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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by ROLAND1369 » 29 Oct 2012, 21:30

Msg frommyt1prod on 28 Oct 2012 21:38
I am convinced that it is a 240 MM gun and not an 8 inch gun M1 from comparision of the projectile. The 8 inch has a mor streamlined look than the "Beer barrel" shape of the 240 MM. Source of drawings is TM 9-1901, ARTILLERY AMMUNITION, 29 june 1944.
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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by YC Chen » 30 Oct 2012, 12:24

myt1prod wrote:Thanks everyone, i'll see if I can get more specifics on the photo itself informing locally...

Yet another unknown (allied) gun to me (as most of them are), is this one. This should be near Veurne (BE) somewhere in a field, the photo is not dated so possibly taken at time of operation Dynamo, liberation of Veurne or the siege of Dunkirk. According to the source this is a 75mm gun (can't recall the source :roll: )
Regarding it's strange position, is this then a AA-gun? ...
afweergeschut 75mm Veurne.jpg
Jean
Sorry if my id is wrong, but this looks very much like some Schneider-Canet 75mm export field gun from early 20th century, maybe a M1907 without shield.


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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by myt1prod » 30 Oct 2012, 14:17

Clive Mortimore wrote:
Hi Jean

The barrel looks slimer than the 240mm howitzer so I would go with its long range brother the US 8 inch gun M1. The soldiers are in British uniforms. They are possibly from 3 Super Heavy Regiment RA.

Yours
Clive

Edit I think the date of the photo is VE day 8th May 1945. Dunkirk was not liberated until after the German surrender, and was still being fired on up to VE day. I am not sure if 3 Super Heavy Regiment was part of the siege but they would have had the range to fire on Dunkirk from De Panne.
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Hi

I received this answer on the WW2talkforum concerning this photo:

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"Hi Jean
I think you have the wrong Regt.

I have the diary of the 3rd Super Heavy Regt RA from Jan 44 till Mar 45.
On the 8th Sept 44 the Regt was still at Larkhill in England and did not land at Dieppe untill 13.00hrs on 23rd Sept. They first went into action on 4th Oct at the Leopold Canal with 9AGRA in support of 2nd Cdn Division.

According to the 9AGRA Diaries Location Statement, The 3rd S/Hvy Regt on the 8th May 1945 were at Bocholt and later, on the 24th at Borken (Munster)

I think your looking at a section of 17AGRA's, 61st Super Heavy Regt RA, who's 443 Bty were established at Le Panne in May 45 and were part of "Dunkirk Force" March-June 1945

Nice pic by the way
Best
Rob"
(Rob Dickers, London)

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"Here is the 17AGRA (Army Group Royal Artillery), Artillery Orbat for "Dunkirk Force" Mar-June 1945
Rob
17 Army Group RADunkirk Force March 1945-June1945
HQ and Signals 17AGRA
Field Regiments No’s 61, 8Cdn (A), 1Czech
Langforce Arty 2 Btys?
69th Medium Regiment RA
32 Heavy Regiment RA
61 Super Heavy Regt RA, 242,443Btys
118 HAA Regt RA
73 LAA Regt RA
3 LAA S/L Regt RA
600,608 Regts RA
1520 Artillery Platoon RASC
661/652 Air-Op Sqn"



Greetz Jean

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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by Clive Mortimore » 31 Oct 2012, 20:09

Hi Jean

Thanks for the information. I went with 3 Super Heavy Regiment because the first date given was September 1944, 61 Field Regiment was not converted to Super Heavy until December 1944.

I still think the gun is an 8 inch not a 240mm Howitzer. I may well be wrong. :)

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Post by jopaerya » 02 Nov 2012, 20:01

Two other picture's of the 120 mm P.K. L/45 M 12 Lomholt from Ebay
please see also page 16 and 46 for more picture's of this gun .

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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by Sturm78 » 20 Nov 2012, 11:59

Hi all,

Can anyone identify this gun?

I think a Schneider design but I am not sure. Model ?? :?

Image from historicalmedia website
Thanks in advance. Sturm78
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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by peeved » 20 Nov 2012, 12:19

Hi Sturm,

Looks like the horse-drawn version of the Canon de 105 L mle 1936 Schneider to me.

