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Die Weisse Rose...

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Die Weisse Rose...

Postby Timo on 16 Apr 2002 12:29

Christoph Probst
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Christoph Probst was born on November 11th 1919 - one year after the end of World War I and the establishment of the first German democracy. The first years of the Weimar Republic were characterized by economic shortages and political fights, with their climax in the year 1923. This year was marked by the "Ruhrkampf" against France, heavy inflation and in Munich by Hitler's Beerhall putsch on November 9th . Christoph's hometown Murnau was also involved in the riots and became soon a stronghold of National Socialism in Upper Bavaria. The family of the private scholar Hermann Probst was never touched by local politics and SA-parades, but like many contemporary intellectuals stayed distanced to the political upheavals.
On the whole, the influence of Christoph's parents on his personal development must not be underestimated. As an all-round educated private teacher, who had specialized in Asian culture, his father promoted Christoph's intellectual development and his striving for knowledge through intellectual confrontation, which helped him later to upkeep his independent thinking despite difficult circumstances. He had a very good relation to his mother, because he didn't go to school in the first year but was taught at home by her. So he got more chances to ask his question than the other children at school, which surely helped him to develop his critical character. As his parents were divorced very early, Christoph grew up at several places. After living in Kochel he lived some years in Murnau with his mother, then with his father in Oberstdorf and Ruhpolding and finally with his mother in Nürnberg-Wolkersdorf. During this time politics didn't mean anything to Christoph an his sister Angelika although the NSDAP got more and more popular until 1933. They concentrated on their family, playing, hiking in the mountains and an intensive experience of nature. During his time at grammar school Hitler and the Nazis destroyed democracy and built their inhuman dictatorship. A essential help to the dictatorship was the Hitlerjugend (HJ: Nazi Youth Organisation for boys), which very soon replaced the other youth associations and in which all German youths had to participate from 1936 onwards. Through group meetings, paramilitary training and vacation camps boys and girls were distanced from their parents and made enthusiastic about Hitler and National Socialism. In the beginning Christoph Probst was also influenced by the HJ as he attended the boarding-school in Marquartstein and got member of the HJ. Roland Klein, his teacher in Marquartstein, decribes Christoph (then 13 to 14)as an unusually intelligent student who was very sympathetic. Klein appreciated his student because of his openminded character towards other students and his happiness. So Christoph never seemed depressed to him, not even in the difficult times later. Although Christoph never placed himself into the foreground, Klein recognized his self-confidence and fearlessness. That is why he called the sport of fencing typical for Christoph as you need adroitness, agility and accuracy of aim. Later Christoph was one of few young people who were able to avoid participation in the HJ: as he changed school to Munich he was able to shake off his membership, and also in Schondorf he kept away from the HJ but participated in some activities to avoid being a outsider in the boarding-school. Finally he had to pay 7.50 marks of contribution fees to get his final A-level certificate. But he could not totally avoid the HJ: in one of his letters he described his visit to the 1936 the party rally (Reichsparteitag) at Nuremberg. On his way he wanted to visit his mother and his stepfather and so he used the time for astronomy, his hobby. A letter shows that he wasn't really impressed by the party rally in as he said that the party rally was boring but that he had a nice time with his mother and at the observatory. So conversation, reading and searching for silence were more important to Christoph than parades and the chaos at the party rally which he mentioned only by the way in this letter. When Christoph went to school in Munich in 1935 he met his friend and fellow-combatant Alexander Schmorell. Alex and Christoph were intellectually and mentally close and shared their hobbies hiking in the mountains and skiing. Christoph wrote in one of his letters about a development of an unbreakable friendship. So it isn't surprising that Alexander Schmorell was witness to Christoph's marriage with Herta Dohrn and godfather of his son Vincent. Later when both of them were soldiers, they practised the same hobby: fencing. After changing school to Schondorf at Ammersee (a lake) he did his Abitur (A-levels) in 1937. During this time at Schondorf he actively participated in the life at boarding-school and looked after the younger students. On one hand he complained about the total disorientated planning of his life which kept him away from astronomy, but on the other hand those duties were very important for him to avoid being an outsider in the school community which he had entered very late. Maybe because of his father's death lacking an adult and intellectual conversation partner in the family, he found replacement with his teacher. Berhard Knoop, later is brother in law. Knoop said that is why he was accepted as equal conversation partner more than a student. The certificate of character which every student has received in addition to his final certificate in Schondorf until today comfirms this estimation: ".... the adults appreciated his knowledge from the very first day, while some of his companions recognized his character not so quickly..." The just mentioned qualities, the intellectual happiness of life and self-confident ability to judge obviously disagree with the ideal characteristics of a young Nazi.
Christoph Probst was the only member of the White Rose who married early, when he was 21, maybe because of his bad experiences as his parents divorced and wanted a working family life. Herta Dohrn, his wife, came also from a family who was critical about the system: her brother had to escape from the Gestapo (secret state police) and her father was shot shortly before the end of World War II in April 1945 by the Nazis in Munich. Herta and Christoph had two small sons. Many pictures with his wife, his children and hid grandmother show, how Christoph enjoyed his life with his family. Sophie Scholl told about a visit at Christoph's house in the mountains: "He was holding his two-year-old son in his arms and looked like banned with magic at his child's face." The family got a young Ukrainian woman called Olga to work in the house, who was accepted in the family and who had a good relationship to them. In January 1943 Herta and Christoph got their third child.
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After 1933 the system of universities soon became a basis and stronghold for the Nazi government with only very few critical university lecturers, who were able to keep their jobs after the so-called Gleichschaltung. For example the chemist Heinrich Wieland and Kurt Huber, the mentor of the White Rose, were some of those lecturers. In 1939 after his obligatory army service Christoph Probst started to study medicine in Munich. There he met Hans Scholl at Alexander Schmorell's house (both were members of a student company and were frontline soldiers during their holidays) and got aquitained to the resistants. Later Christoph had to change universities and continued his studies in the occupied Strasbourg and from 1942 onwards he studied in Innsbruck. There it was very difficult to live as he missed his family and his friends to discuss the latest news with them. In the February of 1943 he wrote: "It is not that simple to live in Innsbruck. I'm missing a friend as there are many thing you can't stand alone without talking." So he stayed in contact with his family and his friends and used every possibility to meet them.

