This is not correct.Scott Smith wrote:The engine at Sobibor was gasoline but the engines at Belzec and Treblinka were diesel.Was this Gasolene or Diesel engine ?
Some time ago I had a look at some of the eyewitness and documentary evidence to find out where what "Revisionist" guru Friedrich Paul Berg calls the "myth within a myth" comes from. The results were the following:
1. Gas vans used by the Einsatzgruppen in the occupied territories of the Soviet Union
Dr. Widmann: No mention of type of engine (Kogon/Langbein/Rückerl et al, Nationalsozialistische Massentötungen durch Giftgas, pages 81 and following)
Rauff: No mention of type of engine (Kogon et al, as above, page 82)
Pradel: No mention of type of engine (Kogon et al, as above, page 82)
Wentritt: No mention of type of engine (Kogon et al, as above, page 83)
Leidig: Doesn’t mention type of engine. (Kogon et al, as above, pages 83 and following)
Just (letter to Rauff of 5 June 1942): No mention of type of engine (Kogon et al, as above, pages 84 and following)
Gniewuch: No mention of type of engine (Kogon et al, as above, pages 87, 90, 91)
Trühe: No mention of type of engine (Kogon et al, as above, page 87)
Mendel Vulfovich: No mention of type of engine (Kogon et al, as above, page 88 )
Adolf Rübe: No mention of type of engine (Kogon et al, as above, page 89)
Zalman Levinbuck: Gasoline engine (Kogon et al, as above, page 91)
My translation:Unter den Lastwagen gibt es riesige mit hermetisch verschließbaren Türen … Diese luftdicht geschlossenen Wagen werden ‘dushegubky’ genannt, was auf russisch ‘Seelentöter’ heißt. Sie bringen bereits tote Menschen heran, die man nicht mehr erschießen muß. Die Menschen werden unterwegs vergiftet durch Gase und Abgasdämpfe, die durch das Verbrennen von Benzin im Motor entstanden sind. Denn diese Abgase werden durch ein spezielles Rohr ins Wageninnere geleitet, anstatt, wie normalerweise, frei an die Luft zu entweichen; und so werden die Menschen durch das Kohlenmonoxyd getötet.
Chugunov: No mention of type of engine (Kogon et al, as above, page 91)Among the trucks there were giant one with doors that closed hermetically.... These hermetically closed vans are called ‘dushegubky’, which in Russian means ‘soul killer’. They already bring along dead people who don’t have to be shot anymore. The people are poisoned during the drive by gases and exhaust fumes that are created by the combustion of gasoline in the motor.[my emphasis] This because the exhaust is led through a special valve into the inside of the van instead of freely vanishing into the air as it normally would, and thus the people are killed by the carbon monoxide.
Boris Dobin: No mention of type of engine (Kogon et al, as above, pages 91 and following)
Lauer: No mention of type of engine (Kogon et al, as above, page 93)
Bauer: No mention of type of engine (Kogon et al, as above, page 93)
Willi Friedrich: No mention of type of engine (Kogon et al, as above, pages 94 and following)
Wilhelm Findeisen: No mention of type of engine (Kogon et al, as above, page 95)
Robert Mohr: No mention of type of engine (Kogon et al, as above, page 96)
Ljudmila Nazarevskaya: No mention of type of engine (Kogon et al, as above, page 97)
Kotov: No mention of type of engine (Kogon et al, as above, page 101 and following)
Paul Zapp: No mention of type of engine (Kogon et al, as above, pages 104 and following)
Johannes Schlupper: No mention of type of engine (Kogon et al, as above, pages 105 and following)
Eugenia Ostrovec: No mention of type of engine (Kogon et al, as above, pages 106 and following)
2. Gas vans used in Yugoslavia and Eastern Poland
Dr. Harald Turner (letter to Wolff of 11 April 1942): No mention of type of engine (Kogon et al, as above, pages 107 and following)
Hedwig Schönfein: No mention of type of engine (Kogon et al, as above, page 108)
Benno Goldbrand: No mention of type of engine (Kogon et al, as above, page 109)
3. Gas vans used at Chelmno
Walter Burmeister: Gasoline engine (Kogon et al, as above, pages 115, 123 and following, 125 and following, 129 and following)
My translation:[…]Die Wagen waren mittelschwere Renault-Lastwagen mit Ottomotor. Sie ließen sich schlecht fahren, weil sie nicht einen so großen Wendekreis hatten. Der zeitweise hinzugekommene dritte Wagen war wohl ein schwerer. Die Wagen hatten Kastenaufbau mit einer großen Zweiflügeltür an der Rückseite, ähnlich wie Möbelwagen.[…]
Johann H. and Johann P. before the Vienna County: No mention of type of engine (Kogon et al, as above, pages 116 and following)[...]The vans were medium size Renault trucks with Otto engines.[my emphasis] They were hard to drive because they didn’t have so big a turning circle. The temporarily added third van must have been a heavy one. The vans had a box-like buildup with a big two-wing door at the back side, similar to furniture vans.[...]
