Gen.Maj. Siegfried v. Mayer 09.39 - 03.42

[Rossano]

Hello experts
I have doubts about Siegfried v. Mayer´s position/assignement from 1.9.39. I have him from 1.9.39 as Kdr. IR 385, until when ? But I also have his card (Karteikarte) reading "Kdr. IR 344" without date. So my question is, did he at first (from 1.9.39) command IR 385 and then later (when ?) IR 344, or did he command IR 344 already from 1.9.39 instead ?
Thanks, Rossano
N.B.: can You also post a nice photo of him ?
P.S.: is his exact first name Siegfried or Carl-Siegfried ?

[Dieter Zinke]

Carl-Siegfried von Mayer
* 22.09.1886 Dresden
† 25.02.1946 im Speziallager Nr.1 des NKWD/MWD, Mühlberg/Elbe

01.10.1933 Ausbildungsleiter 2, Dresden, beim Landwehrkommandeur Dresden (für Ersatztruppenteile)
26.08.1939 Kommandeur des Infanterie-Regiments 344 (aufgestellt durch den Landwehr-Kommandeur Dresden)
16.03.1942 Führerreserve


Dieter Z.

[Rossano]

Klasse Dieter ! Danke, Rossano

[Heimatschuss]

Hello,

as an aside: Generalmajor Carl Siegfried von Mayer was the brother of Generalmajor Carl Eberhard Paul von Mayer (http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 2#p1285332). Additionally the two were brothers-in-law also. Paul married Elisabeth von Schweinitz in 1911 and Siegfried did the same with her younger sister Lilly von Schweinitz in 1921.
Source:
Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels
Vol. 57; Verlag C. A. Starke; Limburg a.d. Lahn; 1974
pp. 281

Best regards
Torsten

[Rossano]

Hello Torsten
if Siegfried is underlined it surely means that this is his real first name (and Carl as "second" first-name). In this case his correct full name is Siegfried von Mayer (and not Carl-Siegfried von Mayer). Can You confirm that ?
Rgds., Rossano
P.S.: can somebody (Dieter, etc.) post a nice photo of Gen. Paul v. Mayer ? Thanks

[Heimatschuss]

Hi Rossano,

I'm a bit unhappy with your terms 'real' and 'full' as I would use them just the other way round, i.e. for all first names of a person as given in the birth certificate/baptism book. But that may be a case either of personal tastes or of German vs. Italian parlance.

Obviously you've understood the meaning of the underline correctly though. (Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels actually uses spaced letters like 'Carl S i e g f r i e d' to indicate the very part of a first name that was used in everyday life, at least by the family.) Makes sense since in the nobility half a dozen first names for one child are not uncommon, sometimes there are even more. Of course in everyday use (as family life is) hardly anyone is going to rattle down the complete list of first names when calling for one person, especially when it's a child. Instead one (or maybe two) of them is/are picked out to become the first name someone is called with. So to say an abridged version, a 'calling name'.

So to his family Carl Siegfried von Mayer was generally known as 'Siegfried von Mayer' although I'm sure all adults in the wider family wouldn't have had any difficulty to pass on a letter addressed to 'Carl Siegfried v. Mayer' to the person they commonly referred to as 'Siegfried von Mayer'.

Best regards
Torsten

[Rossano]

Hello Torsten
To me it´s a very simple precision problem. When I find a name to register in my computer data bank I always try to get the correct official first name. I know that many officers have more first names (Carl Paul Siegfried or others) but if one is underlined that´s it for me and I exclude the others. If none is underlined I have to find out which one is the official correct first name. In case of von Mayer if both Carl-Siegfried were underlined I would register him as "Mayer, Carl-Siegfried von" but as only Siegfried is underlined I register him as "Mayer, Siegfried von". This is important because if I have to search (among hundreds of thousands officers names I have in my computer) for a "certain" Mayer, Siegfried von" I don´find/get him if he is registered under Mayer Carl-Siegfried von. Apart that, my aim is precision.
Friendly, Rossano

[iggy88]

According to HPA PV, Oberst (E) v. Mayer was posted "zu den aktiven Truppenoffizieren" with a rank of Oberst mit Wirkung vom 01 Jun 1941 and RDA vom 01 Jan 1938 (27). Does anyone know when he was promoted to Oberst (E)?

[Georges JEROME]

Carl-Siegfried von Mayer was Feldkommandant 533 (Troyes) from 10.12.42 - 8.43

[Rudolf44]

Hello,

Does anyone know when he was promoted to Oberst (E)?

He was promoted on 01.01.1938 (1)

Regards
Rudolf

[iggy88]

Thank you, Rudolf.