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After a war of conquering and destroying almost all of Europe and making it "free of Jews" the eastern front stopped moving in the winter of 1942/1943 near Stalingrad. Almost 300. 000 German soldiers were surrounded by the Red Army. In January the German troops had to surrender after numerous casualties. 100.000 soldiers were killed and 91.000 were taken as prisoners of war by the Soviets.

The defeat which made the Germans withdraw brought about a change of the general opinion. The degree of agreement which Hitler enjoyed at the zenith of his power in the summer of 1942 decreased more and more. The crisis of the regime was also to be sensed during a protest by students of the university of Munich. The protest was a reaction to a speech held by the Gauleiter (Party leader) Giesler in front of students in January 1943: "In those times the female students should have children instead of hanging around on the campus.". Maybe his aides could give a "wonderful experience" to the uglier of the girls. Those sentences led to the maybe biggest scandal at a German university: many students wanted to leave the hall but were not allowed and were arrested. After some riots they were allowed to leave. Anneliese, Willi Graf's sister, was an eye witness to this event, the others had stayed away out of protest.

Hans Scholl, Alexander Schmorell and Willi Graf were sent to Poland to the Soviet front in 1942. There they closely experienced the atrocities of war and holocaust which strengthened their resistance.

As father of a family Christoph Probst did not have to go to the front and served in different company: he was in a military hospital of the air force. But he knew about the atrocities of war as he had heard much about it from his friends.

