How did that Polish-German atrocity discussion turn out?

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How did that Polish-German atrocity discussion turn out?

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Post by Rob S. » 22 Aug 2002, 20:37

Yeah, 5 years later and I'm back.

The last I recall of that discussion was arguments against the only online source I could find. I did not trust it's obvious prejudice either, and I feel stupid that I could not emphasise that before my ISP bummed out. :oops:

I wanted to look for sources and/or quotes on the subject, however doubtful it may be on those kinds of sites. Either way, the search for references to this subject are sort of inconclusive otherwise.

Anyway, my own research has provided plenty of quotations of such atrocities, but I have never come first hand account, which pretty much makes the theory of the 39' Danzig atrocities useless. Unless you guys came across something else in my absense, I will consider the alleged Polo-German atrocities nothing but propaganda.

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Post by Davey Boy » 23 Aug 2002, 12:28

What are you talking about? :|


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Post by Rob S. » 23 Aug 2002, 14:46

YOU DON'T remember me? Oh well, all is gone and forgotten. Maybe the reverand remembers me..... 8O

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Post by Benoit Douville » 25 Aug 2002, 01:03

The Poles atrocity against the Germans at the end of World War II is such nonsence. Still looking for serious research on that subject...

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Post by Rob S. » 25 Aug 2002, 01:37

Not at the end of the war, the beginning, at Danzig to be more accurate. I don' think it's true either, but apparently alot of german soldiers did.

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Post by Benoit Douville » 25 Aug 2002, 01:49

I found this link but i think it's propaganda.I would like to hear HETMAN comments on that:

http://www.jrbooksonline.com/polish_atr ... htm#danzig

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Post by Rob S. » 25 Aug 2002, 02:01

I would like to get HaEn's input on this. Surely he must have heard about it as it was definately publically advertised.

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Post by Richard Miller » 25 Aug 2002, 03:35

Benoit Douville wrote:The Poles atrocity against the Germans at the end of World War II is such nonsence. Still looking for serious research on that subject...
http://www.usajewish.com/scripts/usaj/p ... cleID=1014

AVENGING ANGEL OR WAR CRIMINAL?


Polish man to be prosecuted for systematic killing of Germans after WW2

Trial sparks debate on Poles' postwar sins

PRAGUE - The trial of a 78-year-old Pole accused of killing thousands of German civilians in the aftermath of the Second World War is set to become the first in a series of court cases in which Germans are seen as the victims, instead of the perpetrators, of Nazi-related crimes. The trial, scheduled to begin early next year in the Polish city of Opole, has created a furor over a part of history Poland would like to ignore.
Czeslaw Geborski, the accused, is said to have systematically raped, tortured and murdered German civilians while serving as commandant of the Lambinowice concentration camp in Silesia, where Germans living in the region were interned after the war. Frantiszek Lewandowski, one of the prosecutors, said, "The main charge we are bringing against him is that he ordered a building in the camp to be burned down, killing 48 people. As people tried to escape the flames, he shot them or had them flung back inside."
The concentration camp was built by the Nazis to house Allied prisoners of war. For most Poles, it is inextricably associated with wartime atrocities committed by the Germans. The trial is set to reverse those roles and portray a Pole as the villain, something unacceptable to many who lived through the German occupation and the deaths of about three million civilian Polish Jews and three million non-Jewish Poles through bombings and concentration camps.
(National Post Online)


Then there’s this little ditty

In 1998, Poland asked Israel to extradite Solomon Morel, a Polish Jew allegedly responsible for atrocities when he commanded a camp at Swietochlowice in southern Poland. Israel refused, saying that the statute of limitations had run out and that the charges failed to meet the definition of genocide under Israeli law.

Here is a link that you can read at your leisure regarding the above Solomon Morel.

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Se ... h15aa.html



Polish Jewish relations aren't that good either, it seems.

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Se ... 4/h12.html

POLISH History
February 25, 1999

Feb. 25, 1999 Demonstration

A dramatic confrontation took place between Jewish agitators and concerned Christians in midtown Manhattan on the eve of the Jewish Feast of Purim, giving passers-by a first hand glimpse of the religious war that has been taking place in the corridors of power for most of this century.

Across the street from the Polish Consulate stood a phalanx of fashionably dressed Jews holding large sheets of colored cardboard bearing slogans condemning Holocaust Revisionism and Polish anti-Semitism. Several of their number took turns speaking into a sound system condemning Poles for not obeying Pope John Paul II and his directives that Catholics adopt a conciliatory attitude towards Jews and remove the crosses "from Auschwitz" per the Jews' demands.

On the opposite side of the street, at the entrance to the Consulate, stood a group of concerned Christians of numerous ethnicities, gathered together by Poles who were galvanized by the publicity generated by the Jews. Many of these Poles suffered much at the hands of the Jews who ran the Communist Party in Poland and still maintain their power base there.

