Female Pilot in the Luftwaffe

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Re: Female Pilot in the Luftwaffe

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Post by Jiri » 18 Nov 2008, 16:15

FireFoxy wrote:
There were women on both sides germany and britain and Russia that flew ww2 AIRCRAFT During the war but not no women was permitted too offical frontline attack or defence battles. But women did I think the risk there lives by test flying brand new Aircraft and some wowmen lost there lives. I think the wassaps {probelary wrong spelling} had another perpurse but i can't remember.
http://mysite.pratt.edu/~rsilva/sovwomen.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_witches
In the Soviet Union situation was a bit different, but these units contributed just a minor part to overall war effort.

Wassaps - didn't you mean WASPs -Women Airforce Service Pilots?
http://waspmuseum.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_Airf ... f_the_WASP

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Post by Mauser K98k » 22 Nov 2008, 05:25

Benny C. wrote:I think you must be talking about Hanna Reitsch. I'm not sure but as far as I know she never flew combat missions but was a test pilot for the Luftwaffe. She was also involved in testing a manned version of the V-1 flying bomb. She was a very well known figure in Germany at that time.
Hanna Reitsch also made a few test flights in the rocket-powered Me 163 Komet. (and lived!)

She landed a Fieseler Storch in the rubble of downtown Berlin to fly Hitler away from the clutches of the Russians in April '45 while the battle raged only blocks away.

The woman had guts.


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Re: Female Pilot in the Luftwaffe

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Post by Vikki » 22 Nov 2008, 08:38

Mauser K98k wrote: The woman had guts.
She did indeed.

For anyone trying to search to find out more information on her, her name is actually spelled Hanna Reitsch.

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Re: Female Pilot in the Luftwaffe

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Post by Doktor Krollspell » 22 Nov 2008, 10:08

Ladies and Gentlemen!

Worth mentioning is the fact that the only german female pilot that actually "saw combat" was Flugkapitän Melitta Schenk Gräfin von Stauffenberg, who was shot down by an american fighter aircraft on April 8, 1945 while piloting a Bücker Bü 181 from Berlin to southern Germany. She managed to make an emergency landing with her damaged aircraft while wounded but succumbed to her wounds and died a few hours later.

Source: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melitta_Schiller

Another interesting website that in part deals in great detail with female aviators is:

http://www.ctie.monash.edu/hargrave/pioneers.html


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Re: Female Pilot in the Luftwaffe

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Post by Fallschirmjäger » 22 Nov 2008, 10:44

An interesting story of her short life,sounds very brave,and thought the name was conected to Claus Schenk Graf von Stauffenberg.And unfortunate she had to die so close to the end of the war,but had she been not so highly important to the luftwaffe she would have died around the plot time too?.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melitta_Sc ... auffenberg

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Re: Female Pilot in the Luftwaffe

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Post by Stephan » 13 Dec 2008, 11:57

Heimatschuss wrote: I think you're referring to Elli Beinhorn. I've been wondering too why an expert pilot like her wasn't simply conscripted under the emergency service order (Notdienstverordnung) during WWII, especially with regard to the shortage of experienced pilots towards the end of the war. Perhaps the fact that she was the widow of motor racing legend Bernd Rosemeyer played a role and/or she had some benevolent friends in influential positions. Comments from the experts on her life would be highly welcome.

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I have two theories her - which dont contradict each other.

1. We know the Nazi state didnt wanted women in active, warlike "male" positions. There were some women pilots, but they more or less insisted to be active pilots. Thus: The Nazi state didnt either wanted to have dissatisfied citizens. As the steps from deeply dissatisfied to disappointed to oppostional may be short.
Question: Do we know examples of actually constripting women to be pilots?

2. My main theory is she WAS anti-nazi. And the nazi-state didnt liked a well though out arguments. Example: Once a long time ago I heard a radio-programme about a ex-sailor, who defyed the Nazi state on solid, religious grounds. He was of course condemned to death. BUT. They did the outmost to beg him to take his words, his defying, back. They promised they would even drop the charges and let him be free! - Im sure it was not talk of getting him prison or Dachau instead, as this would not be no big deal. No reason either to make a whole radio-program out of it.
Thus. The Nazi-state was afraid of well though out defying of Nazism.
My guess it was such a case; and by some sort of gentlemens agreements, perhaps with the help of friends you Torsten mentions, they let her be, and she didnt openly defyied the nazis.

My guestion is sooner - why didnt she defyed Nazism AFTER the war? My guess she didnt wanted to be unpleasant to her pals and friends, the other women pilots, who did flew for Germany.