The Time before the"White Rose"
1. The HJ
In their younger years Hans and Sophie Scholl were enthusiastic members of the HJ. Sophie's patriotism came soon to an end, as she could not agree with the attitudes of the HJ. Especially their antisemitism disturbed her. In the beginning Hans was a proud member and became a group leader in the HJ. At a party rally he was allowed to carry the banner, but came back with a changed mind. From that day on he did not want to have anything to do with the HJ.
2. The beginnings of the resistance of the Scholls
The Scholls and their friends participated at the passive resistance against the Nazis by reading forbidden authors for example Thomas Mann, Werner Bergengruen or Paul Claudel. The Scholls and their friends were shocked about the events of 9th November 1938, when the SA destroyed most of the German synagogues and shops owned by Jews.
3. Fritz Hartnagel
Fritz Hartnagel was a very good friend of Sophie Scholl. They exchanged letters regularly. As Fritz Hartnagel was an officer keeping up their friendship was very difficult during the war. They met for the last time in 1942. Fritz Hartnagel was evacuated injured in one of the last airplanes from Stalingrad. The last letter to Fritz was written by Sophie six days before her death. After the war Fritz studied law and cared especially about the war-victims.

The Beginning of the White Rose
1. Manfred Eickemayer
On her 21st birthday Sophie Scholl in 1942 moved to Munich to study biology and philosophy. There she met her brother's friends who soon got her friends too. She also met the 75-year-old lecturer Karl Muth, who was the publisher of the forbidden magazine "Hochland" and had a great influence on the friends. After the architect from Munich Manfred Eickemayer had told them about the atrocities of the Wehrmacht and the SS they decided to get involved against Hitler themselves.
2. Lecturer Kurt Huber
The lecturer Kurt Huber from Munich supported the friends, who named their group of resistance probably after the book La Rosa Bianca by B. Traven, in which a small Mexican hazienda is destroyed by the machinations of an oil company. Kurt Huber supported the members with their thoughts and actions and wrote texts for the leaflets.
3. Active resistance
In addition to the publishing of anti-Nazi texts and leaflets the members did some other active resistance. They collected bread for the prisoners of the Konzentrationslager (concentration camps) and looked after their relatives. They refused contributions for NS-organisations.
4. Connections to other resistance groups
The White Rose had developed into a network of connections mainly in Munich and in Hamburg. In Munich there were over 80 members and supporters, in Hamburg about 50. Hans Scholl had connections to Falk Harnack, the leader of the Communist Rote Kapelle group.

The Scholls
1. The parents
Their father Robert Scholl was mayor of the village of Forchtenberg near Ulm until 1930. Their mother Magdalena formerly was a Lutheran nurse. In 1932 the family moved to Ulm.
2. The other children
The Scholls had five children. Inge Schol lwas born in 1917, Elisabeth in 1920 and Werner in 1922. Inge and Elisabeth are the only ones who have survived. Shortly after the war Inge Scholl published the book "The White Rose" to inform all of the world about the actions of her sister and brother. Werner, the youngest son of the family, died as soldier at the eastern front in Russia.
4. Hans and Sophie Scholl
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Hans Scholl was born in 1918. He was educated to act on his own and was a very thoughtful, critical and law-abiding person. In the first years after 1933 Hans was perfect for the ideal Nazi and an enthusiastic member of the HJ. He was very proud of being allowed to carry the banner as group leader at a NSDAP- party rally.
But he came back from this party rally changed and could not praise the Nazis any longer and distanced himself from the HJ. He studied medicine at Munich University. There he was like his friends a member of the medicine student company, that means in an emergency they could have been sent to one of the places where war took place like an ambulance. Hans was one of the most important members of the White Rose. Sophie Scholl was born in Forchtenberg in 1921 where she spent her childhood. She was also very thoughtful and striving for justice, but she was also often very happy and had fun. After she finished school she studied biology and philosophy in Munich. She discussed politics and entered the White Rose. During the war she had to do her compulsory labour service in an ammunition factory.

At the zenith of the German war victories in the summer of 1941 Hans Scholl got the last impulse for his will to resist: he heard of the sermons of Bishop Clemens August Earl of Galen from Münster who claimed criminal charges for the killing of mentally disturbed people. Hans's reaction was: "At last someone is brave enough to speak out ... We should have a duplicating apparatus."

