Awardholders / unit

[W.Vermeer]

one of our all-time mysteries ; btw, is it the unit that P/S has also ? If it's a typo we can stop the hunt

I am away from home for a few days, when noone else has looked into this I shall come back on these matters on monday.

[Bernd R]

RE: section [page 20]

I have expanded the listing with all the smaller units (Rgt. , Btl.) which are listed with higher headquarters already. Added the Radfahr-Bataillone and the Schnelle Abteilungen, for example.

RE: section trial units [page 28]

Bigger edit done there. Added the "999" units also.


I have moved the Hochgebirgsjäger-Bataillone to the section on [page 20] .

Bernd

[Bernd R]

RE: Kriegsmarine review

U-181 Pickelmann, Wilhelm 12.03.1943 [per Gericke , ww2.awards] 12.03.1945 per crew list Obermaschinist
here is a date issue

Patzwall/Scherzer too gives the date 12.03.1943

I have crossed out the note and kept listed the date 12.03.1943 for the DKiG as I regard this as the correct and solid one after further re-check.
This thread in the KM forum http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60453 provides photographic evidence of a DKiG award ceremony of U-181 after the 2nd arrival in Singapur in 1945.
http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/german_ ... p/apb2.htm
For Kaiser, Linka and Persch, all with award date 29.03.1945. Pickelmann would have been in this ceremony if his date is indeed 12.03.45 I think. So, should be a typo in the crew list.

DKiG , U-181
Fröhlich, Johannes 15.01.1945 Bootsmann
Kaiser, Karl 29.03.1945 Obermaschinenmaat
Limbach, Johann 19.11.1943 Obersteuermann, Steuermann u. WO
Linka, Wilhelm 29.03.1945 Maschinist
Persch, Franz 29.03.1945 Stabsobermaschinist
Petersen, Theodor 12.03.1943 Oberleutnant zur See, I. WO
Pickelmann, Wilhelm 12.03.1943 Obermaschinist
Walbrol, Anton 13.01.1945 Obermaschinist

Bernd

[Bernd R]

RE: Sicherungs-Einheiten review [page 21]

I have added a number of recipients from the artillery components (from an older list compiled by Shawn).

Chevallerie von der, [first name not listed], 08.02.1942, Hauptmann, Radf.Wachbtl. 619 [attached in 41] , [Radf.Wach.Btl. 619 getting I./Sich.Rgt. 3 in May 42] / EBS

looked for Hans, Wilco ; no result so far.

German Cross in Gold
Ludowig von, Gerhard, 19.12.1941, Major, Sich.Btl. 163

this one is solved ! One of the most amazing results ever.
It is -> Sumpf-Bataillon [163] der 163. Infanterie-Division [swamp btl.] ; added there.
For all about this case / unit see here : http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=5471 (thanks to Harri, Juha and Simon)

Bernd

[Bernd R]

RE: Sicherungs-Einheiten review

The "raw data" are cut down to this short list. Ldschtz.Btl. 637 was fighting at KOWEL in March 1944 and was subordinated lateron to HGr. Mitte (Oct 44).
The other units are difficult to determine at the moment ; expecially 15. Sich.Brig. appears strange to me.

German Cross in Gold
Ludowig von, Gerhard, 19.12.1941, Major, Sich.Btl. 163
Schulzki, Otto, 09.04.1943, Uffz., 1./Sich.Abt. 161
Schuster, Kurt, 24.12.1942, Hptm., Stb./15. Sich.Brig.

Army Honor Roll Clasp
Adolph, [no first name listed], 08.01.1942, Ogefr., 7./Sich.Rgt. 304
Arnhold, Rudolf, 08.03.1942, Fw., 1./Sich.Rgt. 12

Army Honor Roll Clasp
Bartling, Emil, 07.11.1944, Hauptmann, Landesschtz.Btl. 637

Bernd

Based on the experience with von Ludowig and the "S.Btl." irritation / misinterpretation it is consequent to regard the other Sich. units - which didn't exist - as being other "S" units. Schützen- was my idea once and I now found further arguments / facts.

listed with 15. Pz.Div. is
Schuster, Kurt, 24.12.1942, Hauptmann, Stab/15. Schütz.Brig. / DKiG
though officially designated Pz.Gren.Brig. since july 42 it was called 15. Schtz.Brig. also in North Africa ; that makes Schuster a double listing and Sich.Brig. an error.

listed with 4. Pz.Div. is
Arnold, Rudolf, 09.04.1943, Oberfeldwebel, 1./Pz.Gren.Rgt. 12 / DKiG
that makes Arnhold , 08.03.1942, Fw., 1./Sich.Rgt. 12 / EBS -> 1./Schtz.Rgt. 12

Adolph, ?, 08.01.1942, Ogefr., 7./Sich.Rgt. 304 / EBS
is not listed anywhere ; the correct data set has to be : 7./Schtz.Rgt. 304 / 2. Pz.Div.