Kurt Möbius: No mention of type of engine (Kogon et al, as above, pages 122 and following)
Wilfried Heukelbach: No mention of type of engine (Kogon et al, as above, pages 124 and following)
Gustav Laabs: No mention of type of engine (Kogon et al, as above, pages 126 and following)
Walter Piller: Gasoline engine (Kogon et al, as above, pages 138 and following)
.[...]Während der Fahrt wurde durch den Kraftfahrer Laabs ein Ventil geöffnet, durch welches Gas einströmte, welches die Insassen in 2-3 Minuten tötete. Hierbei handelte es sich um Gase, die durch den Benzinmotor erzeugt wurden.[...]
My translation:
.[...]During the drive the driver Laabs opened a valve, through which gas streamed in, which killed those inside within 2-3 minutes. These were gases that had been created by the gasoline motor.[my emphasis][...]
4. Gas chambers of Belzec extermination camp
Karl Alfred Schluch: No mention of type of engine (Kogon et al, as above, pages 167 and following)
Gerstein: diesel engine (Kogon et al, as above, pages 171 and following)
Pfannenstiel: No mention of type of engine. Speaks of a 100 BHP motor that was run with diesel fuel ("Er wurde mit Dieselkraftstoff betrieben")
Reder: gasoline engine
Source of quote:Christopher Browning wrote:[…]Gerstein, citing Globocnik, claimed the camps used diesel motors, but witnesses who actually serviced the engines in Belzec and Sobibor (Reder and Fuchs) spoke of gasoline engines.[…]
http://www.holocaustdenialontrial.com/e ... .asp#5.4.5
5. Gas chambers of Sobibor extermination camp
Fuchs: gasoline engine. See Kogon et al, as above, pages 158 and following and Browning, as above. Translation of Fuchs’ deposition:
Testimony of SS Scharfuhrer Erich Fuchs, in the Sobibor-Bolender trial, Dusseldorf: (Quoted in "BELZEC, SOBIBOR, TREBLINKA - the Operation Reinhard Death Camps", Indiana University Press - Yitzhak Arad, 1987, p. 31-32). .....We unloaded the motor. It was a heavy Russian benzine engine, at least 200 horsepower.[my emphasis] We installed the engine on a concrete foundation and set up the connection between the exhaust and the tube. I then tested the motor. It did not work. I was able to repair the ignition and the valves, and the motor finally started running. The chemist, who I knew from Belzec, entered the gas chamber with measuring instruments to test the concentration of the gas. Following this, as gassing experiment was carried out. If my memory serves me right, about thirty to forty women were gassed in one gas chamber. The Jewish women were forced to undress in an open place close to the gas chamber, and were driven into the gas chamber by the above mentioned SS members and the Ukrainian auxiliaries. when the women were shut up in the gas chamber I and Bolender set the motor in motion. The motor functioned first in neutral. Both of us stood by the motor and switched from "Neutral" (Freiauspuff) to "Cell" (Zelle), so that the gas was conveyed to the chamber. At the suggestion of the chemist, I fixed the motor on a definite speed so that it was unnecessary henceforth to press on the gas. About ten minutes later the thirty to forty women were dead.
Source of quote:
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp ... /fuchs.t01
6. Gas chambers of Treblinka extermination camp
Central Commission for the Investigation of German Crimes in Poland, based on the testimonials of Jankiel Wiernik, Henryk Poswolski, Abe Kon, Aron Czechowicz, Oskar Strawczynski, Samuel Reisman, Aleksander Kudlik, Hejnoch Brener, Starisław Kon, Eugeniusz Turowski, Henryk Reichman, Szyja Warszawsski, and Leon Finkelsztejn: No mention of the type of engine.
Source of quote:The aspect of the chambers in which victims were gasssed, according to statements by the witnesses Wiernik, Rajchman and Czechowicz, was as follows: Both buildings had many corridors, within the larger building the entrances to the chambers being on both sides of the corridor, but in the smaller one on one side only. The entrances were small and had tightly closing doors. In the outer wall’s of the chambers were large trap doors which could be raised in order to permit the removal of the corpses. The chambers had tiled floors, sloping towards the outer side. In the ceiling were openings connected by pipes with engines situated in adjoining buildings, which produced the CO gas with which the victims were suffocated.
http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/genocide/gcpoltreb1.htm
Ya’akov Wiernik at the Eichmann trial: No mention of type of engine.
Source of quote:[…]Q. Where did the gas enter?
A. That is in the sketch. Here was the gas engine, the engine which forced the gas in. And there were pipes with valves. They would open the valve into the chamber where the people were. There was an engine of a Soviet tank standing there, and in this way the gas was introduced. Here were the doors where people entered from one side, and, on the other, this was the large door which opened along almost the entire wall. And, after forty to forty-five minutes had passed, they would stop, they would open the door, and the dead bodies would fall out. And here was a spare engine next to the three. Numbers 1, 2, 3 and 26 were the engines that generated the electricity, and there, too, there was a motor.
Q. I understand from this that the gas was produced on the spot, or was it brought in ready-made from outside?
A. The gas was produced on the spot.[…]
http://www.ukar.org/eichma02.shtml
Eliahu Rosenberg at the Eichmann trial: No mention of type of engine. Speaks of "Ropa, which was a kind of oil, a crude oil" as having been the fuel they put into the gassing engine. This does not necessarily mean that the engine itself was a diesel engine, however.
