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Ruptured Ducks?

Postby stevo4361 on 13 Oct 2004 04:56

Hi everybody,
Was wondering what a WW2 ruptured duck would be worth? Or were the pin, screwback and buttonhole versions even issued in WW2 or were they just the sewed on insignia? German is more my area, but would like to know, cause I have 3 of them.

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Postby stevo4361 on 13 Oct 2004 06:37

Here's some pics, if thats any help. Any comments guys? Or any history you know about them, would be greatly appreciated.

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Postby thunderw21 on 13 Oct 2004 17:36

The ruptured duck on the left there is the kind I see all the time, usually priced several dollars. I don't know about the navy one, but probably the same. Buttonhole and screw-on ones were used during WW2 I believe, as one of my WW2 uniforms has them on it. For the history, go here:

http://www.therupturedduck.com/WebPages ... whatis.htm

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Postby stevo4361 on 14 Oct 2004 22:04

Thanks man,
Sounds like they were pretty common, but why did they also have the patch sewn on too? Were returning soldiers given the pin and the patch, or seperatly depending on their situation? I've seen a few patches sewn on to uniforms, but never the pin.

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PS-Do the US buttons look right? Why no gold left on them?
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Postby thunderw21 on 15 Oct 2004 02:42

Originally, ruptured ducks were made out of metal but because of a metal shortage, a plastic version was make. This is also the reason for the cloth version. The most common type of ruptured duck that I've seen is the cloth type, I've never seen a plastic one. I believe everyone with an honorable discharge was given a pin, since these were used as lapel pins and cufflinks by veterans. Take a look here:

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.c ... red%20duck

I don't know about the U.S. buttons, I'll have to do more reasearch.

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Postby stevo4361 on 15 Oct 2004 05:34

Hey,
Haha sounds like we are actually starting to make somewhat of a thread here eh? I appreciate your research, learned a lot already. All 3 are metal in make, and the Naval Res. and Navy ones have makers marks. About the buttons, I think they were supposed to be on the collar of the jacket, but could be way off there, will do some research on it tomorrow. I meant to ask you earlier, on your Vietnam helmet, is it with the fiberglass liner? I have one, and was wondering how the chin straps work? they are in, its just that each "strap" on either side has 2 lengths going out from the attchment clip to the helmet, with buttons on the end of the one set, and the actual chin strap clip on the other. Probly doesn't make much sense but hope you know what I'm talking about?

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Postby R Leonard on 15 Oct 2004 15:16

Well, since everyone is hitting around the mark …

Your Ruptured duck pins are very common … think about how many served in the US armed forces during WWII. The three you show are all lapel pins for civilian suit coats. Of the three, only the “plain” one on the left is issue. The other two are “aftermarket”. Issue lapel pins also came in bright brass, like your “Navy” example, but without the banner (I’ve got a couple around here someplace). There were, as noted in Will’s post, early in the discharge program metal ducks and later plastic. These were 2.5 times the size of your lapel examples and are somewhat more rare. The most common duck was a sew-on yellow thread patch worn centered over the right breast. Truth be known, the duck worn on the uniform served the purpose of identifying a returning veteran not just for the public, but for all those nasty MP’s and SP’s who had a habit of stopping the unwary and asking for their transit orders. They generally skipped over those sporting the duck. Soldiers and sailors returning to civilian life were entitled to, and indeed most did, wear their uniforms from point of discharge to home of record – after all who had civilian clothes at the ready at time of discharge. The lapel pins were for later, sort of a hail-fellow-well-met identifier. It was not uncommon to see them on lapels into the 1960’s (I certainly remember seeing them . . . usually in church).

Your US pins are what’s known as “quarter brass”. Part of the army uniform in WWII and today found in various and updated forms on US Army and US Air Force Class A uniforms. Yours are standard enlisted army types worn on the lapels of the Class A blouse and the “Ike” jacket, above the collar indent (US on right, branch insignia - superimposed on a metal disk as with your US, on left). Officer’s quarter brass were just the letters US without the solid backing (US worn on both sides, branch insignia on lower lapel). All were worn beginning in about 1925 when the uniform changed from high collars to open collars. Again, still worn today, but with some differences in style (flatter) and color (nowadays more golden-yellow brass), and slightly different placement.

Your other “railroad tracks” pins are, on the right, standard USA/USAAF captain (O-3) bars. You could put these on the shoulder straps of a modern USA or USAF Class A blouse and only a very few would notice a difference. The one on the left is an over-sized USN or USCG lieutenant, or USMC captain, (both also O-3) bar. Oversized rank devices such as these, in WWII were worn only on the shoulder straps of officer’s raincoats. Today they are also worn on shoulder straps of the lightweight short windbreaker/jacket.

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Postby stevo4361 on 15 Oct 2004 18:19

Thanks Rich,
You sure answered all my questions about the ruptured duck, thanks. This forum is great, I mean there is so much knowledge that you guys are willing to share with everybody, and beginners like me sure appreciate it. Thanks

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Postby Mark in Cleveland, Tn. on 16 Oct 2004 20:51

cloth versions, 50 cents each, I can right now get 50 of them for 20.00 Metal ones, a dollar, they are in every antigue, military and gun show booth, shop everywhere. Millions floating around, even on Ike jackets, which I buy for $10.00.. $20.00
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Postby dcbrown on 17 Oct 2004 03:52

The ruptured duck patches can be found in several forms. yellow eagle on black for Navy, yellow on white (for whites), yellow on green, etc. You can also find wire and bullion eagles. Ruptured duck lapel pins were also very common. Every soldier, sailor and Marine, who were honorably discharged from WWII were eligible to wear them. Consequently, they are extremely common and have no collectible value to speak of. People who are trying to complete a family shadowbox or something like that might pay a dollar or two just to get one, but that's about it. Never the less, they are an interesting item and unique to the war years.
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