Schulzki, Otto , and the non-existing Sich.Abt. 161 :
I tend to the conclusion that this has to read Schnelle Abteilung 161 of 61. Inf.Div.


Can we have a re-check for Schuster please, Wilco ?

Until a final proof is available and possible I suggest to overtake these results and to list the men with the respective units with a note added.

Bernd

[W.Vermeer]

Can we have a re-check for Schuster please, Wilco ?

Patzwall/Scherzer gives only for this Schuster, Kurt: Hauptmann, 15.Sich.Brig. 24.12.1942

[W.Vermeer]

31) Was Ski-Bataillon 157 a component of the 57. Inf.Div.?
DKiG : Riechert, Heini, 29.05.1943, Oberleutnant, Ski-Btl. 157
one of our all-time mysteries ; btw, is it the unit that P/S has also ? If it's a typo we can stop the hunt.

Patzwall/Scherzer also mentiones Ski-Bataillon 157

[Bernd R]

Thanks Wilco ! I have handled the issues like that. Those recipients are on the list for primary source research / archive visit.

of note / status quo of research : / revision Dec 2008 / Bernd
the following recipients are listed with the units given + a note added there
German Cross in Gold
Schulzki, Otto, 09.04.1943, Uffz., 1./Sich.Abt. 161 -> Schnelle Abteilung 161 / 61. ID
Schuster, Kurt, 24.12.1942, Hptm., Stb./15. Sich.Brig. -> Stab/15. Schützen-Brigade / 15. PD

Army Honor Roll Clasp
Adolph, [no first name listed], 08.01.1942, Ogefr., 7./Sich.Rgt. 304 -> 7./Schützen-Regiment / 2. PD
Arnhold, Rudolf, 08.03.1942, Fw., 1./Sich.Rgt. 12 -> 1./Schützen-Regiment 12 / 4. PD

Bernd

[Bernd R]

Announcement / Request

Hello all,

as one part of Phase 2 of the project we are planning to expand the field of foreign awards to Germans. Already included are the Finnish Order of the Cross of Liberty and the Romanian Order of Michael the Brave.
In a process of evaluating and re-checking the material available already in the forum we would like to ask for any assistance to work on and to go on in this field. Therefore I have re-started some threads recently about Italian, Croatian and Bulgarian awards (ABR forum, first pages). Thanks in advance for any contributions and help in those "working stations".
Once quite solid and complete results can be stated for countries / awards those will be transferred to the listings here. It's a lot and it is not easy, so, this section possibly will stretch into a Phase 3 of the project.

Further topics about Finnish, Romanian, Slovak and Japanes awards will be re-started next.

edit Feb 2009 : these are the awards with threads currently running in the forum :
Orden der weissen Rose von Finnland
Award List - Medaglia al Valore Militare
Kgl. Italien. Militärorden von Savoyen
Kgl. Italien. Orden vom Heiligen Maurizius und Lazarus
Award List - Croatian Iron Trefoil & King Zwonimir Crown
Kgl. Bulg. Tapferkeitsorden awarded to Germans
Kgl. Bulg. Militärverdienst-Orden
Kgl. Bulg. Orden vom Heiligen Alexander
Romanian Orders awarded to Germans
Slowakisches Kriegssiegerkreuz
Japanischer Orden der Aufgehenden Sonne (Japanese Order of the Rising Sun)
Hungarian Golden Bravery Medals

Parallel to that I'm on it to expand the German awards to foreigners section with the German Cross in Gold.

Thanks and regards
Bernd

[Bernd R]

RE: Sicherungs-Einheiten [page 21]

The review is finished basically. The listing represents the formal OOB/structure of the units though it is known that many of the sub-units (verst. Inf.Rgt./Gren.Rgt. mainly) were detached from the Sich.Divs. to carry out other duties and even fight in frontline being attached to other headquarters. When known the attachments are (and will be) added. This for the assignments of a few Sich.Rgts. in early times in 1941 (additional Sich.Rgts. which weren't integral parts of the divisions by formal planning but assigned to strengthen Sich.Divs) and also for Sich.Rgt. 608 e.g. which was part of Korpsgruppe von dem Bach during the Warsaw Uprising.

If there are any objections or you detect an error / confusion please post. A few of the doubtful cases researched have notes added in brackets.

Thanks and regards
Bernd

[Bernd R]

RE:

31) Was Ski-Bataillon 157 a component of the 57. Inf.Div.?
DKiG : Riechert, Heini, 29.05.1943, Oberleutnant, Ski-Btl. 157

I was looking again through this big site on the 57. ID mentioned in one of the earlier posts above. Per the Gliederung on 30.10.1943 (and for the time frame 12/43 - 1/44) the division had a Ski-Kompanie 157 (fighting alongside with the divisional Füs.Btl. 157). Needless to say - for the time frame of interest here, winter 42/43 (resulting in the award in May 43), the desciption is a bit thin and uncomplete and does contain nothing about a Ski unit. The conclusion that a Ski unit did exist in winter 42/43 when the division did have one in winter 43/44 should be still in the play I think. So, still open.

