As readers will have noted, there are currently a large number of discussions on various aspects of the planned Operation Seelöwe going on. The reason for having these is two-fold:
1) Seelöwe is a topic that attracts immense interest, since had it been carried out successfully, it would most likely have won the war for Germany. It is therefore attracting a lot of speculative, and unfortunately often ill-informed discussion. The threads currently open are aimed at discussion of the planning aspects of Seelöwe, they are not aimed at discussion on what would have happened if the plans had been carried out. For that, please go to this thread in the What-If section: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=20620
2) Seelöwe is sometimes described as a ruse. I think this is not a realistic view, given the enormous amount of planning that went into it. The threads are also aiming to document this planning, in line with the motto of the forum, that information shared is not lost.
3) Here is an overview of current Seelöwe threads:
Article on Operation Sealion by Günter Blumentritt
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=121586
Seelöwe - Diversion Operations by the KM
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=119830
Seelöwe: British Defensive Measures - Flak and Artillery
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=120363
Seelöwe - armament of barges
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=119911
Seelöwe - let's discuss barges sunk by bombers
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=119662
Seelöwe - realistic transport capacity of barges
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=119663
Seelöwe - let's discuss German naval escorts
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=119718
Seelowe: Lets discuss:- German barges, sunk by fighters?
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=117160
Seelowe: Lets discuss:- Armaments on Barges & Tugs etc
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=117294
Seelöwe: British Defensive Measures - Naval and Air Ops
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=69066
Seelöwe - German & British Mining Operations
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=121850
Seelöwe: German air operations and anti-ship capabilities
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=121871
Seelöwe: Key dates
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=121915
Operation Sealion (locked, for reference only)
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=91960
The purpose of this thread is to provide an easily accessible overview to anyone interested in the matter. It is not meant for discussion, and is therefore locked. Discussion should take place in the open threads linked above.
All the best
Andreas
Why all the Seelöwe discussions
Why all the Seelöwe discussions
Last edited by Andreas on 23 Sep 2007, 17:49, edited 12 times in total.
Anyone who wants to argue the toss without being called on to provide his sources can go to the gazillion page Battle of Britain thread in the What-If section of the forum and do as they please there.
The threads in this section of the forum are for the discussion of hard facts, supported by sources. I.e. for actual historical analysis and description. Anyone who feels they are not up to that level for whatever reason (lack of sources at hand, lack of time, whatever) is cordially invited to stay away from participation in them.
This is also the reason why there are a number of threads - it is to make it easier to focus on particular aspects of the operation, which was after all highly complex.
I hope this is clearer now. Thanks a lot to Bronsky for reminding me to post this.
All the best
Andreas
The threads in this section of the forum are for the discussion of hard facts, supported by sources. I.e. for actual historical analysis and description. Anyone who feels they are not up to that level for whatever reason (lack of sources at hand, lack of time, whatever) is cordially invited to stay away from participation in them.
This is also the reason why there are a number of threads - it is to make it easier to focus on particular aspects of the operation, which was after all highly complex.
I hope this is clearer now. Thanks a lot to Bronsky for reminding me to post this.
All the best
Andreas
A note on the moderation of the Seelöwe threads. There are currently 12 threads open, which range from 1-10 pages in length. In order to keep the discussion focussed, I ask of anyone participating in it to:
a) do not post chit-chat - if you post it I will delete it, and you save yourself and me time by not posting it in the first place
b) do address points by others. Repetition of points made that were questioned without any acknowledgment of the questions is liable to instant deletion, since it clutters threads without adding anything.
c) do not get confused if you see a reply quoting a post which can not be found. If that is the case I have removed the original post because it was either a) or b) above, but left the reply because it introduces new material
d) source your claims - this is a very involved and often quite technical discussion. It helps if every reader can understand where you are coming from
Thanks.
Andreas
a) do not post chit-chat - if you post it I will delete it, and you save yourself and me time by not posting it in the first place
b) do address points by others. Repetition of points made that were questioned without any acknowledgment of the questions is liable to instant deletion, since it clutters threads without adding anything.
c) do not get confused if you see a reply quoting a post which can not be found. If that is the case I have removed the original post because it was either a) or b) above, but left the reply because it introduces new material
d) source your claims - this is a very involved and often quite technical discussion. It helps if every reader can understand where you are coming from
Thanks.
Andreas
A note on how to approach discussions.
There are a number of threads. It is not unreasonable to ask those who want to participate in the discussion to review them before barging in. Otherwise they are likely to waste everybody else's time by raising issues again that have already been addressed. That's why I am asking anybody who comes late to these discussions to go over the old threads, to make sure that we are all coming at it from the same knowledge base. Otherwise any newcomer will force those of us who have been here to just rehash what to us are old arguments. If participating in the discussion is so important to anyone, it is an acceptable expectation that they read up on it beforehand.
If anyone thinks that they do not want to invest the time to go over the old discussions, there is a long thread in the What-If section in which the discussion rules are less stringent.
Thanks.
Andreas
There are a number of threads. It is not unreasonable to ask those who want to participate in the discussion to review them before barging in. Otherwise they are likely to waste everybody else's time by raising issues again that have already been addressed. That's why I am asking anybody who comes late to these discussions to go over the old threads, to make sure that we are all coming at it from the same knowledge base. Otherwise any newcomer will force those of us who have been here to just rehash what to us are old arguments. If participating in the discussion is so important to anyone, it is an acceptable expectation that they read up on it beforehand.
If anyone thinks that they do not want to invest the time to go over the old discussions, there is a long thread in the What-If section in which the discussion rules are less stringent.
Thanks.
Andreas