German commanders in the Ottoman Army
German commanders in the Ottoman Army
From Altay's excellent website: http://www.turkeyswar.com/army/oob.htm
Some of the individuals who commanded Turkish formations(however briefly)during the war:
Otto Liman von Sanders--1st Army,5th Army,Yıldırım Army Group
Colmar von der Goltz--1st Army,6th Army
Erich von Falkenhayn--Yıldırım Army Group
Kress von Kressenstein--XXII Corps,8th Army
General Weber--XV Corps
Colonel Nikolai--3rd Division,I Corps
Colonel Karl Trommer--10th Division,XIV Corps
Colonel Hans Kannengiesser--9th Division,XVI Corps
Lieutenant Colonel Hans Guhr--1st Division,29th Division
Colonel Wilmer--5th Division,24th Division
Colonel Havik--13th Division,12th Division
Lieutenant Colonel von Schraudenbach--14th Division
Colonel Böhme--24th Division
Major Hunger--34th Division
Lieutenant Colonel Tiller--46th Division
The first five officers are well known or have been previously discussed here on the forum. e.g. a previous topic on Weber here: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=72973
Does anyone know anything about the others?
Regards
Peter
Some of the individuals who commanded Turkish formations(however briefly)during the war:
Otto Liman von Sanders--1st Army,5th Army,Yıldırım Army Group
Colmar von der Goltz--1st Army,6th Army
Erich von Falkenhayn--Yıldırım Army Group
Kress von Kressenstein--XXII Corps,8th Army
General Weber--XV Corps
Colonel Nikolai--3rd Division,I Corps
Colonel Karl Trommer--10th Division,XIV Corps
Colonel Hans Kannengiesser--9th Division,XVI Corps
Lieutenant Colonel Hans Guhr--1st Division,29th Division
Colonel Wilmer--5th Division,24th Division
Colonel Havik--13th Division,12th Division
Lieutenant Colonel von Schraudenbach--14th Division
Colonel Böhme--24th Division
Major Hunger--34th Division
Lieutenant Colonel Tiller--46th Division
The first five officers are well known or have been previously discussed here on the forum. e.g. a previous topic on Weber here: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=72973
Does anyone know anything about the others?
Regards
Peter
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Colonel Hans Kannengiesser--9th Division,XVI Corps
Peter;
I can only write a few words; I am exhausted. (Just put an air-conditioning system in and on top of my house. Amazingly, it works!)
Colonel Hans Kannengiesser wrote a good book on his experiences. I can't remember if I read it in German or English; I think it was translated. I think that the book is scarce.
Bob Lembke
I can only write a few words; I am exhausted. (Just put an air-conditioning system in and on top of my house. Amazingly, it works!)
Colonel Hans Kannengiesser wrote a good book on his experiences. I can't remember if I read it in German or English; I think it was translated. I think that the book is scarce.
Bob Lembke
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One should not forget the following:
General Hans von Seeckt, the chief of the general staff of Ottoman Army during 1917-18 (close friend of Enver Pacha)
General Bronsart von Schellendorff, deputy chief of the general staff
Lt.Colonel Franz von Papen, operations officer of Yildirim Army, later Chancellor of the Weimar Republic...
( Field Marshalls Von Runsted and Model held Gallipoli Star decorations. However I am not aware of when they were in Turkey during WW1)
General Hans von Seeckt, the chief of the general staff of Ottoman Army during 1917-18 (close friend of Enver Pacha)
General Bronsart von Schellendorff, deputy chief of the general staff
Lt.Colonel Franz von Papen, operations officer of Yildirim Army, later Chancellor of the Weimar Republic...
( Field Marshalls Von Runsted and Model held Gallipoli Star decorations. However I am not aware of when they were in Turkey during WW1)
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I have the impression that the "Gallipoli Star" was not only given to soldiers who served at Gallipoli, but also was sometimes given out by, for example, high-ranking Turkish officers visiting Germany, to officers that they wanted to honor or stroke. They might also have been given out in the fighting in the Balkans or in Galicia. I have often seen photos of officers that I am fairly sure never served with the Turks wearing it. For example, Willi Rohr, the namesake of the famous Sturm=Bataillon Nr. 5 (Rohr). The unit held many training courses for allied personnel as well as German soldiers, and many demonstrations of storm techniques, which high-ranking Turkish officers must have attended on occasion. Anyone have something concrete on this?
Hoping that we have attracted some Gallipoli Star experts, I will take the liberty of asking a related question of my own. My father fought at Gallipoli with the volunteer Pionier Kompagnie that the Germans sent; according to his descriptions it must have been on the ANZAC bridgehead. He told me that he was accorded the Gallipoli Star. I have his Iron Cross, the associated document (awarded in 1921; he was a real pain in the ass to the command structure), an Iron Cross minature, his wound badge, and his "Hindenburg Cross", but no Gallipoli Star. Would they always have been physically given out when troops were "awarded" them? (He was a private.) Of course, it could have been lost after the award in the tumult of the war.