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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by ALVF » 20 Nov 2012, 17:54

Hello,

Yes, it is the first version of "Canon de 105 L modèle 1936 S", "S" for "Schneider".
They are three versions of this gun:
-this very rare version with spoked wheels for horse-drawn, only in service in 107 R.A.L since 1937.
-the more numerous, with pneumatics wheels for tractor-drawn, the first in 108 R.A.L since 1938 and others "Régiments".
-the Romanian version, similar with pneumatics and a muzzle-brake, the version was called "105 L modèle 1936 SR", the "R" for "Roumanie".
The three versions were in service in french Army in 1940 and the two versions with pneumatics wheels were also in service after 1945, more 100 guns of the"romanian" version, in various stages of building in Schneider and Saint-Chamond works when France was liberated, were finished in 1945-1948 years.These guns were in service with post-war french Army in west Germany.
Yours sincerely,
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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by CNOCK » 20 Nov 2012, 20:59

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French 75 mm gun in AA role, WW1

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Post by Clive Mortimore » 20 Nov 2012, 21:08

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French 75 mm gun in AA role, WW1

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Hi Cnock

I believe this a German conversion of captured guns during WW1.

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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by CNOCK » 20 Nov 2012, 21:18

Clive,

yes the Germans used them with the socle as shown, but myt1prod(jean) said the pick was taken near Veurne, and the Germans were never in Veurne in WW1. it is definitely a WWI gun mounting

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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by ALVF » 20 Nov 2012, 22:20

Hello,

It is a BELGIAN mounting of a 75 mm Schneider PD7.The mounting is "affût A.C.M.A".
In 1914, the belgian Army buyed 75 mm Schneider guns PD 7 in building for Portugal.These guns were used first as Field Artillery and some were mounted on this mounting fo anti-aircraft fire.
See the two fine books of Colonel Roger Lothaire "L'artillerie de campagne belge de 1900 à 1940"-Editions du patrimoine militaire-2002.A third volume on belgian Heavy Artillery is foreseen this month!
Yours sincerely,
Guy François.

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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by Manuferey » 21 Nov 2012, 00:07

Here are two pictures (from ebay.com) of the same type of gun. However, the uniforms of the soldiers and officers do not look Belgian to me. Was this AA gun used by other countries than Belgium?

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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by Sturm78 » 21 Nov 2012, 01:00

Markus wrote
Looks like the horse-drawn version of the Canon de 105 L mle 1936 Schneider to me
Guy François wrote
Yes, it is the first version of "Canon de 105 L modèle 1936 S", "S" for "Schneider".
They are three versions of this gun:
-this very rare version with spoked wheels for horse-drawn, only in service in 107 R.A.L since 1937.
-the more numerous, with pneumatics wheels for tractor-drawn, the first in 108 R.A.L since 1938 and others "Régiments".
-the Romanian version, similar with pneumatics and a muzzle-brake, the version was called "105 L modèle 1936 SR", the "R" for "Roumanie".
The three versions were in service in french Army in 1940 and the two versions with pneumatics wheels were also in service after 1945, more 100 guns of the"romanian" version, in various stages of building in Schneider and Saint-Chamond works when France was liberated, were finished in 1945-1948 years

Why the french army used the Romanian version of this gun in 1940? :?
Confiscated guns of initial Romanian order? How many guns were bought by Romania?

Was it kept manufacturing the Romanian version of this gun under German occupation? :? If this was so, for Romania or Germany?

Do you have any wartime image of the 105 L modèle 1936 SR Romanian version?

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by ALVF » 21 Nov 2012, 09:26

Hello,

The 105 L modèle 1936 SR were used by french Army in the last days of the 1940 campaign.
Eight guns, just finished in Saint-Chamond works, are requisitionned and given in Juni 1940 to 104 R.A.L (Régiment d'Artillerie Lourde).
The 23th juni 1940, the german 3 Panzer Division is ordered to take the great towm Grenoble in the Alps mountains.
The germans, too confident, take no much precaution and are stopped in the valley, west of Grenoble ("La Cluse de Voreppe") where french Armée des Alpes had prepared a great ambush and concentrated 8 guns 105 L modèle 1936 SR, 4 guns 155 GPF and many mountain and field guns as well anti-tanks guns.The 3 Panzer Division had heavy losses, tanks included and also 12 aircrafts, imprudently in a field in range of french artillery, were also destroyed.
The german do not entered in Grenoble in 1940!
This is the last success of french Army against germans, only two days before the "Armistice" of 1940.
I have many documents on 105 L modèle 1936 SR but I do not know how to publish photographs on this Forum.
Yours sincerely,
Guy François.

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