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Post by David Thompson » 04 Oct 2010, 16:10

Because we have two new threads dealing generally with this topic, I thought I'd put this up as a research thread, so readers could see some of the general principles involved in these cases.

Here are the specific charges from the indictment in the "Medical case," NMT proceedings vol. 1, pp. 11-17; available on-line at http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/ ... inals.html:
COUNT TWO — WAR CRIMES

6. Between September 1939 and April 1945 all of the defendants herein unlawfully, willfully, and knowingly committed war crimes, as defined by Article II of Control Council Law No. 10, in that they were principals in, accessories to, ordered, abetted, took a consenting part in, and were connected with plans and enterprises involving medical experiments without the subjects' consent, upon civilians and members of the armed forces of nations then at war with the German Reich and who were in the custody of the German Reich in exercise of belligerent control, in the course of which experiments the defendants committed murders, brutalities, cruelties, tortures, atrocities, and other inhuman acts. Such experiments included, but were not limited to, the following:

(A) High-Altitude Experiments.

From about March 1942 to about August 1942 experiments were conducted at the Dachau concentration camp, for the benefit of the German Air Force, to investigate the limits of human endurance and existence at extremely high altitudes. The experiments were carried out in a low-pressure chamber in which atmospheric conditions and pressures prevailing at high altitude (up to 68,000 feet) could be duplicated. The experimental subjects were placed in the low-pressure chamber and thereafter the simulated altitude therein was raised. Many victims died as a result of these experiments and others suffered grave injury, torture, and ill-treatment. The defendants Karl Brandt, Handloser, Schroeder, Gebhardt, Rudolf Brandt, Mrugowsky, Poppendick, Sievers, Ruff, Romberg, Becker-Freyseng, and Weltz are charged with special responsibility for and participation in these crimes.

(B) Freezing Experiments.

From about August 1942 to about May 1943 experiments were conducted at the Dachau concentration camp, primarily for the benefit of the German Air Force, to investigate the most effective means of treating persons who had been severely chilled or frozen. In one series of experiments the subjects were forced to remain in a tank of ice water for periods up to 3 hours. Extreme rigor developed in a short time. Numerous victims died in the course of these experiments. After the survivors were severely chilled, rewarming was attempted by various means. In another series of experiments, the subjects were kept naked outdoors for many hours at temperatures below freezing. The victims screamed with pain as their bodies froze. The defendants Karl Brand, Handloser, Schroeder, Gebhardt, Rudolf Brandt, Mrugowsky, Poppendick, Sievers, Becker-Freyseng, and Weltz are charged with special responsibility for and participation in these crimes.

(C) Malaria Experiments.

From about February 1942 to about April 1945 experiments were conducted at the Dachau concentration camp in order to investigate immunization for and treatment of malaria. Healthy concentration-camp inmates were infected by mosquitoes or by injections of extracts of the mucous glands of mosquitoes. After having contracted malaria the subjects were treated with various drugs to test their relative efficacy. Over 1,000 involuntary subjects were used in these experiments. Many of the victims died and others suffered severe pain and permanent disability. The defendants Karl Brandt, Handloser, Rostock, Gebhardt, Blome, Rudolf Brandt, Mrugowsky, Poppendick, and Sievers are charged with special responsibility for and participation in these crimes.

(D) Lost (Mustard) Gas Experiments.

At various times between September 1939 and April 1945 experiments were conducted at Sachsenhausen, Natzweiler, and other concentration camps for the benefit of the German Armed Forces to investigate the most effective treatment of wounds caused by Lost gas. Lost is a poison gas which is commonly known as mustard gas. Wounds deliberately inflicted on the subjects were infected with Lost. Some of the subjects died as a result of these experiments and others suffered intense pain and injury. The defendants Karl Brandt, Handloser, Blome, Rostock, Gebhardt, Rudolf Brandt, and Sievers are charged with special responsibility for and participation in these crimes.

(E) Sulfanilamide Experiments.