Inge Aicher-Scholl, his sister explained why the students were motivated for resistance:

"The trust and the hope in God could give them the necessary energy. I'm convinced of the Christian attitude of all of them."

Even for Christoph Probst, who was baptized only on the day of his execution, that was the main motivation. At a remembrance ceremony in 1946 his sister Angelika even talked about a purely religious motivation for the resistance:

"Christoph is not to be described with the words "fighter for freedom" or "revolutionary". Naturally he was no political person. He only seemed to be one, as everything that stood against him or that he disapproved mentally and lived against was concentrated in politics. So his fight against them was more religious than political.

Hans Scholl started his leaflet actions in the summer of 1942 and soon all of the friends participated. These leaflets, which were distributed in houses and sent by mail, disquieted the Gestapo very strongly:

"The content of the leaflets is very subversive... the author has not been found until now. The Munich police are informed."

Christoph Probst was supposed not to be integrated that much in order to avoid to bring danger to his family. But he participated very often in the meetings in Munich and appealed to himself to act. At a meeting at a summer evening in 1942 he said as Inge Aicher-Scholl remembers:

"We have to do it. We have to show our attitude by devotion that it isn't the end of freedom for the people. We have to risk this "no" against a power which raises itself above all people and which wants to kill all resistants. We have to do it for life's sake. This responsibilty can't be taken away by anyone else. National Socialism is the name of a mental illness which has infected our people. were must not look at it dying slowly."

With writing of the leaflets Christoph played an important role, too, but he held back from the final activity until the end. The defeat near Stalingrad made him get rid of that reserve and to create an own leaflet:

"Stalingrad
200, 000 brothers were sacrificed for the prestige of a military impostor. The human conditions of surrender were kept secret from the sacrificed soldiers. Now the blood of 200.000 men claims criminal charge against Hitler. And do you want to be lied at like the 200.000 men who defended Stalingrad ?...
Hitler and his political system have to fall that Germany can survive. Decide Stalingrad and destruction, or Tripolis and a hopeful future. When you have decided do act. ..."

He sent it to Hans. After the Scholls were taken prisoners the Gestapo found it in their flat. Hans wanted to destroy this leaflet and tore to pieces which he couldn't destroy anymore. So the Gestapo were able to find out the author very easily. So it was just a matter of time until Christoph was taken into custody when he wanted to visit his ill wife Herta. He had applied for holiday when he was arrested and transferred to Munich on February 19th 1943.


Important Members of the White Rose
Alexander Schmorell
Alexander Schmorell was born in 1917 as a son of a German doctor and his Russian wife. That is why he could speak Russian perfectly. He participated at the cultural life in Munich and did a lot of sports. He studied medicine and was an ambulance officer of the student company.

Willi Graf
Willi Graf was born in 1918. His father was a tradesman. He grew up with two sisters with receiving a very Catholic education which was the reason for his resistance against National Socialism. He studied medicine and was member of the student company, too.

Christoph Probst
was born in 1919 as the son of a quite rich family. His parents were divorced and he visited the grammar school of a boarding school which opposed the National Socialist influence for some years. That is why he had a very good relation to his sister. Probst was the only married member.

Professor Kurt Huber
was born in 1893 in Chur in Switzerland. He was a professor for music and psychology at Munich university. Because of his critical speeches his lectures were very popular and often attended by student with other subjects. He supported the White Rose mentally by writing texts for the leaflets

Resistance against Nazism in Germany
1. Financing and producing of the leaflets
The leaflets of the White Rose were produced in hiding-places in Munich. For example the friends used a back street studio. The leaflets were printed with type-writer on matrixes and then produced with a duplication machine. Machines, papers, matrixes envelopes and stamps were financed with charity and the own money. Fritz Hartnagel gave 1000 Reichsmark. To avoid suspicion the materials were bought in different shop all over Munich. The leaflets were also published in many big towns in Germany and Austria and in parts of England, Sweden and Norway.

