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"Other" War Crimes -- "No Prisoners"

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Post by David Thompson » 14 Jan 2003, 01:21

Here is a supplemental report (from "Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression" vol. 5, pp. 716-25) of an allied court of inquiry on the execution of POWs by the 12th SS Panzer Division "Hitlerjugend" at Normandy in Jun 1944:
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Post by David Thompson » 14 Jan 2003, 01:25

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Post by David Thompson » 14 Jan 2003, 01:28

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The end:
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Post by waffen » 16 Dec 2003, 01:49

:D wonderfull read david thanks for the effort. :lol:

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Post by Gwynn Compton » 16 Dec 2003, 03:24

From memory, the Canadians retaliated in kind to the 12th SS. Did this infact happen, and were any punishments metted out on them as well?

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Post by David Thompson » 16 Dec 2003, 05:05

Gwynn -- I've heard stories that Canadian troops did commit war crimes on members of the SS "Hitlerjugend" division, but I've never seen the claims documented. For lack of detail, I haven't been able to tell if these acts were supposed to be unit policy, initiated by commanders, or isolated and sporadic crimes committed by small groups of individuals.

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Post by Rob - wssob2 » 16 Oct 2006, 06:55

I have never seen any documentation to support the alleged reprisal killings by Canadian forces against 12th SS POWs either.

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Post by gunslinger » 16 Oct 2006, 21:05

Well, thats because it has never been investigated, and sure wasnt brought to a alied court of law.
So, maybe it never happent.....officialy.

"if prisoners impeded the advance, they were not to be taken."

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Post by David Thompson » 17 Oct 2006, 04:50

gunslinger -- You wrote:
Well, thats because it has never been investigated, and sure wasnt brought to a alied court of law.

This is a statement of fact. How do our readers, or for that matter you, know it's true?

You also wrote:
So, maybe it never happent.....officialy
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Post by gunslinger » 17 Oct 2006, 09:14

Thanks for pointing out the forum rules.

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Post by Wittgenstein » 27 Sep 2011, 06:11

In Anthony Beevor's book 'D-Day' you may read of an officer from The Canadian Regiment de la Chaudiere who says that after they had got to grips with 12th SS at Carpiquet that "no prisoners were taken this day on either side".

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Post by JamesL » 27 Sep 2011, 15:40

The Beevor reference is on page 266 of the 1st American edition.

"According to one Canadian source, the French Canadians of the Regiment de la Chaudiere went berserk around dawn, cutting the throats of any SS men they could find,'wounded as well as dead'. Officers with drawn pistols eventually brought them back under control. An officer with the regiment wrote, 'No prisoners are taken this day on either side.'"

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Post by UMachine » 29 Sep 2011, 17:02

IIRC,Annelie spoke of a Canadian vet who does speaking engagements who openly talks about his experiences with the 12th.The man brags about how he always looked the POWS in the eyes before he shot them.Maybe she could provide more details.

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Post by David Thompson » 29 Sep 2011, 18:13

We already have a number of open threads on the problems between Canadian troops and the 12th SS Panzer Division "Hitlerjugend," so please post any related information there:

12th SS ambulances strafed by allied planes
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=145989
The crimes of Kurt "Panzer" Meyer
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=32709
Atrocities of 12. SS-Panzer-Division "Hitlerjugend"
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=109598
SS-HJ and shootings of Canadian POWs
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=80967
12th SS and Canadians
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=14799
Story behind this 12th SS photo
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=100413
Incidents involving Canadian and German units in Normandy
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=5674
Canadian Orders "Take No Prisoners"
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=139551

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