From about July 1942 to about September 1943 experiments to investigate the effectiveness of sulfanilamide were conducted at the Ravensbrueck concentration camp for the benefit of the German Armed Forces. Wounds deliberately inflicted on the experimental subjects were infected with bacteria such as streptococcus, gas gangrene, and tetanus. Circulation of blood was interrupted by tying off blood vessels at both ends of the wound to create a condition similar to that of a battlefield wound. Infection was aggravated by forcing wood shavings and ground glass into the wounds. The infection was treated with sulfanilamide and other drugs to determine their effectiveness. Some subjects died as a result of these experiments and others suffered serious injury and intense agony. The defendants Karl Brandt, Handloser, Rostock, Schroeder, Genzken, Gebhardt, Blome, Rudolf Brandt, Mrugowsky, Poppendick, Becker-Freyseng, Oberheuser, and Fischer are charged with special responsibility for and participation in these crimes.

(F) Bone, Muscle, and Nerve Regeneration and Bone Transplantation Experiments.

From about September 1942 to about December 1943 experiments were conducted at the Ravensbrueck concentration camp, for the benefit of the German Armed Forces, to study bone, muscle, and nerve regeneration, and bone transplantation from one person to another. Sections of bones, muscles, and nerves were removed from the subjects. As a result of these operations, many victims suffered intense agony, mutilation, and permanent disability. The defendants Karl Brandt, Handloser, Rostock, Gebhardt, Rudolf Brandt, Oberheuser, and Fischer are charged with special responsibility for and participation in these crimes.

(G) Sea-water Experiments.

From about July 1944 to about September 1944 experiments were conducted at the Dachau concentration camp, for the benefit of the German Air Force and Navy, to study various methods of making sea water drinkable. The subjects were deprived of all food and given only chemically processed sea water. Such experiments caused great pain and suffering and resulted in serious bodily injury to the victims. The defendants Karl Brandt, Handloser, Rostock, Schroeder, Gebhardt, Rudolf Brandt, Mrugowsky, Poppendick, Sievers, Becker-Freyseng, Schaefer, and Beiglboeck are charged with special responsibility for and participation in these crimes.

(H) Epidemic Jaundice Experiments.

From about June 1943 to about January 1945 experiments were conducted at the Sachsenhausen and Natzweiler
concentration camps, for the benefit of the German Armed Forces, to investigate the causes of, and inoculations against, epidemic jaundice. Experimental subjects were deliberately infected with epidemic jaundice, some of whom died as a result, and others were caused great pain and suffering. The defendants Karl Brandt, Handloser, Rostock, Schroeder, Gebhardt, Rudolf Brandt, Mrugowsky, Poppendick, Sievers, Rose, and Becker-Freyseng are charged with special responsibility for and participation in these crimes.

(I) Sterilization Experiments.

From about March 1941 to about January 1945 sterilization experiments were conducted at the Auschwitz and Ravensbrueck concentration camps, and other places. The purpose of these experiments was to develop a method of sterilization which would be suitable for sterilizing millions of people with a minimum of time and effort. These experiments were conducted by means of X-ray, surgery, and various drugs. Thousands of victims were sterilized and thereby suffered great mental and physical anguish. The defendants Karl Brandt, Gebhardt, Rudolf Brandt, Mrugowsky, Poppendick, Brack, Pokorny, and Oberheuser are charged with special responsibility for and participation in these crimes.

(J) Spotted Fever (Fleckfieber) Experiments.

[It was definitely ascertained in the course of the proceedings, by both prosecution and defense, that the correct translation of "Fleckfieber" is typhus. A finding to this effect is contained in the judgment. A similar initial inadequate translation occurred in the case of "typhus" and "paratyphus" which should be rendered as typhoid and paratyphoid.] From about December 1941 to about February 1945 experiments were conducted at the Buchenwald and Natzweiler concentration camps, for the benefit of the German Armed Forces, to investigate the effectiveness of spotted fever and other vaccines. At Buchenwald numerous healthy inmates were deliberately infected with spotted fever virus in order to keep the virus alive; over 90 percent of the victims died as a result. Other healthy inmates were used to determine the effectiveness of different spotted fever vaccines and of various chemical substances. In the course of these experiments 75 percent of the selected number of inmates were vaccinated with one of the vaccines or nourished with one of the chemical substances and, after a period of 3 to 4 weeks, were infected with spotted fever germs. The remaining 25 percent were infected without any previous protection in order to compare the effectiveness of the vaccines and the chemical substances. As a result, hundreds of the persons experimented upon died. Experiments with yellow fever, smallpox, typhus, paratyphus [It was definitely ascertained in the course of the proceedings, by both prosecution ad defense, that the correct translation of "Fleckfieber" is typhus. A finding to this effect is contained in the judgment. A similar initial inadequate translation occurred in the case of "typhus" and "paratyphus" which should be rendered as typhoid and paratyphoid] A and B, cholera, and diphtheria were also conducted. Similar experiments with like results were conducted at Natzweiler concentration camp. The defendants Karl Brandt, Handloser, Rostock, Schroeder, Genzken, Gebhardt, Rudolf Brandt, Mrugowsky, Poppendick, Sievers, Rose, Becker-Freyseng, and Hoven are charged with special responsibility for and participation in these crimes.

