HEERESGRUPPE A order of battle 12.I.1945

[WPG]

JC, you are right, 11 SS A.K. C/S was Ob (H) Gerhard Giese, who died April 29, 1945 in Halbe (south of Berlin).
GG was not a member of the Waffen SS, but wore the uniform of a Standartenführer, when he joined the Generalkommando,
led by Waffen SS General Kleinheisterkamp.

[Minotauros]

Thank you, JC!
Very useful informations.

Any more informations about Oberstleutnant von Drabisch-Wächter?

[Minotauros]

Oberst Albert Brux, commander 17.Panzer Division, was wounded and captured by the Soviets on January 13th, 1945.

[Andreas]

Does anyone have German losses in the Vistula-Oder operation?

All the best

Andreas

[Minotauros]

The Ic of Heeresgruppe A was Oberstleutnant Konrad Stephanus.

Generalmajor Ulrich Liss was assistant to the commanding officer general 304.Infanterie Division, Generalleutnant Ernst Sieler.
He was wounded and captured by the Soviets on January 22nd, 1945.

[Kamen Nevenkin]

Does anyone have German losses in the Vistula-Oder operation?

All the best

Andreas

1.1.45 - 10.2.45 - KIA / WIA / MIA

1.PzA - 3,267 / 14,122 / 2,424
17.A - 14,104 / 17,458 / 7,706
4.PzA - 3,141 / 17,754 / 11,552
9.A - 2,106 / 9,051 / 2,246
2.A - 3,072 / 20,359 / 30,970
4.A - 3,778 / 13,384 / 1,400
3.PzA - 12,337 / 54,240 / 12,217

[Andreas]

Thank you Kamen, that is very kind of you.

All the best

Andreas

[Andreas]

I have reformatted the table for easier reading and added some calculations which may or may not be interesting, in case anyone is interested.

All the best

Andreas

[Qvist]

Kamen, could I ask where the data comes from? Heeresarzt ten-day summaries?

cheers

[Art]

Thank you, Kamen, great info. Pay attention, however, that figures for 2nd, 4th and 3rd Pz Armies pertain to the battles in Eastern Prussia.

[Qvist]

Clearly not from the HA ten-days - which is good, as they so obviously give understated figures in 1945. Comparison:

............Kamen.............HA 10-day (RH2/1355)
1.PzA - 19,813...........9,396
17.A - 39,268.............22,531
4.PzA - 32,447...........32,543
9.A - 13,403...............595
2.A - 54,401................24,242
4.A - 18,562................47,139
3.PzA - 78,794............15,597

Total - 256,688............152,043

Now, the interesting part. The ten-days give a total of 411,705 casualties in the East in January and February. As you may know there is also an OrgAbt report which gives a total of 606,000 for the same period and states that this is an incomplete figure. From this I think it is reasonable to expect that the HA ten-day figures were in reality at most 2/3 of the losses actually suffered in this period, and very probably significantly less than this. Compared to the figures you give, they are in fact somewhat less than 40%, which again leads me to suspect that the figures you quote may very well be quite accurate (or at least more accurate than any other I have seen for this period).

I would be extremely grateful for some further information on their origin, and if at all possible, an archive reference!

cheers

[Andreas]

Another one, realised that the split was losing some info...

All the best

Andreas

[Art]

Andreas, shouldn't 4A and 4 PzA be swtiched over?

[Andreas]

Thanks Art, I have corrected that.

All the best

Andreas

[Kamen Nevenkin]

These are indeed ten day reports of HA im OKH, but I got them from UK, not from Freiburg. The archive index is M.I. 14/270.

I hope that my figures are correct, or at least my calculator says so. Anyway, for everybody's reference, I'm ready to post the ten-day breakdowns, but it will take some time . To be exact, I'm very keen to compare them with the detailed casualty figures given in the HGr Sued KTB Anlagen (as only available cross reference from that time), but this is time consuming as well.

Kamen