post by grassi » 27 Apr 2014, 21:08

c.g. wrote:The picture with the Marder seems to belong to a group of images taken in Barletta (Apulia) on Sep 12 1943. In this operation Fallschirm-Panzerjäger-Abteilung 1 of 11st FJD was involved as part of Kampfgruppe Gröschke (II./Fallschirmjäger-Regiment 1) .
My 2 cents,
CG
Sorry if this is off topic:

Is there more information about Fallschirmjäger in Barletta und Trani (Apulia) on Sept 18th 1943? Oberleutnant Friedrich Kurtz is supposed to have saved 50 Italian hostage from execution (="Wunder von Trani").
Das Wunder von Trani [Bearbeiten]
Ein in Trani aufgestelltes Denkmal mit den Namen von 50 jungen Männern des Ortes und dem eines deutschen Offiziers erinnert an den Zweiten Weltkrieg und speziell an den 18. September 1943. Damals, wenige Tage nach dem Seitenwechsel Italiens zu den Alliierten wurden fünf deutsche Soldaten aus dem Hinterhalt erschossen.
Im Dokumentarfilm Das Wunder von Trani (WDR, 2012) wird von den drei überlebenden Zeitzeugen aus Trani ausdrücklich darauf hingewiesen, dass einige englische und kanadische Soldaten am Friedhof von Trani einen Hinterhalt gelegt und die sich auf dem Rückweg vom Bierholen in Trani ins benachbarte Barletta befindlichen fünf deutschen Soldaten dort hinterrücks erschossen hatten. Genaues konnte offenbar jedoch nicht ermittelt werden und so verfügte die regionale Wehrmachtführung in Annahme italienischer Partisanen als Täter die Erschießung von zehn italienischen Zivilisten für jeden getöteten Soldaten.
Auf dem Marktplatz von Trani wurden am 18. September 1943 50 Männer zusammen getrieben, die dann auf ihre Erschießung warteten. Die Anspannung aller Beteiligten wurde noch durch die Flucht einer Geisel gesteigert. Nach Intervention des Bürgermeisters von Trani, der ein Dekret verlas, das jeglichen Angriff auf die – bis vor wenigen Tagen „befreundeten“ – deutschen Besatzer verbot und Fürsprache durch den Bischof verhandelte der deutsche Oberleutnant Friedrich Kurtz mit der Zivilverwaltung und den Soldaten des Erschießungskommandos. Als Ergebnis der Verhandlungen wurden die Geiseln frei gelassen und die Erschießung unterblieb. Friedrich Kurtz wurde an die Ostfront versetzt, wo er sich ebenfalls Erschießungskommandos widersetzte. Er lebte bis zu seinem Tod 1993 in der Pfalz.[2]
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trani


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Fallschirm-Panzer-Jäger-Abteilung 1 (Fsch.Pz.Jäg.Abt.1)
Offizierstellenbesetzung 07.1940 - 05.1941

Stab (Stab./Fsch.Pz.Jäg.Abt.1)
Kommandeur Hauptmann Alf Krüger 07.1940 – 08.1940
Kommandeur Hauptmann/Major August Schmitz 08.1940 – 04.1943

Adjutant Leutnant Wurzer 07.1940 – ?
- - - - - - - Leutnant Buschmann ? – 05.1941
Nachrichten-Offizier Leutnant Becker 07.1940 - ?(Freitod)
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Leutnant Feyerabend ? – 05.1941
Hauptmann beim Stabe Oberleutnant Strotmann 07.1940 – ?
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Leutnant Kurtz ? – 05.1941
http://gliederungundstellenbesetzung.bl ... ung-1.html
Il 18 settembre 1943 a Trani: fatti e testimonianze
Tra il mito del tedesco buono e l'eroismo dell'Arcivescovo
http://www.traniviva.it/storia/scheda/g ... -e-non-50/

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grassi

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Re: Seizing Rome 1943

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Post by Alexderome » 07 Jun 2016, 19:09

Does somebody knows the composition of the 3 KG of 2 FJD ?
-KG Kroh : FRJ .2
-KG von der Heydte : I. and III./FRJ 6 with Fallschirm-Artillerie Rgt 2, Fallschirm Panzerjäger Abteilung 2 and Fallschirm Pionier Bataillon 2
-KG Tannert ? : Tannert commanded III./FRJ 2

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