Strange shields found in 113d Schartenstand.

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Strange shields found in 113d Schartenstand.

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Post by M19 MADMAL » 14 Aug 2006, 17:18

When the C.I.O.S. (Jersey) gained entry to the Type 113d 6 loophole bunker at Wn. Bel Royal, Jersey, in the 1980's two strange metal shields where found 8O
It is said that thay are 'snipers sheilds' :?
I would think that they are to heavy for a sniper to lug around with him and the small leg to hold the shield up would get in the way of a gun?
Anybody got any info on this strange bit of (possibly) bunker kit?
Thanks in advance, Malcolm :wink:
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Post by simondodkins » 14 Aug 2006, 17:39

Hey Malcolm, I don't think they came out of the Bel Royal as I was on the team opening it up in the 80's! Nearly lost my finger during that excavation and I don't recall pulling that out of the bunker.

I think they came from somewhere else - but I am sure they are snipers shields.
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Post by jopaerya » 14 Aug 2006, 17:51

Hi Malcolm

I think they are rifle-shields , also be used in trenches
http://www.thetankmaster.com/images/AFV ... ELD_04.JPG

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Post by Erik E » 14 Aug 2006, 20:25

I`ve seen quite a few of them here in Norway...
In one case they cover the entire celing of a R622 (!)
On a few of those I`ve seen, you can still read "Krefelder Stahlwerk".

The little info I found on them points at trench shields from WW1...
http://www.dhm.de/datenbank/index.html? ... 01459.html

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Post by jopaerya » 14 Aug 2006, 20:40

Hi Erik

Nice ceiling of the 622 in Lökhaug .

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Post by Erik E » 14 Aug 2006, 20:47

Nice ceiling of the 622 in Lökhaug
Yes! I`m rather sure this is a "one of a kind" R 622 :)
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Post by simondodkins » 15 Aug 2006, 12:22

Wow...that ceiling is amazing...but it goes to show what people will do to get something done and get the bunker finished.
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Post by M19 MADMAL » 15 Aug 2006, 16:41

Yes that ceiling is rather unique :o
There must have been a shortage of steel plates at the time of construction!
A lot of the fortifications in Guernsey have had the base plates of barbed wire stakes used in the same way due to a lack of steel with some still having upto 5cm of the stake still left sticking out 8O
A couple of the 15cm SKC28 emplacements at Battery Annes in Alderney have wood planks used as a substitute for the steel plates.
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Post by c_hoff82 » 24 Aug 2006, 19:58

I found this picture today when I went through the files on my computer.
It shows the shields in use.

I`m afraid I dont remember where I found the picture.

C. Hoff
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Post by kstdk » 24 Aug 2006, 21:44

Hello "c_hoff82" !! :)

You dont remember !! - Well I do - it is one of "my pictures" of an old picture from the museum in the Marinebefehlshaber HQ bunker in Calais !!

See my album at webshot:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/169 ... 5554TAjbUj
c_hoff82 wrote:I found this picture today when I went through the files on my computer.
It shows the shields in use.

I`m afraid I dont remember where I found the picture.

C. Hoff

And - I dont mind the use of the pictures - I have made them public anyhow !!

But - now you know your source, right :lol:

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Kurt
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Post by c_hoff82 » 24 Aug 2006, 22:43

But - now you know your source, right
Hehe, thats rigth :D :oops:
Nice to see no hard feelings :)

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Post by AvB » 29 Aug 2006, 19:40

I think every army used this kind of plate in a trenchwar.
Here's a picture from a plate used by the Dutch in the 1940s.
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Source: http://www.grebbeberg.nl

Btw, wasn't the bunker at Bel Royal a 115d?
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Post by jopaerya » 29 Aug 2006, 19:47

Hi Arthur

Please look here http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=104921
113d = 6-Schartenturm in B and 115d = 6-Schartenturm in A .

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Post by AvB » 29 Aug 2006, 20:49

I've never been inside nor have I seen any drawings.
Just thought the turret was placed so high it looked like a Baustarke A
bunker to me.
I believe there are still some 113d bunkers in Poland, must have a look there.. ;)
jopaerya wrote:Hi Arthur

Please look here http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=104921
113d = 6-Schartenturm in B and 115d = 6-Schartenturm in A .

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Post by jopaerya » 29 Aug 2006, 22:27

Hi Arthur

You and Lenco are the Masters of the Panzerturrets ,
but I think that the lay-out is more 1 level of the 113d
then a 115d .

Drawing = Jersey's German Bunkers from C.I.O.S.

Regards Jos
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