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Re: Female Pilot in the Luftwaffe

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Post by JockCampbell41 » 13 Jan 2009, 18:30

Would women like Hanna Reitsch or Melitta Grafin von Stauffenberg have worn a specific Luftwaffe uniform like a Fliegerbluse or something more formal? Would they have worn skirts (they probably would, given the attitude towards women and femininity) or trousers?

Just wondering,
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Re: Female Pilot in the Luftwaffe

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Post by Heimatschuss » 13 Jan 2009, 23:35

Hi Jock,
JockCampbell41 wrote:Would women like Hanna Reitsch or Melitta Grafin von Stauffenberg have worn a specific Luftwaffe uniform like a Fliegerbluse or something more formal? Would they have worn skirts (they probably would, given the attitude towards women and femininity) or trousers?

Just wondering,
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I've never seen photos of Reitsch or Countess Stauffenberg in a uniform. According to Zegenhagen (2007, p.322) no information on the uniforms of female Luftwaffe pilots has surfaced so far.
The only help I can offer you is the photo of Beate Uhse attached (Zegenhagen, 2007, p.321). It was taken in Jüterbog in summer 1944 while she received training on the Me 109. Seems to be a standard two-piece Luftwaffe flight suit without shoulder tabs.

References:
Zegenhagen, Evelyn
>>Schneidige deutsche Mädel<<. Fliegerinnen zwischen 1918 und 1945.
Wallstein Verlag, Göttingen, 2007

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Re: Female Pilot in the Luftwaffe

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Post by Doktor Krollspell » 18 Jan 2009, 01:01

Hello Jock, Torsten et al!

One uniformed female pilot was Sibylle von Jagow of the NSFK. See link for an older thread on her...


Sibylle von Jagow
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http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=99495


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Re: Female Pilot in the Luftwaffe

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Post by JockCampbell41 » 01 Feb 2009, 20:33

Splendid! Many thanks chaps!

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Re: Female Pilot in the Luftwaffe

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Post by FireFoxy » 12 Feb 2009, 01:57

Doktor Krollspell wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen!

Worth mentioning is the fact that the only german female pilot that actually "saw combat" was Flugkapitän Melitta Schenk Gräfin von Stauffenberg, who was shot down by an american fighter aircraft on April 8, 1945 while piloting a Bücker Bü 181 from Berlin to southern Germany. She managed to make an emergency landing with her damaged aircraft while wounded but succumbed to her wounds and died a few hours later.

Source: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melitta_Schiller

Another interesting website that in part deals in great detail with female aviators is:

http://www.ctie.monash.edu/hargrave/pioneers.html


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Hey Doktor.

The second link you provided i can't really find any proof and the first link you provided is all in German. If members can't read it, you're not really getting you're point across at all,with respect for you sir.
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Re: Female Pilot in the Luftwaffe

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Post by FireFoxy » 12 Feb 2009, 02:28

Hanna Reitsch Videos.Female Test Pilot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyfpjimShCc

Also as a bonus included in the video, that Germany was the first country to build and deploy helicopters. I had no idea!
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Re: Female Pilot in the Luftwaffe

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Post by Vikki » 12 Feb 2009, 09:06

FireFoxy wrote: Hey Doktor.

The second link you provided i can't really find any proof and the first link you provided is all in German. If members can't read it, you're not really getting you're point across at all,with respect for you sir.
Hey FireFoxy,

You wrote,
FireFoxy wrote: The second link you provided i can't really find any proof
regarding this part of Dr. Krollspell's post:
Doktor Krollspell wrote:Another interesting website that in part deals in great detail with female aviators is:

http://www.ctie.monash.edu/hargrave/pioneers.html
The Herr Doktor was offering additional, related information for those interested in this thread. He had no need to provide "proof" for the excellent, sourced information he'd posted.


You also wrote:
FireFoxy wrote: ...and the first link you provided is all in German. If members can't read it, you're not really getting you're point across at all,with respect for you sir.
The language of the Forum is english, but Dr. Krollspell was kind enough to give a translated synopsis of the article from german. Further, if one is truly interested in the topic itself, they can do their own work and, by pasting even part of the german title into the english version of Wikipedia, can get no less than six "hits" or pieces of information on the subject.


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Re: Female Pilot in the Luftwaffe

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Post by Marcus » 12 Feb 2009, 13:46

A post by FireFoxy was removed. Vikki or someone else on the staff pointing out the rules of the forum and how things work here is not "picking on" you.

Now get back on topic.

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Re: Female Pilot in the Luftwaffe

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Post by FireFoxy » 17 Feb 2009, 11:48

If any one of you are studing Hanna Reitsch,I thought i would share this great link.I advise you to take a look at this link! .
Most of her ww2 life is mentioned in this link. Happy reading :)

http://www.greyfalcon.us/Hanna%20Reitsch.htm
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