2. The first leaflets

Nichts ist eines Kulturvolkes unwürdiger, als sich ohne Widerstand von einer verantwortungslosen und dunklen Trieben ergebenen Herrscherclique "regieren" zu lassen. Ist es nicht so, daß sich jeder ehrliche Deutsche heute seiner Regierung schämt, und wer von uns ahnt das Ausmaß der Schmach, die über uns und unsere Kinder kommen wird, wenn einst der Schleier von unseren Augen gefallen ist und die grauenvolisten und jegliches Maß unendlich überschreitenden Verbrechen ans Tageslicht treten? Wenn das deutsche Volk schon so in seinem tiefsten Wesen korrumpiert und zerfallen ist, daß es, ohne eine Hand zu regen, im leichtsinnigen Vertrauen auf eine fragwürdige Gesetzmäßigkeit der Geschichte das Höchste, das ein Mensch besitzt und das ihn über jede andere Kreatur erhöht, nämlich den freien Willen, preisgibt, die Freiheit des Menschen preisgibt, selbst mit einzugreifen in das Rad der Geschichte und es seiner vernünftigen Entscheidung unterzuordnen wenn die Deutschen, so jeder Individualität bar, schon so sehr zur geistlosen und feigen Masse geworden sind, dann, ja dann verdienen sie den Untergang. (...) Wenn jeder wartet, bis der andere anfängt, werden die Boten der rächenden Nemesis unaufhaltsam näher und näher rücken, dann wird auch das letzte Opfer sinnlos in den Rachen des unersättlichen Dämons geworfen sein. Daher muß jeder einzelne seiner Verantwortung als Mitglied der christlichen und abendländischen Kultur bewußt in dieser letzten Stunde sich wehren, soviel er kann, arbeiten wider die Geißel der Menschheit, wider den Faschismus und jedes ihm ähnliche System des absoluten Staates. Leistet passiven Widerstand - Widerstand -, wo immer Ihr auch seid, verhindert das Weiterlaufen dieser atheistischen Kriegsmaschine, ehe es zu spät ist, ehe die letzten Städte ein Trümmerhaufen sind, gleich Köln, und ehe die letzte Jugend des Volkes irgendwo für die Hybris eines Untermenschen verblutet ist. Vergeßt nicht, daß ein jedes Volk diejenige Regierung verdient, die es erträgt! (...)
Wir bitten Sie, dieses Blatt mit möglichst vielen Durchschlägen abzuschreiben und weiterzuvertellen!


The First leaf let was published in July 1942 with a circulation of 100, which were produced by Hans Scholl, Alexander Schmorell and Christoph Probst. The text begins like this: "A cultural nation can't give itself to a group of powerful people without resistance." Some people who got these leaflets obeyed the law and took them to the police. Some found the involvement against Hitler good. They followed the request to copy the leaflets and give them to other people. The friends were in great danger because of their work. They kept their actions with the White Rose secret from their families to avoid bringing danger to them.

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3. War service and the three next leaflets
In July 1942 the student company was ordered to Russia and Sophie had to do auxiliary service in an armaments factory for six months. Until the end of 1942 three other leaflets were published to enlighten to population about the Wehrmacht (army) and the SS, and were asked for resistance. The texts of the leaflets elucidated the meaninglessness of the National Socialism and the stupidity of the contemporary German leaders.

4. The fifth leaflet
In the beginning of 1943 the leaflet with the title "request to all Germans" was published by the White Rose. It requested to abolish the imperialism and militarism as well as the reintroduction of a constitutional state in Germany with the help of the European countries. 1000 pieces of this leaflet were sent around in Germany always with the request to copy them again. Important contents were sentences like "The war will surely come to an end", "Hitler cannot win the war he can just lengthen it" or "Decide before it is too late".

5. The speech of Giesler at the 470th anniversary of Munich University
In January 1943 the Gauleiter (party leader) of Munich Giesler made a speech in front of the students. In his speech he said: " Give a child to Hitler instead of hanging around here.". The female students were very angry about this and could rely on the sympathy of their friends. It was a stir. During the following riots there were fights between the students and the SS. The riots held on for almost three weeks.

