Mussolini with italian Generals in 1935

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Mussolini with italian Generals in 1935

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Post by FANGIO » 25 Apr 2006, 21:03

Besides General Alessandro Pirzio Biroli and Mussolini, can anyone recognize the others? Could one of them be Ugo Cavallero? I'm posting some close ups, could anybody translate the letter?
The caption said Mussolini saluting italian Generals in 1935 after the victory in Ethiopia.
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Post by GLADIVM » 26 Apr 2006, 14:29

I do not believe that the photo was taken in 1935 , apart from the fact that victory in Abyssiania was achieved only by end may 1936 , Mussolini looks too young , by 1935-1936 Mussolini did not wear civilian clothes anymore for official occasions , uniforms are those before the reform of 1933 .

I think picture was taken in the 20's also because if the general behind Mussolini was Cavallero ( looks like him ) , Cavallero for most of the 30's was not in the army , he had resigned in 1927 and was recalled only in november 1937 , and if the picture was taken after 1937 he would have weared the new uniform .

Also I cannot read well the text but cannot see any reference to victory in Abyssinia but only a reference to a " Fascist Spring "
Primavera fascista which might mean almost anything .

The writing is dated 1935 and written in Trieste and should have nothing to do with the Abyssinia campaign , the photo was sent to Pirzio Biroli from one soldier who served witrh him in the Bersaglieri corp .


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Post by FANGIO » 26 Apr 2006, 20:46

Very interesting information, thank you very much GLADIVM.
It's real true when they say that a picture is worth than a thousand words. It can give you so much info (if you know about the subject of course). Thanks once again.
Any additional info is welcome.

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Post by FB » 27 Apr 2006, 08:35

Are you sure about 1935?

The handwriting on the picture is dated:

Trieste A. XII E.F. which means:

A = Anno = Year

XII = 12th

E.F. = Era Fascista = Fascist Era.

The first year of Era Fascista begun on Oct. 29, 1922 and ended on Oct 28, 1923.

So the XII year of Era fascista indicates a day between Oct. 29, 1933 and Oct. 28, 1934

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Post by FB » 27 Apr 2006, 09:05

This is the handwriting on the picture, as far as I can tell:

al fascistissimo e baldo Bersagliere

S.E. Alessandro Pirzio Biroli

"forte tronco della nostra trionfante primavera fascista",

il suo affmo* e vecchio bersagliere Franco Pirillo (or Picillo, or Pizillo) già

del "Primo" di San Remo, detto ora

il "fascista Tirteo dalla gamba corta"

Trieste A. XII E.F.


* = the line written over this word stands as an indication of an abbrevation used and thus the written word AFFMO, non existing in Italian, must be read as AFFEZIONATISSIMO that is: dearest.


A translation of the above would be:

To the most fascist and bold (or daring) Bersagliere

His Excellency Alessandro Pirzio Biroli

"strong log of our triumphant fascist spring",

his dearest and old bersagliere Franco Pirillo once

of the "First", from San Remo, known today as

"the short legged fascist Tyrtaeus"

Trieste Year XII F.E.


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Post by Eugen Pinak » 27 Apr 2006, 15:51

It was definitely made before 1934, because all officers wears 1923-pattern uniform, changed into new pattern in 1933-34.

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Post by FANGIO » 29 Apr 2006, 07:28

FB wrote:The first year of Era Fascista begun on Oct. 29, 1922 and ended on Oct 28, 1923.
Didn't know this, very interesting, thanks for all your help FB. Molte grazie!

Thank you too Eugen Pinak.

I would not take so seriously the information given by that site. I found out a short time ago that it has many errors so probably the information given that this pic was taken after the victory in Ethiopia is absolutely wrong.
So... if anybody can give additional information, I would really appreciate it. GLADIVM has given some already.
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Post by Comsubin » 29 Apr 2006, 18:32

The Era Fascista began after the so called "march on Rome" and after that Mussilini was appointed by King Vittorio EmanueleIII to form a new govern..

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Post by Spirow Ewes » 19 Jan 2009, 21:29

Sorry for "resurrecting" the topic after such a long time, but I couldn't help to notice the black band around Cavallero's left arm. What's the meaning of that? Maybe mourn?

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Post by arturolorioli » 01 Feb 2009, 17:12

Spirow Ewes wrote:Sorry for "resurrecting" the topic after such a long time, but I couldn't help to notice the black band around Cavallero's left arm. What's the meaning of that? Maybe mourn?
Yes, a black arm-band was authorized by uniforms regulations as a mourn sign.
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