(K) Experiments with Poison.

In or about December 1943, and in or about October 1944, experiments were conducted at the Buchenwald concentration camp to investigate the effect of various poisons upon human beings. The poisons were secretly administered to experimental subjects in their food. The victims died as a result of the poison or were killed immediately in order to permit autopsies. In or about September 1944 experimental subjects were shot with poison bullets and suffered torture and death. The defendants Genzken, Gebhardt, Mrugowsky, and Poppendick are charged with special responsibility for and participation in these crimes.

(L) Incendiary Bomb Experiments.

From about November 1943 to about January 1944 experiments were conducted at the Buchenwald concentration camp to test the effect of various pharmaceutical preparations on phosphorous burns. These burns were inflicted on experimental subjects with phosphorous matter taken from incendiary bombs, and caused severe pain, suffering, and serious bodily injury. The defendants Genzken, Gebhardt, Mrugowsky, and Poppendick are charged with special responsibility for and participation in these crimes.

COUNT THREE--CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY

11. Between September 1939 and April 1945 all of the defendants herein unlawfully, willfully, and knowingly committed crimes against humanity, as defined by Article I1 of Control Council Law No. 10, in that they were principals in, accessories to, ordered, abetted, took a consenting part in, and were connected with plans and enterprises involving medical experiments, without the subjects' consent, upon German civilians and nationals of other countries, in the course of which experiments the defendants committed murders, brutalities, cruelties, tortures, atrocities, and other inhuman acts. The particulars concerning such experiments are set forth in paragraph 6 of count two of this indictment and are incorporated herein by reference.

12. Between June 1943 and September 1944 the defendants Rudolf Brandt and Sievers unlawfully, willfully, and knowingly committed crimes against humanity, as defined by Article I1 of Control Council Law No. 10, in that they were principals in, accessories to, ordered, abetted, took a consenting part in, and were connected with plans and enterprises involving the murder of German civilians and nationals of other countries. The particulars concerning such murders are set forth in paragraph 7 of count two of this indictment and are incorporated herein by reference.

13. Between May 1942 and January 1944 the defendants Blome and Rudolf Brandt unlawfully, willfully, and knowingly committed crimes against humanity, as defined by Article I1 of Control Council Law No. 10, in that they were principals in, accessories to, ordered, abetted, took a consenting part in, and were connected with plans and enterprises involving the murder and mistreatment of tens of thousands of Polish nationals. The particulars concerning such murder and inhuman treatment are set forth in paragraph 8 of count two of this indictment and are incorporated herein by reference.

14. Between September 1939 and April 1945 the defendants Karl Brandt, Blome, Brack, and Hoven unlawfully, willfully, and knowingly committed crimes against humanity, as defined by Article I1 of Control Council Law No. 10, in that they were principals in, accessories to, ordered, abetted, took a consenting part in, and were connected with plans and enterprises involving the execution of the so-called "euthanasia" program of the German Reich, in the course of which the defendants herein murdered hundreds of thousands of human beings, including German civilians, as well as civilians of other nations. The particulars concerning such murders are set forth in paragraph 9 of count two of this indictment and are incorporated herein by reference.