Bob Lembke
Hoping that we have attracted some Gallipoli Star experts, I will take the liberty of asking a related question of my own. My father fought at Gallipoli with the volunteer Pionier Kompagnie that the Germans sent; according to his descriptions it must have been on the ANZAC bridgehead. He told me that he was accorded the Gallipoli Star. I have his Iron Cross, the associated document (awarded in 1921; he was a real pain in the ass to the command structure), an Iron Cross minature, his wound badge, and his "Hindenburg Cross", but no Gallipoli Star. Would they always have been physically given out when troops were "awarded" them? (He was a private.) Of course, it could have been lost after the award in the tumult of the war.
Bob Lembke
Hi Peter!
Just a few snippets of information:
Generalmajor Hans Kannengiesser (1868 - 1945)
Generalmajor Bruno Traugott Karl Trommer (1865 - ?)
Colonel August Nikolai
Colonel Erich Böhme
Colonel Havik is actually Colonel Albert Heuck
In addition, here are a few more German officers who served in the Turkish Army
Generalmajor Waldemar Pieper (14 Aug 1871 - 24 Feb 1945) - Inspector of Armaments
Generalmajor Werner von Frankenberg und Proschlitz (1868 - 1933)
Generalmajor August Heinrich Wilhelm Rohdewald (1866-1945)
Generalmajor Werner Eberhard Adolf Louis von Lenthe (1863-1942)
Best regards,
VJK
Just a few snippets of information:
Generalmajor Hans Kannengiesser (1868 - 1945)
Generalmajor Bruno Traugott Karl Trommer (1865 - ?)
Colonel August Nikolai
Colonel Erich Böhme
Colonel Havik is actually Colonel Albert Heuck
In addition, here are a few more German officers who served in the Turkish Army
Generalmajor Waldemar Pieper (14 Aug 1871 - 24 Feb 1945) - Inspector of Armaments
Generalmajor Werner von Frankenberg und Proschlitz (1868 - 1933)
Generalmajor August Heinrich Wilhelm Rohdewald (1866-1945)
Generalmajor Werner Eberhard Adolf Louis von Lenthe (1863-1942)
Best regards,
VJK
Bob,
A thread on the Turkish War Medal 1915 by some experts here:
http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=696
My gut feeling is that enlisted ranks received it pinned on,a document accompanying it.However the tinny nature of it(officers normally upgraded to a privately purchased version) suggests it wasn't treasured well.
Regards
Peter
A thread on the Turkish War Medal 1915 by some experts here:
http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=696
My gut feeling is that enlisted ranks received it pinned on,a document accompanying it.However the tinny nature of it(officers normally upgraded to a privately purchased version) suggests it wasn't treasured well.
Regards
Peter
Thanks for that VJK.
Something(in Turkish) here as well:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=107127
Best regards
Peter
Something(in Turkish) here as well:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=107127
Best regards
Peter
Re: German commanders in the Ottoman Army
Ludwig von Schraudenbach with the Turkish Order of the Mejidie.
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Re: German commanders in the Ottoman Army
Enver's operations officer during Sarikamish Campaign: Lt. Col. FELDMANN...
Re: German commanders in the Ottoman Army
From Wikipedia:
2L - Otto v Feldmann
4L - Bronsart v Schelldorf
5L - Liman v Sanders
6L - v Weber
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2L - Otto v Feldmann
4L - Bronsart v Schelldorf
5L - Liman v Sanders
6L - v Weber
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Re: German commanders in the Ottoman Army
The most prominent German officer in the Turkish Army was Gen. Hans von Seect: chief of staff to Field Marshall von Mackensen on the Eastern Front and later Chief of Staff of Ottoman Armies in late 1917 and 1918. Eventually he was the founder and chief of the Reichswehr.
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Re: German commanders in the Ottoman Army
Major Etienne Perrinet v. Thauvenay: KriegsministeriumFrom Wikipedia:
Major Otto v. Feldmann: Großer Generalstab
Hauptmann Bodo v. König: Adjutant der Landwehr-Inspektion Erfurt
Oberst Friedrich Bronsart v. Schellendorff: Oberst von der Armee
Generalleutnant Otto Liman v. Sanders: Kdr. 22. Infanterie-Division
Oberst Erich Weber: Kommandeur der Pioniere XVI. Armeekorps
Militär-Intendanturrat Theodor Burchardi: Intendantur d. II. Armeekorps
Major August Nicolai: 5. Feldartillerie-Regiment Nr. 64
Oberstabsarzt Professor Dr. Georg Mayer: Militärärztliche Akademie (München)
Oberleutnant Carl Mühlmann: Kürassier-Regiment Nr. 8
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http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Per ... ungP-R.htm
Perrinet v Thhouvenay 1870 - 1927 last rank was GenMj.
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Perrinet v Thhouvenay 1870 - 1927 last rank was GenMj.
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Re: German commanders in the Ottoman Army
Here's Obst Wilmer, here spelled as Willmer, second from left.
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