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Post by USAF1986 » 12 Sep 2007, 16:31

Bernd,

6. SS-Gebirgs-Division "Nord"

Kaiser – The honor title “RH” is not listed in Scheibert or Thomas & Wegmann. This is the case with many award holders in the books. I recommend leaving Kaiser as listed.

Spanka – SS-Inf.Rgt. 9 (mot). Good point on the transfer of the regiment – I’m not certain if his award was for actions with “Nord”, but its interesting to note that he is not listed in the DKiG supplement in Thomas & Wegmann. Of interest, Spanka received the Finnish Order of the Cross of Liberty, 3rd Class with Swords on 19.12.1941.

Bucher – Sill not an exact date in 2006 edition of Dörr.

Bauer – Although he is not listed in Thomas & Wegmann, I agree “Nord” would probably be the better choice with a note explaining the attached status.

7. SS-Gebirgs-Division "Prinz Eugen"

Breimeyer – Still not certain on the spelling of his name (Scheibert: Breimaier; Thomas & Wegmann: Breimeyer); regimental honor title not listed in Scheibert or Thomas & Wegmann. EDIT: I reviewed Prinz Eugen: The History of the 7th SS Mountain Division "Prinz Egen" by Otto Kumm - his name is spelled Breimaier throughout this source. I think this is the correct spelling. Perhaps someone on the SS board can confirm.

13. Waffen-Gebirgs-Division "Handschar"

König – Personally I’d go with 7. Kompanie in Thomas & Wegmann. Here’s his entry from Die Ritterkreuzträger der Gebirgstruppe, Band 2: L-Z:

König
Hans
21.11.1922
Wuppertal-Barmen
SS-Obersturmführer
Chef
7. Kompanie
SS-Gebirgs-Jäger-Regiment 28
(697/21) 10.03.1945
13. Waffen-Geb.Div. d. SS / LXVIII. Armee-Korps
2. Panzer-Armee
Heeresgruppe F

Schifferdecker – I think he should be classed as unconfirmed via official sources at present. His entry in George Lepre’s excellent study Himmler’s Bosnian Division: The Waffen-SS Handschar Division, 1943-1945 is footnoted: “Letters to the author from Karl Wambsganss [division adjutant] and Hermann Schifferdecker dated 16 April and 20 June 1992.”

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#1442

Post by USAF1986 » 12 Sep 2007, 17:33

I had another look at the EBS holders of regiments-/divisions-gruppen and found a few that I believe I overlooked:

Army Honor Roll Clasp
Klee, Hans-Edgar, 07.07.1944, Oberleutnant, Div.Gruppe 62 [Korps-Abt. F]
Lang, Fritz, 15.09.1944, Oberst, Korps-Abt. H [I think this should be Joachim-Friedrich Lang. Per Die Generale des Heeres, 1921-1945, Band 7, Lang held this command: 21.07.1944-10.09.1944: Kommandeur der Divisionsgruppe 95, zugleich Kommandeur der Korpsabteilung H.]
Pöhlmann, Otto, 27.09.1944, Leutnant, 2./Div.Gruppe 82 [254. Inf.Div.]
Rühl, Gerhard, 27.06.1944, Hauptmann, 1./Pz.Jäg.Abt. Korps-Abt. F
Stein, Bernd, Unteroffizier, 4./Gren.Rgts.Gruppe 330 [Div.Gruppe 183 / Korps-Abt. C]

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SOURCE: Scheibert.


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#1443

Post by Bernd R » 13 Sep 2007, 12:27

RE : 11. SS-Freiwilligen-Panzergrenadier-Division "Nordland"

Now, we are on it let's do the final review at the same time

@Jordi, Ternedde and Viehmann answered. We were looking for gaps - good timing by Shawn :)

@Shawn, I thought it would be more difficult / complex with "I./Norge" and "I./Danmark" but it isn't.
The only case of an assignment to "Wiking" is Fritz Vogt, OL. No other recipient of the Btls. (1.-4.Kp) awarded in 1945 (with "Wiking"). Interestingly showing a phenomena - subordinated / attached units seem to be taken into consideration for awards to a lesser extent than the origin troops of the headquarter division. Oberst Frhr von Boeselager when commanding Kav.Rgt Mitte was talking about this occassionally - was a bit dissapointed that his riders didn't get the attention while subordinated to several units.