15. The said crimes against humanity constitute violations of international conventions, including Article 46 of the Hague Regulations, 1907, the laws and customs of war, the general principles of criminal law as derived from the criminal laws of all civilized nations, the internal penal laws of the countries in which such crimes were committed, and of Article I1of Control Council Law No. 10.
This excerpt is from the judgment in the "Medical case," NMT proceedings vol. 2, pp. 181-184; available on-line at http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/ ... inals.html:
THE PROOF AS TO WAR CRIMES AND CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY

Judged by any standard of proof the record clearly shows the commission of war crimes and crimes against humanity substantially as alleged in counts two and three of the indictment. Beginning with the outbreak of World War II criminal medical experiments on non-German nationals, both prisoners of war and civilians, including Jews and "asocial" persons, were carried out on a large scale in Germany and the occupied countries. These experiments were not the isolated and casual acts of individual doctors and scientists working solely on their own responsibility, but were the product of coordinated policy-making and planning at high governmental, military, and Nazi Party levels, conducted as an integral part of the total war effort. They were ordered, sanctioned, permitted, or approved by persons in positions of authority who under all principles of law were under the duty to know about these things and to take steps to terminate or prevent them.

PERMISSIBLE MEDICAL EXPERIMENTS

The great weight of the evidence before us is to the effect that certain types of medical experiments on human beings, when kept within reasonably well-defined bounds, conform to the ethics of the medical profession generally. The protagonists of the practice of human experimentation justify their views on the basis that such experiments yield results for the good of society that are unprocurable by other methods or means of study. All agree, however, that certain basic principles must be observed in order to satisfy moral, ethical and legal concepts:

1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.

This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should

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be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment.

The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.

2. The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.

3. The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results will justify the performance of the experiment.

4. The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.

5. No experiment should be conducted where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects.

6. The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.

7. Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability, or death.

8. The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.

9. During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible.

10. During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probably cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required of him that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.

Of the ten principles which have been enumerated our judicial concern, of course, is with those requirements which are purely

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legal in nature--or which at least are so clearly related to matters legal that they assist us in determining criminal culpability and punishment. To go beyond that point would lead us into a field that would be beyond our sphere of competence. However, the point need not be labored. We find from the evidence that in the medical experiments which have been proved, these ten principles were much more frequently honored in their breach than in their observance. Many of the concentration camp inmates who were the victims of these atrocities were citizens of countries other than the German Reich. They were non-German nationals, including Jews and "asocial persons", both prisoners of war and civilians, who had been imprisoned and forced to submit to these tortures and barbarities without so much as a semblance of trial. In every single instance appearing in the record, subjects were used who did not consent to the experiments; indeed, as to some of the experiments, it is not even contended by the defendants that the subjects occupied the status of volunteers. In no case was the experimental subject at liberty of his own free choice to withdraw from any experiment. In many cases experiments were performed by unqualified persons; were conducted at random for no adequate scientific reason, and under revolting physical conditions. All of the experiments were conducted with unnecessary suffering and injury and but very little, if any, precautions were taken to protect or safeguard the human subjects from the possibilities of injury, disability, or death. In every one of the experiments the subjects experienced extreme pain or torture, and in most of them they suffered permanent injury, mutilation, or death, either as a direct result of the experiments or because of lack of adequate follow-up care.

Obviously all of these experiments involving brutalities, tortures, disabling injury, and death were performed in complete disregard of international conventions, the laws and customs of war, the general principles of criminal law as derived from the criminal laws of all civilized nations, and Control Council Law No. 10. Manifestly human experiments under such conditions are contrary to "the principles of the law of nations as they result from the usages established among civilized peoples, from the laws of humanity, and from the dictates of public conscience."

Whether any of the defendants in the dock are guilty of these atrocities is, of course, another question.

Under the Anglo-Saxon system of jurisprudence every defendant in a criminal case is presumed to be innocent of an offense charged until the prosecution, by competent, credible proof, has shown his guilt to the exclusion of every reasonable doubt. And this presumption abides with a defendant through each stage of

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his trial until such degree of proof has been adduced. A "reasonable doubt" as the name implies is one conformable to reason--a doubt which a reasonable man would entertain. Stated differently, it is that state of a case which, after a full and complete comparison and consideration of all the evidence, would leave an unbiased, unprejudiced, reflective person, charged with the responsibility for decision, in the state of mind that he could not say that he felt an abiding conviction amounting to a moral certainty of the truth of the charge.

If any of the defendants are to be found guilty under counts two or three of the indictment it must be because the evidence has shown beyond a reasonable doubt that such defendant, without regard to nationality or the capacity in which he acted, participated as a principal in, accessory to, ordered, abetted, took a consenting part in, or was connected with plans or enterprises involving the commission of at least some of the medical experiments and other atrocities which are the subject matter of these counts. Under no other circumstances may he be convicted.

