Could this be in Le Havre?

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Could this be in Le Havre?

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Post by Peter T » 01 Jan 2008, 19:53

Hello,

I am trying to identify this photo. I showed it to Jos and he thinks this could be in Le Havre, eventually the M.K.B. Stranden. Perhaps some of our French members can help us out here?

Many thanks and best wishes

Peter
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Post by AvB » 01 Jan 2008, 20:18

Chazette once confirmed this on atlantikwall.superforum.fr


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Post by jopaerya » 01 Jan 2008, 21:12

Hi Peter and Arthur

Here a other picture of the H.K.B. St Adresse 2./1254 ,
the harbour pieres and the buildings looks the same .
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... ht=adresse

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Post by Peter T » 01 Jan 2008, 23:04

You have convinced me Jos, this is Le Havre. The guns puzzle me, I can not find that type over there?
Thanks again
Peter

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Post by jopaerya » 02 Jan 2008, 19:26

Hello Peter and Alain

Here a discussion on the 10.5 cm S.K.C/28 http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... c&start=15
a other option could be that the guns on the photo from Peter are guns from ships and where used as coast artillery ( for example in La Rochelle
( Z 23 ) and B. Harfleur ( Kondor ) ???? I know also that the original list give the H.K.B. Stranden 4./1254 with 10.5 cm S.K.C/32

Regards Jos

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#6

Post by S_haule » 02 Jan 2008, 20:13

Dear Friends,

These pictures wasn't take in Le Havre. The buildings on the background didn't check with the houses of seafront Le Havre.

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Sébastien Haule

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Post by jopaerya » 02 Jan 2008, 21:08

Hello Sébastien

Then we have a little problem , we have to find a other harbour with
the same guns as on the photo's , because the photo's are most likely
been taken at the same place or somebody is very good in Photoshopping ?

Regards Jos

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Post by AvB » 02 Jan 2008, 21:48

Could it be Cherbourg? With the Gare Maritime and the forts in front of the harbour?

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Post by Manuferey » 02 Jan 2008, 23:28

I agree with Sebastien:

1) the area behind the soldiers on Peter’s picture looks like an industrial area with marshalling yards, in particular with the big hangar and the three huge buildings that we see again on the left of Jos’ picture. It doesn’t look at all like the big villas and houses built between Ste Adresse and the harbor, even before 1944.

But there is no doubt that Jos’ and Peter’s pictures show the same harbor (same three big buildings).

2) In addition, the harbor jetties seems to be a bit crowded with buildings compared to this photo from a French website “La Normandie sous l’occupation”:

http://14910.net/occup/134.htm

3) That may not prove anything but here is a picture of one of the 10,5 cm K35(t) on an emplacement at Fort Ste Adresse:

http://lehavre.1944.free.fr/42Afortsta.htm

It is much simpler than the emplacement on Jos’ picture but it could have taken at an earlier time.

And it is not Cherbourg either.

I wonder if it could be somewhere along the coast of the Baltic sea (Germany, Poland, Baltic states or Russia). The buildings on the right of the background on Peter's picture look Germanic to me.

We could cross-check the coastal batteries with 10,5 cm K35(t) and those with 10,5 cm SK C/28.

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Post by kstdk » 05 Jan 2008, 22:22

Hello all

I for one think it is Le Havre:

Look at the buildings in the background, same shape.

Look at the Harbour Entrance, same shape.

But Sebastien, who are from Le Havre says that it is not from Le Havre --- well, that leaves me in doubt - so, what do you say????

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Post by Manuferey » 06 Jan 2008, 16:52

Kurt,

I leaved in Le Havre for several years. As Sebastien has said and I've repeated in my previous post, the buildings on the left definitely don't match the type of residential area between Ste-Adresse and the harbor that has existed over a century. Therefore, since Peter's picture cannot be from Le Havre, Jos' picture cannot be from Le Havre either since their locations match.

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Post by kstdk » 06 Jan 2008, 17:10

Hello

Ok..i see. The picture Jos shows are not from Le Havre either!!

Missed that point, sorry!

Hmmm.....we will have to look further then - thanks.

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Kurt
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Post by Peter T » 06 Jan 2008, 22:54

I have been looking at the list of the coastal batteries I have, and I can not find a single place with both batteries with 10,5 cm K35(t) and 10,5 cm SK C/28? Are we relly sure about the guns? Personally, I think we are, but as I do not find any matching place, I begin to doubt.

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Post by Manuferey » 07 Jan 2008, 03:39

Peter,

Have you considered the fact that the two batteries may not have been in place at the same time ?

Or is there any 10,5 cm K35(t) battery (probably of an HKB) with any other type of 10.5 cm (or maybe 8.8 cm) naval coastal guns (of an MKB) in the same harbor besides Le Havre ?

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Post by jopaerya » 07 Jan 2008, 14:59

Hi Peter

I have rechecked the photo's of the s.10 cm K 35 (t) and recieved some others
from Alain Chazette and I am 100% sure that the guns are same all the details
are the same the boxes on the trail , the place of the hammer and the special ends
of the trail for the fixing blades .

According to my information there were no 10.5 cm K 35 (t) guns used in Norway
and Denmark in H.K.B. ???. The ones in France are around Le Havre ( 2./1254 and 1./1254) , Mers ( 3./1252 ) and Agde ( 2./H.K.A.L.A.101 ) .
Any corrections or additions are most welcome .

Regards Jos

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