Soviet armoured units on Carelian Isthmus in the summer 1944

[Juha Tompuri]

And the same T-34 ”236” (or "238"?) knocked out in Viborg.

I think it too is the "236" but the only visible damage I can see is the missing second roadwheel from the right side of the tank.
http://forum.worldoftanks.ru/index.php? ... t__920#top

Regards, Juha

[Juha Tompuri]

Several tank types and other equipment can be seen at this Yuli Raizman Soviet film from 1944-45:
К вопросу о перемирии с Финляндией.
Läpimurto Kannaksella ja rauhanneuvottelut" (Breakthrough on the Isthmus and the peace negotiations).
Finnish subtitles.



Regards, Juha

[Juha Tompuri]

Pay attention that Sapronov says that this tank belonged to the 1 Tank Brigade, yet I'm not sure that he is right

If I have undrstood correctly, Slava here mentions that the T-34's carrying a tactical numbers 100-199 belonged to the 1 Tank Brigade and the ones with 200-299 belonged to 152:nd Tank Brigade:
http://isl.livejournal.com/458305.html? ... 5#t5720385

Some other tank photos from there:

T-34-76 "151":


Churchill (click the link to see the whole photo):
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i295/ ... 944/11.jpg

IS-2:



KV-1 "630":
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i295/ ... 944/34.jpg

+ http://isl.livejournal.com/458305.html? ... 9#t5726529
For example a BA-10 APC?
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff32 ... 440804.jpg

Regards, Juha

[Esa K]

And the same T-34 ”236” (or "238"?) knocked out in Viborg.

It is rather surprising to see tanks of the 152 Tank Brigade in Vyborg. My understanding is that this unit bypassed Vyborg from the east going to Tammisuo. Pay attention that Sapronov says that this tank belonged to the 1 Tank Brigade, yet I'm not sure that he is right:
http://www.tankfront.ru/ussr/tbr/tbr-f/tbr123f.html

I think it is a tank from 152'nd TBr. cause the tactical number in the 200-serial. And yes, 152 TBr was north east of Viborg heading in the Tammisuo direction, but could some (or ony one) tank have entered the town cause, as I have understood it, there was some rivalry, or a race, between the Soviet units to be the first ones in Viborg?

I think it too is the "236" but the only visible damage I can see is the missing second roadwheel from the right side of the tank

And yes, maybe knocked out was the wrong word, damaged is better in this case.

And thanks Juha for the link to the Raizman film, lots of tanks to see there.


Best regards

Esa K

[Juha Tompuri]

And the same T-34 ”236” (or "238"?) knocked out in Viborg.

It is rather surprising to see tanks of the 152 Tank Brigade in Vyborg. My understanding is that this unit bypassed Vyborg from the east going to Tammisuo. Pay attention that Sapronov says that this tank belonged to the 1 Tank Brigade, yet I'm not sure that he is right:
http://www.tankfront.ru/ussr/tbr/tbr-f/tbr123f.html

I think it is a tank from 152'nd TBr. cause the tactical number in the 200-serial. And yes, 152 TBr was north east of Viborg heading in the Tammisuo direction, but could some (or ony one) tank have entered the town cause, as I have understood it, there was some rivalry, or a race, between the Soviet units to be the first ones in Viborg?

Perhaps "236" not going in to battle, but coming from it?
Or the other way around?

[Art]

Perhaps "236" not going in to battle, but coming from it?
Or the other way around?

The tank was moving this way:

The same place on the streetview nowadays:

Going to repair workshop was possible IMO.

[Juha Tompuri]

Perhaps "236" not going in to battle, but coming from it?
Or the other way around?

The tank was moving this way:

AFAIK the street crossing is correct, but the "236" came and went from and to different direction.
It came from Karjalankatu (Leningradski prospekt) (that is from railway station - Tammisuo direction) and was turning slightly right towards Torkkelinkatu (Prospekt Lenina):

[Art]

AFAIK the street crossing is correct, but the "236" came and went from and to different direction.
It came from Karjalankatu (Leningradski prospekt) (that is from railway station - Tammisuo direction) and was turning slightly right towards Torkkelinkatu (Prospekt Lenina):

Yes, right.

[Juha Tompuri]

Perhaps "236" not going in to battle, but coming from it?
Or the other way around?

The IS-2's queuing (to the opposite direction the "236" came from) to the front or to railway transport away from Viipuri/Vyborg?

[Art]

The IS-2's queuing (to the opposite direction the "236" came from) to the front or to railway transport away from Viipuri/Vyborg?

By the way this photo once again confirms anarchy and confusion in tactical numbers of the 27 Guards Tank Regiment, to which the tank apparently belonged.

[Juha Tompuri]

Some other relevant info & photos at an older thread:
Destroyed IS2 tank in summer 1944

Regards, Juha

[Juha Tompuri]

A BA-10 at Viipuri/Vyborg 1944
http://army.lv/?s=2587&id=0&c=0&p=2

Regards, Juha

[Mangrove]

A BA-10 at Viipuri/Vyborg 1944

Photographed at the same crossroad of Torkkelinkatu and Mannerheiminkatu/Karjalankatu as the other photographs on this thread. Notice the tramways leading to four different directions, the aforementioned crossroad was the only such place in Viipuri.

[Esa Muikku]

Off topic because it is not Soviet armour but at the very same crossing a couple of days before: SA-kuva 155088.

[Esa Muikku]

I would not make any conclusions based on tanks' driving directions in Viipuri. We don't know for sure when the photos were taken (might be taken when the units were withdrawn and collected to Viipuri to wait for transport towards Baltic). Also, after arrival in the city they might have been driving here and there to look for food, fuel or ammo supply points, moving to their designated camping areas,...