A group, calling itself Shalom International, staged another one of its protests in front of the Polish Consulate in New York City at 5:30 PM, Feb. 25, 1999. This was the latest in a series of such protests calling for economic sanctions against Poland unless the Polish Government removes the memorial crosses honoring the Christian victims of totalitarianism recently placed in the Auschwitz town gravel yard, the scene of mass executions of Polish Christians during WWII. Sanctions are also demanded unless the Catholic Church at Birkenau is razed lest any visual reference to Christianity offend Jews and their claims of Holocaust exclusivity. The World Jewish Congress has demanded that no evidence of a Christian presence be visible from the vicinity of former Concentration Camps, because the Jews blame Christianity for the "Holocaust" and Christian symbols are thus supremely odious to Jews.

This demonstration was scheduled for the eve of the Jewish Holiday Purim, linking the Holocaust to the story of Esther and the desire of Nazi "Hamans" to destroy the Jews. The demonstrators claimed that the Poles seeking to commemorate the suffering and deaths of Christians were just as bad as Haman and the Nazis, because the presence of crosses so close to the symbol of their "Shoah" was murdering the memory of the Jews who died there.

Jews have also been putting a peculiarly Polish spin on the biblical story of Esther, claiming a parallel in Polish history. In recent decades Jewish children have been taught that the Polish King Casimir the Great was about to oppress the Jews living in Poland until he was charmed out of this course of action by his Jewish mistress, coincidentally named Esther.

The response to all of this is, what about the memory of all the East European Christians killed as a result of Zionist expansionism hidden behind a plethora of other political "isms", the most notable being Communism. Not only have the Jews killed scores of millions of people who have stood in their way but they have systematically concealed their crimes and eradicated any knowledge of their victims. In the grand scheme of things, Jewish crimes against humanity far exceed those of the Nazis' and it is the Jews who are murdering the memory of their victims and not the other way around.

As tensions mounted, the Polish/concerned Christian coalition produced signs that demanded accountability and responsibility from the Zionist/Judeo- Imperialist forces that have bloodied the East European landscape for so long. In as succint a manner as possible, the signs questioned the moral right and authority of any Jews to impose their will on Poland much less the right to maintain any physical presence there; or even to exploit their historical ties to the area. The heinous crimes committed by Jews as a political entity have stripped them of any standing as forgers of public policy.

A sample of some of the texts on the signs carried by those defending Poland and Christianity:

JEWS KILLED 3 MILLION POLES, THE *REAL* HOLOCAUST.
JEWS KILLED 100 MILLION SLAVS AND EAST EUROPEANS, THE *REAL* HOLOCAUST.

JEWISH KAPOS RAN THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS, JEWISH GENERALS RAN HITLER'S ARMY,

JEWISH BANKERS RAN THE REICH.

YAFFA ELIACH LIES, AVI WEISS LIES, ELIE WIESEL LIES, SIMON WIESENTHAL LIES,

STEVEN SPIELBERG LIES.

HOLOCAUST MYTHS HIDE JEWISH CRIMES.

CURTAINS FOR $HOAH BUSINESS.

ZIONIST BEASTS HANDS OFF POLAND.

GET YOUR ASHES OUT OF POLAND.

BRING JEWISH MASS MURDERERS TO JUSTICE, EXTRADITE: SHLOMO MOREL, RENEE WOLINSKA, STEFAN MICHNIK AND THOUSANDS MORE LIKE THEM.

UNDER ORDERS OF THE JEW BERIA MORE POLES WERE MURDERED AT KATYN THAN JEWS WERE MURDERED AT AUSCHWITZ.

THE JEWS: MARX, LENIN, ENGELS, BERIA, CAUSED THE DEATHS OF MANY TIMES MORE PEOPLE THAN THE "OFFICIAL" HOLOCAUST DEATH COUNT.

VICTIMS OF JUDEO-IMPERIALIST CRIMES DEMAND JUSTICE AND COMPENSATION.

ONLY POLES WERE INTERNED IN AUSCHWITZ DURING ITS FIRST TWO YEARS - NO JEWS.

THE CHURCH NEAR BIRKENAU NOW. THE CHURCH IN DACHAU NEXT ?

STOP THE LIES, STOP THE CULTURAL GENOCIDE.



Materials handed out to onlookers were information concerning the $1,OOO,OOO reward offered for those who would bring the mass murderer, torturer Solomon Morel to trial. Morel is now living in retirement in Israel where he teaches Israelis how to torture Palestinians.

Other hand-outs included information about the Jews who had the highest ranks in Hitler's Army, including Field Marshalls, Generals and Major Generals - some of whom were known to have professed their religion openly with the approval of other Nazis.

Information about the High Ranking Nazi involvement in transporting the Lubavitcher Rebbe Joseph Schneershon, and his entourage to the U.S. was also distributed.

The rather astounding nature of the placards carried by defenders of Poland and Christianity literally stopped pedestrians in their tracks on their rush hour dash for home. The Consulate side of East 37th Street took on the character of a 1960s "teach in" as curious commuters wanted to find out exactly what the counter demonstrators were doing and more to the point - representing. From the opposite side of the street Jews intensified their demands that people pay no attention to "those anti-Semites standing in front of the Consulate".