Source of quote:[…]Q. Where did the gas come from?
A. The gas came from an engine.
Q. They did not bring it from outside — it was produced on the spot?
A. It was Ropa — Ropa gas.
Q. Was it manufactured by an engine, from the exhaust of a diesel engine?
A. Yes. It was gas from an engine. They put in Ropa, which was a kind of oil, a crude oil, and the fumes entered the gas chambers. The people who were the last to enter the gas chambers, the very last, received stabs in the bodies from the bayonets, since the last persons already saw what was going on inside and did not want to enter. Four hundred people were put into one small gas chamber. And when they forced them in, they, on their part, pressed inwards and in this way reached the full capacity, so that only with difficulty could the outer door of the chamber be shut.[…]
http://www.ukar.org/eichma02.shtml
Otto Horn before the United States District Court for the Northern District of Ohio, 26 February 1980: No mention of type of engine. See transcription of interrogation protocol under
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/h/hor ... n-004.html )
Adolf Eichmann: No mention of type of engine.
Source of quote:[…]Höfle told the police captain to explain the installation to me. And then he started in. He had a, well, let's say, a vulgar, uncultivated voice. Maybe he drank. He spoke some dialect from the southwestern corner of Germany, and he told me how he had made everything airtight. It seems they were going to hook up a Russian submarine engine and pipe the exhaust into the houses and the Jews inside would be poisoned.[…]
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/e/eic ... n-004.html
Rudolf Höß: No mention of type of engine.
Pavel Vladimirovich Leleko before the Fourth Department of the "SMERSH" Directorate of Counterintelligence of the Second Belorussian Front: diesel engine.[…]The camp commandant at Treblinka told me that he had liquidated 80,000 in the course of half a year. He was principally concerned with liquidating all the Jews from the Warsaw ghetto. He used monoxide gas and I did not think that his methods were very efficient.[…]
[…]The road from the undressing rooms, fenced on both sides by barbed wire intertwined with branches led to the gas chamber building where people were exterminated with gas obtained from running diesel engines.[…]
Source of quote:
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp ... leleko.001
Nikolai Petrovich Malagon, interrogated in Zaporozh'ye, March 18, 1978: diesel engine
Source of quote:[…]Pipes carrying exhaust gas from running diesel motors were installed in the gas chambers and the people inside perished.[…]
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp ... alagon.001
7. The impression conveyed by the above collection of depositions is the following:
a) Most witnesses to gassings with engine exhaust don’t mention the type of engine at all.
b) Those who do mention it casually, without making a big deal out of it.
c) Regarding the gas vans, the only depositions mentioning the type of engine expressly speak of gasoline engines.
d) Regarding Sobibor, the only deposition that addresses the type of engine expressly mentions a gasoline engine.
e) Regarding Belzec, the only deposition expressly mentioning a diesel engine is that of Gerstein, and outsider who, according to Browning, didn’t see the engine himself. Another outside observer, Pfannenstiel, speaks of an engine running on diesel fuel, which doesn’t necessarily mean that the engine itself was a diesel engine, see below. Of the depositions of camp insiders, one (Schluch) doesn’t mention the type of engine at all and the other (Reder) speaks of a gasoline engine.
f) Of the depositions regarding Treblinka, only two mention the type of engine, and these speak of a diesel engine. Both come from former Ukrainian camp guards not involved in the operation of the gassing engine, and neither is detailed enough to establish whether the witnesses based their descriptions on features they observed themselves or on what they heard from others, making it impossible to assess the accuracy of their statements. The depositions of the witnesses who testified before the Central Commission for the Investigation of German Crimes in Poland seem to have left the type of engine unmentioned or to have been inconclusive in this respect, or then the Commission didn’t consider this detail worth mentioning. Eichmann and Höß do not mention the type of engine, and they obviously didn’t see the engine but described it after what they heard from others. The depositions of Wiernik and Rosenberg at the Eichmann trial and the deposition of Horn before the Ohio District Court, on the other hand, are based on what the witnesses saw themselves and constitute the most detailed descriptions of the gassing device among those collected. Neither of these two descriptions clearly points towards one or the other type of engine, however. Rosenberg’s statement that the engine ran with "Ropa", a Polish term for rock oil or diesel oil, makes it possible that what he considered to have been the gassing engine was a diesel engine. It is equally possible, however, that the engine was a gasoline engine run on diesel fuel for gassing purposes, or that Rosenberg confounded the gassing engine, which was a gasoline engine running on gasoline, with one of a number of diesel engines used to generate electricity for the camp.
g) At any rate, there is no such thing as a convergence of eyewitness testimonials on the use of diesel engines, nor did any of the witnesses seem to have given any significance to the detail what type of engine was used. Thus the diesel engine "myth within a myth" that Berg makes such a fuss about seems to be little other than a windmill he built himself in order to have something to furiously race against. One of the many such paper dragons the valiant "Revisionist" dragon slayers like to impress their gullible followers with.