Blacks in the Wehrmacht?

[Marcus]

at least till the end, when non aryans were allowed to desecrate the Wehrmacht.

It such statements like that give forums such as this a bad name, so don't post any such here.

/Marcus

[DarExc]

Wehrmacht was discraced by "aryans" that term ruined the name of the German army. The Wehrmacht was never an aryan only club that was the SS to start everyone but jews and the few other people concidred outcasts were alowed in the wehrmacht.

[Mike K.]

I find it surprising that the Heer didn't absorb all of the non-Germans, leaving the SS "pure." I guess Himmler was willing to surrender ideology to swell his ranks.

[Dan E. Moe]

Dident a french african colonial try to enlist in the Charlemagne div, but wasen`t allowed?

Dan

[Nagelfar]

I find it surprising that the Heer didn't absorb all of the non-Germans, leaving the SS "pure." I guess Himmler was willing to surrender ideology to swell his ranks.

thats not exactly the point. the SS was "rein germanisch", purely germanic. it goes to show, just like Himmler using norwegians for the lebensborn, that the Nazis set out to create a 'master race' moreso than preserve existing conventionalisms of racial type by arbitrary land borders. however the Wehrmacht was "nur deutsch" because that had to do with defending those very borders, by nationality more than race. it wouldnt make sense to have the national offense/defense not centered around and taken from the nation itself, as the people composing it were an extention of it... just like the 'aryan' peoples composing the SS were an extention of the ideologies that the SS existed for.

so it was a decision for ideology, and not in spite of it

[Mike K.]

But the SS was also absorbing Slavic volunteers, such as the Albanian and Bosnian Divisions.

[JagerRoll]

This is the photo form German Army Uniforms and Insignia 1933-1945 (Page 194). It is backward because I scanned it.

Shot at 2007-06-28

[Allen Milcic]

But the SS was also absorbing Slavic volunteers, such as the Albanian and Bosnian Divisions.

Not to nit-pick, but Albanians are not a Slavic nation.

Albanians (Albanian: Shqiptarët) a mostly Muslim people are defined as an ethnic group, in the sense of sharing a common Albanian culture, speaking the Albanian language as a mother tongue and being of Albanian descent. Scholars believe that the Albanians are descendants of the Illyrians and that the Albanian language derives from the now-extinct Illyrian language, others however dispute this asserting that it derived from a dialect of the now-extinct Thracian language.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanians

[Sgt.Steiner]

Here is a few pics. An African in the Sonderverband 287. And an African in the Luftwaffe. The guys to most of the world are black but they are actually Arab.

[LMA-17]

Check this one:

[Junak1929]

I've never seen Wikipedia being used so frequently as a source anywhere other than on axishistoryforums .... and frankly it's almost laughable.

However Allen is correct, Albanians are not Slavic ...

However neither are the majority of "Bosnians". Before Allen jumps all over me and wants me to source my "ustasa" propaganda - I don't have time to get into the breakdown of DNA and eu8 chromosomes tonight... possibly tomorrow night or sometime this week.

[soldat_m56]

Another "black" member of the Arab Legion (this one really looks black):

Image from an earlier AHF thread

Klaus

[Malbret17]

Hello,

In LVF (Legion des Volontaires Français contre le bolchevisme) there were almost a dozen of black people from Antilla (Guadeloupe, Martinique, and so on). A few died before Moscow. These guys wore the german uniform of the Heer with the french cushion on the right arm.
They were considered like the other French people, instead one of them who wanted to enter the SS Charlemagne but could not be able to do it because racial laws. He went first to a camp and after, because he stayed from 1941 to 1944, worked in factory.

After the war, he went to jail and after worked as a docker at the harbour of Bordeaux (France) and died in 1968. His name was Norbert Desiree.
A photo of him in german uniform has been published in "Sur les pistes de la Russie centrale" (On ways of central Russland) by Eric Lefevre and Jean Mabire, on page 117.
There is a photo of an other one in "Les Français sous le casque allemand" (French people under german helmet) by Pierre-Philippe Lambert and Gerard Le Marec, page 24. His name is unknown.

I hope this little informations will be useful for all of you.

Regards

[Voice of Truth]

I bet those blacks who fought for the Germans would not exactly have been 'flavour of the month' even with their own racial kinfolk when they returned to France, especially once the truth about the Holocaust came out!

[Arto O]

Hi,
Surrending to Russians. Who could they be?
Thanks
Arto

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