6. The sixth and last leaflet

Kommilitoninnen! Kommilitonen!
Erschüttert steht unser Volk vor dem Untergang der Männer von Stalingrad. Dreihundertdreißigtausend deutsche Männer hat die geniale Strategie des Weltkriegsgefreiten sinn- und verantwortungslos in Tod und Verderben gehetzt. Führer, wir danken dir!
Es gärt im deutschen Volk: Wollen wir weiter einem Dilettanten das Schicksal unserer Armeen anvertrauen? Wollen wir den niedrigsten Machtinstinkten einer Parteiclique den Rest unserer deutschen Jugend opfern? Nimmermehr! Der Tag der Abrechnung ist gekommen, der Abrechnung der deutschen Jugend mit der verabscheuungswürdigsten Tyrannis, die unser Volke erduldet hat. Im Namen des ganzen deutschen Volkes fordern wir vom Staat Adolf Hitlers die persönliche Freiheit, das kostbarste Gut der Deutschen zurück, um das er uns in der erbärmlichsten Weise betrogen.
In einem Staat rücksichtsloser Knebelung jeder freien Meinungsäußerung sind wir aufgewachsen. HJ, SA und SS haben uns in den fruchtbarsten Bildungsjahren unseres Lebens zu uniformieren, zu revolutionieren, zu narkotisieren versucht. "Weltanschauliche Schulung" hieß die verächtliche Methode, das aufkeimende Selbstdenken und Selbstwerten in einem Nebel leerer Phrasen zu ersticken. Eine Führerauslese, wie sie teuflischer und zugleich bornierter nicht gedacht werden kann, zieht ihre künftigen Parteibonzen auf Ordensburgen zu gottlosen, schamlosen und gewissenlosen Ausbeutern und Mordbuben heran, zur blinden, stupiden Führergefolgschaft. Wir Arbeiter des Geistes, wären gerade recht, dieser neuen Herrenschicht den Knüppel zu machen. Frontkämpfer werden von Studentenführern und Gauleiteraspiranten wie Schulbuben gemaßregelt, Gauleiter greifen mit geilen Späßen den Studentinnen an die Ehre. (...)
Es gibt für uns nur eine Parole: Kampf gegen die Partei! Heraus aus den Parteigliederungen, in denen man uns politisch weiter mundtot halten will! Heraus aus den Hörsälen der SS-Unter- und -Oberführer und Parteikriecher! Es geht uns um wahre Wissenschaft und echte Geistesfreiheit! Kein Drehmittel kann uns schrecken, auch nicht die Schließung unserer Hochschulen. Es gilt den Kampf jedes einzelnen von uns um unsere.Zukunft, unsere Freiheit und Ehre in einem seiner sittlichen Verantwortung bewußten Staatswesen.
Freiheit und Ehre! Zehn lange Jahre haben Hitler und seine Genossen die beiden herrlichen deutschen Worte bis zum Ekel ausgequetscht, abgedroschen, verdreht, wie es nur Dilettanten vermögen, die die höchsten Werte einer Nation vor die Säue werfen. Was ihnen Freiheit und Ehre gilt, das haben sie in zehn Jahren der Zerstörung aller materiellen und geistigen Freiheit, aller sittlichen Substanz im deutschen Volk genugsam gezeigt. Auch dem dümmsten Deutschen hat das furchtbare Blutbad die Augen geöffnet, das sie im Namen von Freiheit und Ehre der deutschen Nation in ganz Europa angerichtet haben und täglich neu anrichten. Der deutsche Name bleibt für immer geschändet, wenn nicht die deutsche Jugend endlich aufsteht, rächt und sühnt zugleich, ihre Peiniger zerschmettert und ein neues geistiges Europa aufrichtet. Studentinnen! Studenten! Auf uns sieht das deutsche Volk! Von uns erwartet es, wie 1813 die Brechung des Napoleonischen, so 1943 die Brechung des nationalsozialistischen Terrors aus der Macht des Geistes. Beresina und Stalingrad flammen im Osten auf, die Toten von Stalingrad beschwören uns!
"Frisch auf mein Volk, die Flammenzeichen rauchen!"
Unser Volk steht im Aufbruch gegen die Verknechtung Europas durch den Nationalsozialismus, im neuen gläubigen Durchbruch von Freiheit und Ehre.