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Post by Sergey » 04 Oct 2010, 19:26

Dear mr.Thompson, it would be logical to merge this thread with the mentioned ones.

There are some other cases.

http://www.rbs2.com/humres.htm


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Post by David Thompson » 04 Oct 2010, 21:33

Sergey -- You wrote:
Dear mr.Thompson, it would be logical to merge this thread with the mentioned ones.
I don't think so. Here's why:

(a) If all of the alleged crimes of this class were combined in a single thread, it would be very difficult for readers to follow the discussion, since posters would be discussing several different events at the same time. This is particularly true if the number of threads increase, and as you note, there are a lot of examples of human medical experiments.

(b) The facts and circumstances of each event within the class are almost certainly different, and they may or may not share common elements.

(c) Some of the human medical experiments may fall into the war crimes category, while others may not.

You also wrote:
There are some other cases.

http://www.rbs2.com/humres.htm
Yes, indeed.

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Post by murx » 05 Oct 2010, 01:02

The standard of modern medical ethics came after WWII. It didn't exist during the 3rd Reich and therefore cannot be quoted considering if something in the past was a criminal act. It was for example general standard in many countries to be " free " in research using inmates on death row. Strict laws of obligatory sterilization existed also in many states of the US.

Futher and more severe: The text quoted under "permissible medical experiments" is not the standard of the 40s but a text of our present time. It is a short version of the "Helsinki Declaration", the basis for modern research ethics, which was released in 1964. Exposure of military personnel to radiation from nuclear weapon tests occured shortly before that date. Other unethical and illegal acts like the "Tuskegee Syphilis Exeriments" lasted from 1932 until 1972. Nobody was on trial thereafter (http://www.tuskegee.edu/global/story.asp?s=1207598) . The ethical standard of that time can be seen in that text:
In 1976, historian James Jones (1981) interviewed John Heller, director of the Venereal Diseases unit of the PHS from 1943 to 1948. Among Heller's remarks were the following: "The men's status did not warrant ethical debate. They were subjects, not patients; clinical material, not sick people".
Therefore my contribution to the topic is: Yes, those experiments in the Reich were crimes against humanity as seen from our today's ethical standpoint. However in case of protective treatments after phosphor bombings those crimes are excused even by modern law.
Mentioning that "these burns were inflicted on experimental subjects with phosphorous matter taken from incendiary bombs, and caused severe pain, suffering, and serious bodily injury." as a war crime is perverted and at least requires someone to answer if those substances were taken from British or US incendiary bombs. The requirement of research to protect own citizens was probably not a criminal act, the fact that those bombardments intentionally reduced the population being available as research subjects either being deceased on that very specific influence or having to replace workforce, is the classical 'justifying state of emergency" and those crimes described as having taken inmates for research possibly are not punishable even today. Those throwing phosphor shouldn't be the judges.
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Post by David Thompson » 05 Oct 2010, 01:28

murx -- You wrote:
Futher and more severe: The text quoted under "permissible medical experiments" is not the standard of the 40s but a text of our present time. It is a short version of the "Helsinki Declaration", the basis for modern research ethics, which was released in 1964.
The judgment of the military tribunal in the "Doctors' trial or "Medical case" was rendered 19 Aug 1947:

http://nuremberg.law.harvard.edu/php/do ... xt=medical
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctors'_Trial

Also, your post is long on opinion but short on sources. Please get into the habit of sourcing your factual claims. The readers will appreciate it, and our rules require it.

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=53962

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Post by phylo_roadking » 05 Oct 2010, 01:45

In relation to Murx' comments - several of the activities the defendants were charged with do indeed look like experimental procedures in and around debridement and excision of wounds...something that was by WWII de rigeur in Allied battlefield medicine - but notably, even as late as 1945 were totally lacking from German battlefield medicine 8O