Concerning OOB : looking through the thread integrated to the Divs listing it should be clear that both, "I./Norge" and "I./Danmark" have been transfered to "Wiking" (Hungary) in late dec 1944.
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... nd&start=0 (see Marc's posts esp.)
Obviously it seems to be not entirely clear for "I./Danmark" (confirmed for Feb 1945)

Available to me is a book manuscript of a very reliable member of this very forum, stating :
OOB of Armeegruppe "Balck" , 6. January 1945
...
IV. SS-Panzerkorps (with 5. SS-Pz.Div "Wiking")
SS-Pz.Gren.Btls I./23 "Norge" and I./24 "Danmark" (it is the same for 25./26. January ; also then : SS-Btl "Räntgen")
I would go with that. Confirmation or negotiation is welcome.

So, as said in regard to our recipients classification matter there should be no question open.

I looked for the following recipient and he is listed now on [page 80] with AOK 6 like quoted below :
Unofficial / Unconfirmed
Schweitzer, Willi, 24.04.1945, SS-Sturmbannführer, Kdr. Kgr. Schweitzer (SS-Pz.Gren.Ausb.- u. Ers.Btl. 11 Graz)
fights around RECHNITZ / Burgenland, Austria, 01.-06.04.1945 : http://members.aon.at/dbundsch/kaempfeoberwart.html
Kampfgruppe Schweitzer / Divisionsgruppe (Kgr) Krause / AOK 6 [Genlt Walther Krause, Korück 593]
[no proof in Bundesarchiv ; according to Fellgiebel awarded by SS-Brig.Fhr Mohnke at the Reichskanzlei Bunker - "Nordland" troops there but not Schweizer with the "Nordland" replacement unit !, see above ; award date according to Krätschmer : "14.04.1945" ; insight to the files of the OdR Ordenskommission what eventually could have been of help for clearing the case wasn't allowed to author V.S. due to Bundesarchivgesetz restrictions]
sources : Scherzer, "RKT", 1st ed. ; given link ; concerning Genlt Krause : Tessin , Mike's ABR
(no comment to the Mohnke nonsense by Fellgiebel btw) ; (of note : report on Schweitzer within the AHF thread)

A few points I noticed as following in the standard review style : the entry: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 042#968042
Bockelburg von, Helmut, 19.18.1944, SS-Ostubaf., 11. SS-Frw.Pz.Gren.Div. “Nordland”
DKiG ; name ? "Bockelberg" ?
Langendorg, Georg, 30.03.1945, SS-Ostuf., 5./SS-Pz.Aufkl.Abt. 11
Loderhose, Aug.Georg, 20.01.1945, SS-Hstuf., SS-Pz.Art.Rgt. 11
DKiG ; names ? "Langendorf" ? ; Loderhose, "August" ?
Sütbben, Ernst-Rich., 27.10.1944, SS-Ostuf., 3./SS-Pz.Abt. 11
DKiG ; name ? "Stübben, Ernst-Richard" ?
Garber, Erich, 25.03.1945, SS-Ustuf., 3./Ernst Nord
EBS ; hm, we have to look for him

RE : Btl. z.b.V. "Nordland" should be ok (?) ; is it (ex) Felders.Btl perhaps ?

of note : Willi Hund, although had 64 Nahkampftage didn't receive the NKiG (confirmed via manuscript Miller, too)

There is an awards list within the AHF thread where I found the names. What about those and their possible "Wiking" connection ??
Richard Braunstein DKiG Stb/HvS Ustuf. 27.10.44
Paul Falke DKiG II./Pz.Rgt Ostuf. 01.11.43
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Post by Bernd R » 13 Sep 2007, 12:44

Shawn, great and interesting contributions recently :D

As we are on several "fronts" now we should take the time to look for clearing of the issues and we have to.
Very interesting those five Romanian awards ! First quick shot : does anyone know these men eventually had Romanian wives ?