As a nice feature (once compiled by Shawn) I have added to the Ski units section on [page 11] :

addendum : Other Ski Units , integral parts of divisions / regiments

German Cross in Gold
Bachmeier, Ludwig, 03.02.1943, Major d.R., Ski-Btl. 387 / 387. ID
Graupe, Walter, 30.09.1944, Oberleutnant, 1./Ski-Btl. 82 / 7. Geb.Div
Hißner, Alfred, 12.08.1944, Oberleutnant, 4./Ski-Btl. 82 / 7. Geb.Div
Oertel, Kurt, 14.02.1943, Leutnant, Ski-Kp./Gren.Rgt. 453 / 253. ID
Riechert, Heini, 29.05.1943, Oberleutnant, Ski-Btl. 157 / ??
Schuberth, Adam, 12.08.1944, Oberfeldwebel, 2./Ski-Btl. 82 / 7. Geb.Div

Army Honor Roll Clasp
Baecker, Lothar, 07.01.1943, Leutnant, Ski-Kp./Gren.Rgt. 332 / 197. ID
Mocken, Aloys, 26.01.1943, Oberleutnant, Ski-Kp./Gren.Rgt. 184 / 86. ID

Bernd

[Bernd R]

One note in my files down. We had a wrong award date (16.01.) for SS-Stubaf. Alfred Arnold from SS-Pz.Brig. "Groß". Evidence per the vorl. Besitzzeugnis cited. Besides the Factbook page quoted already I have added also the excellent "Lets Build" thread. Based on that/all I have refined positions and units ; resulting in the final edit of the entry now :

SS-Panzer-Brigade „Groß“ ["Gross"]
for further info : http://axishistory.com/index.php?id=508
and : Let's Build SS-Panzer-Brigade "Gross"
Vorläufiges Besitzzeugnis Stubaf. Arnold

German Cross in Gold (3)
Arnold, Alfred, 06.01.1945, SS-Sturmbannführer, [Kdr. Gren.Btl. 1] SS-Pz.Brig. “Groß”
Herzig, Friedrich (Fritz) 06.01.1945 SS-Sturmbannführer Ia SS-Pz.Brig. “Groß”
Schwarz, Friedrich, 07.01.1945, SS-Oberscharführer, 2.[Pz.Späh.Kp]/Aufkl.Abt. SS-Pz.Brig. “Groß”

Honor Roll Clasp of the Waffen-SS (2)
Lahr, Günther, 15.02.1945, SS-Obersturmführer, [Ord.-Offz.] Gren.Btl. 1 SS-Pz.Brig. "Groß"
Scheibler, Josef, 00.00.1945, SS-Untersturmführer d.R., Gren.Btl. 1 (mot) SS-Pz.Brig. “Groß”

Bernd

[Bernd R]

In a row of a few smaller cases we should be able to solve next time, here are two. Can we have a re-check please with Patzwall/Scherzer and/or other references ?

30) 17. SS-Pz.Gren.Div "GvB" [page 12]

Berger, Dr. Arno, 30.03.1945, SS-Ostuf. / SS-Obstubaf. [?], SS-Pz.Aufkl.Abt. 17

DKiG ; rank ?

He didn't replace or succeed Kurt Wahl, or ? SS-Obersturmführer most likely ?

Neuer, Walther, 29.04.1945, Oberstleutnant, Pz.Rgt. 118 / DKiG

Was added once to the 18. Pz.Gren.Div. [page 47] per the Scheibert addendum. Scherzer's RK entry (Kgr. Ploesti) provides this date, too, with the note : "im BA nicht nachweisbar, nach eig. Angaben" ; ??

Bernd

[Bernd R]

..and to celebrate my post #1000 in this thread but more to celebrate you and dedicate it to you, dear colleagues of the band. Let me say thank you again for the co-operation and the teamwork here during this year ! All not possible without the hard work of a few and the help of many !

Let's keep the motto "No way back" and let's go on digging through Phase 2 of the project.

The last year did see the joining of Mr. Wilco Vermeer with constant help. Thanks Wilco !
I strongly recommend a visit of http://www.ww2awards.com/ and I would like to ask you all to give your input to help improving this huge database.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all !
Bernd

[W.Vermeer]

Bernd and others, just a few days to go till christmas, a nice moment to compliment you and all others that contribute to this wonrdefull topic (and the rest of the forum also off course). This kind of research is what we need to putt together data on this historical issue. For the project I work on (ww2awards.com) is is a very welcome addition. We always try to work on a basis of receive and give as much information possible. Keep up the good work.

To all here, merry christmas and a happy and prosperous 2009.
Best wishes to all from the Netherlands.