Don't know If I can find my way back to it again, but a few years ago I read a report online by a U.S. Army doctor after visiting a number of German military hospitals in the first few days of entering Germany. He was amazed that procedures that HE and his colleagues saw as basic - the excision (cutting out) of bone fragements from wounds, and the debridement of wounds (cleaning out the bullet path, especially cutting away flesh that had been damaged, or that the bullet path had disrupted bloodflow to and thus would almost certainly go necrotic) - was totally absent fron German surgical procedures on combat wounds. Also - there was an apparent refusal for german doctors to reenter a wound after initial surgery; basically - the patient was stabilised and set aside with basic nursing....to live or die, depending on the rate of infection that would set in - which was of course MUCH higher because of the lack of derbridement. And if infection from undebrided wounds DID set in....well, that was just Darwin at work! 8O

(He also noted the almost total lack of longterm nursing; as soon as a patient was able to be transported home or to civilian hospoitals away from the Front with an appreciable chance of surviving the trip - they were shipped out to free up post-op nursing beds.)

One has to wonder how - for instance - U.S. Army surgical techniques went from the brutality of the American Civil War to the finesse of WWII to prmit this doctor to make these comparisons....and what experimentation on who occured along the way... 8O
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Post by David Thompson » 05 Oct 2010, 02:14

phylo -- You wrote:
One has to wonder how - for instance - U.S. Army surgical techniques went from the brutality of the American Civil War to the finesse of WWII to prmit this doctor to make these comparisons....and what experimentation on who occured along the way... 8O
Reading the indictment and the judgment, I think the prosecution of these war crimes cases isn't directed against experiments trying to remedy a pre-existing condition, but with the deliberate infliction of the condition sought to be cured.

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Post by phylo_roadking » 05 Oct 2010, 02:43

Reading the indictment and the judgment, I think the prosecution of these war crimes cases isn't directed against experiments trying to remedy a pre-existing condition, but with the deliberate infliction of the condition sought to be cured.
Quite correct - but given my other comments about the suprising state of German combat medicine...its not impossible that useable casualties mightn't have survived the trip to the experimenting surgeons! 8O And if THEY weren't in turn prepared to go to the front line...

Hasten to say I CERTAINLY don't agree in any way with what was done - but I can certainly see why they were experimenting thus. And have to say too - the U.S. Army doctor's report came as quite a suprise to me - given the interwar reputation of German/Austrian surgeons in private healthcare! :o It almost looks that when the requirement for the "mass" application of surgical techniques appeared, German medicine slipped back a generation...whereas Allied combat medicine stepped up to the mark!
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Post by David Thompson » 05 Oct 2010, 03:07

Thanks, phylo.

For interested readers -- I'm going to try to scan, format and post the printed material on medical ethics introduced by both sides during the "Medical case." It will take a little time though, since it's 51 pages of documents. Impatient readers can read it ahead of time in NMT proceedings vol. 2, pp. 70-121, available on-line at http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/ ... inals.html (pdf download of entire volume) and http://www.mazal.org/archive/nmt/02/NMT02-C001.htm (page-by-page view).

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Post by PFLB » 05 Oct 2010, 04:58

Medical experiments were also dealt with in the following cases:

The Pohl Case
http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/ ... _Vol-V.pdf

The IG Farben Case
http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/ ... l-VIII.pdf

The Dachau Case (5-7)
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... ial/d3.pdf

The Buchenwald Case (7-10)
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... al/b25.pdf

The Flossenburg Case (7-8)
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... al/f13.pdf

The Mauthausen-Gusen Case (6-7)
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... ial/50.pdf

The Muehldorf Case (12-14)
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... al/mu1.pdf

The reviews of concentration camp cases are not detailed, but provide reference to the evidence admitted.

Commentary, at pages 114-117
http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/ ... Vol-15.pdf

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Post by kiseli » 05 Oct 2010, 09:39