[Dieter Zinke]

Carl Siegfried von Mayer
* 22.09.1886 Dresden
† 25.02.1946 im Speziallager Nr.1 des NKWD/MWD, Mühlberg/Elbe

Frühj. 1906 Fahnenjunker
01.11.1906 Fähnrich
19.08.1907 Leutnant (Pat. 19.02.106)
20.02.1914 Oberleutnant
04.06.1915 Hauptmann (ohne Patent)
01.10.1920 Patent als Hauptmann (18.12.1915)
01.11.1928 Major
01.02.1933 Oberstleutnant
01.10.1933 Oberstleutnant (E)
01.01.1938 Oberst (E) (1)
01.06.1941 Oberst mit RDA vom 01.01.1938 (27)
20.04.1943 Generalmajor (Pat. 01.04.1943)

Eltern: Geheimer Oberregierungsrat Dr. iur. Carl von Mayer & Olga geb. von Schlieben. Siegfried von Mayer ist der ältere Bruder von Generalmajor Carl Eberhard Paul von Mayer. Auch ihre Frauen sind Schwestern

Frühjahr 1906 Eintritt in das Grenadier-Regiment Nr. 101 “Kaiser Wilhelm, König von Preußen“ (2. Königlich Sächsisches), Dresden
1911 - 1914 Adjutant des I. Bataillons des Grenadier-Regiments Nr. 101
18.12.1915 Chef der 9. Kompanie des Grenadier-Regiments Nr. 101
00.09.1916 erkrankt, Aufenthalt in der Heimat
Kompaniechef und Bataillons-Führer
01.10.1919 Adjutant der Kommandantur des Truppenübungsplatzes Königsbrück/Sachsen
01.10.1920 Kompanie-Chef 16./Infanterie-Regiment 10, Dresden
01.05.1925 Kompanie-Chef 6./Infanterie-Regiment 10, Bautzen
00.00.1927 beim Stab des Ausbildungs-Bataillons/Infanterie-Regiment 10, Löbau
Ausbildungsleiter (Dresden 2) unter Landwehrkommandeur Dresden
00.00.1930 beim Stab des III./Infanterie-Regiment 10, Freiberg/Sachsen
01.10.1933 zu den Ersatzoffizieren überführt
01.10.1933 Ausbildungsleiter 2, Dresden, beim Landwehrkommandeur Dresden (für Ersatztruppenteile)
26.08.1939 Kommandeur des Infanterie-Regiments 344 (aufgestellt durch den Landwehr-Kommandeur Dresden)
01.06.1941 zu den aktiven Offizieren überführt
16.03.1942 Führerreserve
01.06.1942 Kommandeur des Infanterie-Regiments 575
15.10.1942 Kommandeur des Grenadier-Regiments 575 (Umbenennung)
20.10.1942 Führerreserve
05.11.1942 kommandiert zum Militärbefehlshaber in Frankreich
10.12.1942 Kommandant der Feldkommandantur 533 (FK 533) - für das Department Aube zuständig - im Militärverwaltungsbezirk C, Troyes
12.08.1943 Führerreserve
31.01.1944 Abschied
00.11.1945 von Russen verschleppt
25.02.1946 als Kriegsgefangener im berüchtigten russischen Speziallager Nr.1 des NKWD/MWD Mühlberg (bei Bad Liebenwerda/Elbe) elendig zu Tode gekommen

Heirat am 12.01.1921 mit Lilly geb. von Schweinitz
Seine Schwägerin Elisabeth geb. von Schweinitz, die 1911 seinen Bruder Paul heiratet, ist die ältere Schwester seiner Frau


EK II und I
31.10.1914 Kgl Sächs. Albrechtsorden Ritterkreuz 2. Klasse mit Schwertern (SAR2x)
25.05.1916 Kgl Sächs. Albrechtsorden Ritterkreuz 1. Klasse mit Schwertern (SAR1x)
Spangen zum EK II und I
KVK II und I mS


Dieter Z.

[graveland]

Thank you very much, dear Dieter!

[hughiec]

This bio from Dieter has Siegfried von Mayer's date of birth as 22.09.1886 Dresden. Other sources (e.g.Feldgrau) have his younger brother Paul von Mayer's d.o.b. as 18.3.1887 Dresden. Is that possible?!
Also I think Paul commanded Infanterie-Regiment 575 and not Siegfried.
Does anyone have a full bio of Paul?
Regards
Hughiec

[Rossano]

Hello
From Pauls Karteikarte : "geb. 18.10.87", also no IR 575
From Siegfrieds Karteikarte : "IR 575" (like Dieters bio above).
This means that Keilig and others are wrong (reporting Paul commanding IR 575)
Rgds.