RE : Rgt/Div.Grp EBS holders added
ABR entry for Genmaj Joachim-Friedrich Lang (agree, has to be him) : 30.06.-10.09.1944 Kdr Korps-Abt H and Div.Grp 95

RE : while on the Krim-Btl matter I stumbled over two older entries (DKiG) ; now added to [page 80] :
Burggraf, Josef, 16.10.1944, Oblt., d.R., Aserbeidsch.Legion/Frw.Stamm-Rgt. 2 / Freiwilligen-Stamm-Division / OB West
Gloger, Dr. Kurt, 21.03.1943, Major, Aserbeidsch.Inf.Btl. 804 / AOK 17 [Krim]

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Post by Bernd R » 13 Sep 2007, 13:08

"Gebirgs" review is ongoing ; will come back with it / open points

Based on your Polizei list, Shawn, let's have a Polizei award holders / Polizei units section on [page 94]
I have added a KC list
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 50#1109550

I finally noticed a "sin of omission" and have compiled KC lists for the VGDs/Gren.Divs. All merged now on [page 52] (542. and 560. shifted) :
Volks-Grenadier-Divisionen in the 500 series http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 20#1058420
Obschil, Alois 28.03.1945 SS-Untersturmführer Führer 2./Gren.Rgt 1126 / 559. VGD
question / possible addition : NKiG, 00.03.1945 -> unit ?

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Post by USAF1986 » 13 Sep 2007, 16:12

Here is a German Cross in Gold recipient I overlooked (he is not in Scheibert) for the 10. SS-Panzer-Division “Frundsberg”:

Olsson, Sven-Erik, 20.04.1945, SS-Oberscharführer, 2./SS-Pz.Nachr.Abt. 10

I recalled him from a discussion on AHF regarding DKiG to non-Germans. Here is part of the relevant discussion from Martin Månsson:
SS-Oscha. Sven-Erik Olsson served as radiooperator for the divisional commander of 10. SS-Panzer-Division "Frundsberg", SS-Brigadeführer Heinz Harmel. The proposal document for Olssons DKiG is missing by the OKW listnings but his award has been confirmed by Harmel personally as it was Harmel who proposed Olsson for the DKiG.
Olsson died on March 7, 1985 in Arosa, Switzerland.

Olsson was the only Swede who won the DKiG, in fact, only Olsson and SS-Hstuf. Hans-Gösta Pehrsson were the high decorated Swedes who served in the Waffen-SS. Pehrsson won the Ehrenblattspange des Deutschen Heeres on December 25, 1944. Veterans I've spoken to have told that it was just a matter of time before Pehrsson would be proposed for the Knight's Cross. However, this are just rumours and there exist no documents or papers that can verify this story as far as I know.
SS-Oberscharführer Sven-Erik Olsson (Sweden, born in Pernu Estonia) as commander of the divisional commanding SPW of the 2./SS-Panzer-Nachrichten-Abteilung 10 "Frundsberg" (Apr. 20, 1945).
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Post by USAF1986 » 13 Sep 2007, 16:36

Bernd,

Great outline describing the attachment of the “Nordland” units!

Bockelburg von – Good catch! It should read Bockelberg von. BTW, I think he was Ia of the division.

I overlooked this DKiG holder for “Nordland:

Braunstein, Richard, 27.10.1944, SS-Ustuf., Stb.Kp./SS-Pz.Abt. 11

This unit looks like a typo (Pz.Rgt. 11 in 1943?):

Falke, Paul, 01.11.1943, SS-Hstuf., II./SS-Pz.Rgt. 11

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Post by USAF1986 » 13 Sep 2007, 17:31

Here is a puzzler: What higher headquarters was Infanterie-Regiment 612 subordinated to?