In a way it is fortunate that most of the Polish people counter demonstrating did not have as sophisticated knowledge of English as necessary to understand the subtle nuances of insults that were being hurled at them by the Jews from across the street non stop. Those with fluent command of English were surrounded by astonished and curious pedestrians. Thank goodness, Americans of other ethnic backgrounds were available to answer questions from spectators. Many have woken up to the erosion of Christian dogma and values as influenced by Jewish sources and are alarmed at the attacks on Catholicism in weak, defenseless, battered, defamed and isolated Poland. They have a genuine fear of the resulting domino effect once the weakest members of the family of nations are successfully disenfranchised and the core of their culture is obliterated.

The antics of the Jewish agitators did have a rather bizarre comic quality. It was interesting to see a group of people who looked like their life's work was to give the appearance that they just walked out of the pages of Vanity Fair or Town and Country adopt the cloying manipulative posturings of spoiled bratty juveniles using a loudspeaker. The sound blaring our of the amplifier was one gigantic aural pout !

First the Jews whined about how wayward and disobedient the Poles were as far as Catholicism goes in that they were violating the wishes of the Pope and Church hierarchy for Poles to respect and honor the Jews' demands. Then, the Jews complained that the Polish Government had not forcibly demolished the crosses and church and demanded economic sanctions against Poland until the government does their bidding. They frequently repeated the old canard that most of the prisoners in Auschwitz were Jewish and therefore were most of the victims. According to the Jews, therefore, the counter demonstrators had no right to question the Jewish demands or even be engaged in the face off that was taking place.

The Jews kept telling pedestrians not to pay any attention to the anti- Semites standing in fron of the Consulate. The words the Jews used to describe the counter demonstrators escalated from anti-Semite to Skinhead (which prompted a chuckle from the respectably dressed middle aged and elderly counter demonstrators), to neo-Nazis, to the ultimate anathema.... Holocaust Revisionists !

Despite the police presence, the Jews kept sending over swarms of men with cameras to photograph each of the counter demonstrators from every angle and at close range (within a foot). Most of the people from Poland had already endured torture and/or intimidation at the hands of Jews, so this harrassment tactic had none of the desired effect, and the elderly Poles dumbfounded their photographers by exchanging social pleasantries. Had they understood the English rhetoric with which they were being patronizingly besmirched by the Jews over the sound system, I doubt they would have been so pleasant, considering the revictimization to which they were being subjected.

The Police escort that had been assigned to the Jews when they were granted their demonstration permit, then demanded that the Poles and other Christians disperse because they had no permit to counter demonstrate. The organizers of the counter demonstration contacted the Community Relations officer of the 17th Precinct as how they were to proceed with counter demonstrating because safety was their concern. The Community Relations officer simply told them to show up and make themselves known to the police. This might have been deliberate misinformation in order to give the Jews leverage in removing counter demonstrators, but nevertheless the point had been brought home to the man in the street and the Polish/Christian counter demonstration did attract members of the mainstream media.

-- Edmund Rucinski, PAPUREC, N.Y.C., N.Y. -- END.

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Post by Rob S. » 25 Aug 2002, 08:30

I have no doubt that the Israelis are biased on ww2 retribution, but that is nothing new. There are plenty of Americans who don't care to put the Afghan Free fighters on trial for suffocating hundreds of Taliban prisoners.

I suppose then, according to your reasoning, we are as evil as the Islamic extremists make us out to be.

I suppose when a Jew runs a successful business he is an example of greed, or when a Jew comes to political power he is a dictator. Gees, the way you make things sound it seems as though they can't live a life or succeed.

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Post by Poxsellis » 25 Aug 2002, 11:59

Benoit Douville wrote:I found this link but i think it's propaganda.I would like to hear HETMAN comments on that:

http://www.jrbooksonline.com/polish_atr ... htm#danzig

It always seems to be difficult, to accept the atrocities from the own side, but it's much easier to blame the enemy for his guilt.

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Post by Poxsellis » 25 Aug 2002, 12:01

Interesting facts, Richard. Thank's for!

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Post by Richard Miller » 25 Aug 2002, 14:24

Rob S. wrote:I have no doubt that the Israelis are biased on ww2 retribution, but that is nothing new. There are plenty of Americans who don't care to put the Afghan Free fighters on trial for suffocating hundreds of Taliban prisoners.

I suppose then, according to your reasoning, we are as evil as the Islamic extremists make us out to be.

I suppose when a Jew runs a successful business he is an example of greed, or when a Jew comes to political power he is a dictator. Gees, the way you make things sound it seems as though they can't live a life or succeed.
The above article is not my reasoning, it was copied from a Polish based website from which I provided the link.
Perhaps you should address your comments to them.

What are your thoughts on the extradition of Morel?
Were his crimes any less contemtable than the Nazi's?
It would appear that the Israeli refusal to extradite Morel shows that Israel is more concerned about protecting on of their own, than healing old war wounds.
Imagine the outrage if Polish agents kidnapped Morel, as the Mossad kidnapped Eichmann.

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Post by Marcus » 25 Aug 2002, 15:02

This is going nowhere pleasant.

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