The medical experiments carried out in the camps can be divided into two major categories.
The first category includes experiments that were not ethically problematic in and of themselves---in fact, their aims might have been acceptable under other circumstances---but the way in which they were carried out violated ethical codes.
The second category includes experiments that both violated medical ethics in the way they were conducted and in their
very purpose of being.
The first category consisted of two types of experiments: experiments dealing with survival and rescue, and experiments dealing with medical treatment. Survival and rescue experiments tested the abilities of a human being to survive under harsh conditions and to adapt to those conditions, and figured out how to save lives in various situations. Conducted on prisoners at DACHAU by the SS and German air force, these included testing human potential for survival at high altitudes and at freezing temperatures, and seeing whether and how long humans could survive by drinking seawater.
Medical treatment experiments---still part of the group of experiments problematic mainly due to the way they were run, not their aims---tried to figure out how to treat certain battle injuries and victims of gas attacks, and tested various medicines and vaccination techniques, to learn more about preventing or treating contagious diseases. The chemical warfare experiments were sponsored by the German army.
The second major category of experiments, which violated medical ethics by both their means and their ends, included experiments that tried to prove the Nazis' racist ideas through biology. Those experiments seeking biological proof of the Nazis' racist beliefs included tests on dwarfs and twins, and the study of Jewish skeletons. Those experiments seeking to advance the destruction of the Jews included mass sterilization, meant as an alternative to immediate extermination.
http://www1.yadvashem.org/odot_pdf/Micr ... 206643.pdf

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Re: Human medical experiments as a war crime

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Post by murx » 05 Oct 2010, 18:37

I'll make one more addition and then I'll quit. Nuernberg witness Konrad Morgen, SS judge, on day 198:
Q. Did you speak to the doctor of the concentration camp Auschwitz?
A. Yes. When I arrived, the doctor showed me the mortality figures at the time he took over. He pointed out with enthusiasm how since his transfer to Auschwitz these huge figures had gone down precipitately through extensive hygienic measures and changes. With that he came to Grabner. Grabner had wanted him to kill pregnant Polish women. The doctor had refused, since it was irreconcilable with his professional duties. Then Grabner had said that he did not realize the importance of his, Grabner's, tasks. The doctor did not give in, and a quarrel arose which was carried on before the commandant, and neither Hoess not Grawitz said anything. Thus the doctor at the time when I met him by accident was in a troubled state of mind and said, "What shall I do?" I said, "What you did, absolute refusal, is quite right and tomorrow I will arrest Grabner."
Grabner was sentenced to 12 years in prison by the SS. Coming back to the earlier posting and the Tuskegee experiments I quoted above: Although some ethical rules were present on paper, unacceptable ethical standards were applied in practice (in many countries) by some, but not by all. Many societies until after WW II had ethical and moral double - standards. The highest ones for mlembers of the own population (aaryan, white), lower ones for others (jews, blacks). To justify themselves all those applying ethical double-standards pointed to the others. Physicians committed crimes during WW II, I agree. But those, throwing tons of phosphor on a civilian population, still are heroes. This IS a double standard.Giving up double standards is a lesson from history to be learned. Assessing the severity of those crimes above must take into account the "standard of double standards" which still is existing.

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Re: Human medical experiments as a war crime

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Post by David Thompson » 05 Oct 2010, 20:39

murx -- You wrote:
But those, throwing tons of phosphor on a civilian population, still are heroes. This IS a double standard.Giving up double standards is a lesson from history to be learned.
Please stay on topic -- Human medical experiments as a war crime.

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Post by murx » 06 Oct 2010, 03:59

Please stay on topic -- Human medical experiments as a war crime.
I agree.

Some of the horrible incidents described above seem to be regular crimes or crimes against humanity.
To be war crimes they not only must have been committed during a time of war, but by the definition of that time
be related to warfare. Sterilisations of Germans with genetic defects, which was according to the law of that time as well as euthanasia, which was legal in some countries then and actually is legalized again in some, cannot be listed at all as "war crime'. That doesn't say it cannoit bne discussed if those were no times. Which legal aspect makes you think in most of them to be "war crimes"?

BTW: some interesting readings are below

http://www.nursingcenter.com/library/Jo ... _ID=941039

http://www.bordeninstitute.army.mil/pub ... -ch-14.pdf

http://www.bordeninstitute.army.mil/pub ... -ch-15.pdf
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Re: Human medical experiments as a war crime

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Post by PFLB » 06 Oct 2010, 04:06

The US Military Tribunals generally did not draw a sharp distinction between war crimes and crimes against humanity, because most of the crimes they adjudicated on were committed in connection with both an armed conflict and an attack on the civilian population. Therefore, they typically stated simply that to the extent any given offence was not a war crime, it was a crime against humanity, a conclusion which was completely warranted in view of the facts in question.

'The text quoted under "permissible medical experiments" is not the standard of the 40s but a text of our present time'

No. That is the judgment of a US Military Tribunal sitting in Nuremberg in its first decision in 1947.

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