German Cross in Gold
Eberlein Ritter von, Dr. August, 01.07.1942, Oberstleutnant, II./Inf.Rgt. 612

Romanian Order of Michael the Brave, 3rd Class (Orden “Michael der Tapfere” III. Klasse)
Eberlein Ritter von, Dr. August, Königlichen Dekrets Nr. 2029 / 16.07.1942, Oberstleutnant, Kdr. Inf.Rgt. 612

EDIT: Can anyone confirm if this is the same August Ritter von Eberlein who received the Knight’s Cross of the Bavarian Military Max Joseph Order as a Hauptmann d.R. for actions 26.08.1914 at Bertrimoutier? Here is a scan of his citation from Bayerns Goldenes Ehrenbuch. Den Inhaber der höchsten bayerischen Kriegsauszeichnungen aus dem Weltkrieg 1914/1918 (Bayerisches Kriegsarchiv, 1928).

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 13 Sep 2007, 17:43

If my interpretation of Tessin is correct: Feldersatzdivision B, Heeresgruppe Süd

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Post by USAF1986 » 13 Sep 2007, 18:10

Unless the unit is a typo, here’s an addition for the 12. Panzer-Division:

Romanian Order of Michael the Brave, 3rd Class (Orden “Michael der Tapfere” III. Klasse)
Roekner, Martin, Königlichen Dekrets Nr. 907 / 31.03.1943, Hptm., Art.Rgt. 2 (mot)

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Post by USAF1986 » 13 Sep 2007, 18:58

I found an addition for the 1. Gebirgs-Division:

Romanian Order of Michael the Brave, 3rd Class (Orden “Michael der Tapfere” III. Klasse)
Dietz, Rudolf, Königlichen Dekrets Nr. 907 / 31.03.1943, Leutnant, Art.Rgt. 79 (mot)

I left the (mot) per Victor’s list.

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Post by copiloto » 13 Sep 2007, 19:28

Hello.
I am not able to find what division these two NKSiG winners were attached:
Gössmann, Franz, 1-2-1945, Oberfeldwebel, 2. / Grenadier- Regiment 199 "List"
Source: http://www.ww2awards.com/person/5267

Kaiser, Andreas, 1-2-1945, Unteroffizier, 8./Grenadier-Regiment 199 "List"
Source: http://www.ww2awards.com/person/8871

I have doubts about 57.Infanterie-Division, Korps-Abteilung G or 299.Infanterie-Division, although I would bet 299.ID for the award date.
What do you think?

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Post by USAF1986 » 13 Sep 2007, 21:01

Here are the two recipients of the Romanian Order of Michael the Brave who received their awards while assigned to Sturmgeschütz-Abteilungen:

Romanian Order of Michael the Brave, 3rd Class (Orden “Michael der Tapfere” III. Klasse)
Buckmann, Dr. Rudolf, Königlichen Dekrets Nr. 2517 / 13.09.1943, Major d.R., Stug.Abt. 408

Romanian Order of Michael the Brave, 3rd Class (Orden “Michael der Tapfere” III. Klasse)
Müller, Alfred, Königlichen Dekrets Nr. 299 / 14.02.1944, Hauptmann, Kdr. Stug.Abt. 191

While I’m familiar with Alfred Müller of Stug.Abt. 191, the first entry presents a problem. Has anyone heard of Stug.Abt. 408 or Major d.R. Dr. Rudolf Buckmann? Perhaps the unit and name are both typos.

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 13 Sep 2007, 21:48

Romanian Order of Michael the Brave, 3rd Class (Orden “Michael der Tapfere” III. Klasse)
Buckmann, Dr. Rudolf, Königlichen Dekrets Nr. 2517 / 13.09.1943, Major d.R., Stug.Abt. 408
In Florian von Aufsess' Stellenbesetzung of the Sturmartillerie I neither found a unit with the number 408 nor a Major with a similar name...

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