The defeat near Stalingrad on 2/2/43 where 146, 000 German soldiers died and another 90, 000 were taken prisoners of war made the members of the White Rose publish their sixth leaflet. This leaflet had a circulation of more than 3.000 copies and was sent by mail all around in Germany. In the nights to the 3rd, 5th and 15th February the friends painted slogans like "freedom" and "away with Hitler" on the walls of the university. On 2/18/43 the Scholls decided to distribute the leaflets during the lectures at university. This action wasn't coordinated with the other members and didn't agree with their normal way of acting. They took a big suitcase filled with leaflets and put them down in front of the lecture halls and on window sills. Shortly before the end of the lectures they threw a big number of leaflets into the main hall but the caretaker saw them and called the Gestapo so that they got arrested.

Lawsuit, Judgement and Execution
After being arrested the Gestapo questioned him and reconstructed his leaflet.

"Christoph Probst under political arrest asked about the text of his script answered the following: Because of the documents - type writing, photocopy of the original leaflet - given to me I'm able to reconstruct this:
... I managed to reconstruct the text as well as possible. I don't want to say any other word. Christoph Probst."

After being arrested Christoph was very optimistic and did not even think about being executed which finally was the case. In a letter he wrote to his mother: "By misfortune I am in a very uncomfortable situation. I don't lie if I tell you that I'm fine and that I'm very relaxed. The treatment is all right and life in prison is so that I am not afraid of being arrested for a long time ... I'm only worried about you, my wife and the small children..."

On February 22nd 1943 after these police examinations the lawsuit against Christoph Probst, Hans and Sophie Scholl took place. The judge was the notorious Roland Freisler who came especially for this lawsuit from Berlin which shows the significance the White Rose had to the Nazis. In his trial Christoph tried to convince the judges that he had written the leaflet under psychotic depressions to get extenuating circumstances: he said that both the drama of Stalingrad, the political and military situation and his personal problems and family affairs had made him write this leaflet. Because of his family it was important to him to save his head instead of proudly being executed.

His strategy wasn't successful. Although Hans Scholl tried to protect him, Probst was sentenced to death. The reason was as the judges said:

"The defendants have appealed for the sabotage of armament and striking down the National Socialistic way of life of our people and insulted our Führer (Hitler) very badly and so helped the enemy of our land and brought damage to our army by publishing leaflets during the war.

Therefore they were sentenced to d e a t h."

About Christoph Probst they said:

"He is an apolitical person, so no real man! Neither the solicitude of the National Socialist state for his education nor the fact that only the National Socialist population policy made it possible for him to have a family while being a student obstructed from writing a script for Hans Scholl, which used the heroic fight of Stalingrad to call the Führer a con man...

Who traits... our inner front and so during the war our army and so helps the enemy... threatens our land. This is also correct for Probst who claims that this script was not supposed to become a leaflet, but that does not conform with the printings on the script...

If actions like those are not punished with the capital punishment, this would be the beginning of the end like in 1918."

On the same day Christoph Probst and the Scholls were executed under the guillotine in a Munich prison. Before their execution they got the chance to write to their relatives. Those weren't allowed to receive the letters, they were only allowed to read them in the presence of the Gestapo. So we are dependent on minutes from memory. Christoph wrote to his mother:

"Thank you for spending life to me. If I think about it it was the only way to God... My only sorrow is the pain I bring to you. Don't cry because it would bring pain to me forever.

I've just heard that I've got only one hour to live. Now I'm going to be baptized and to receive the Holy Communion. If I'm not able to write another letter send greeting to everyone I love and tell them that my death was easy and happy."

And to his sister Angelika:

"I didn't know that dieing was so easy. I die without any hatred. Soon I'll be closer to you than ever before. I'll wait for you."

http://www.schulen.org/cpg/schule/probstnavi.htm
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Postby Nigel on 17 Apr 2002 05:09

Timo:

Thanks for a wonderful biography of C. Probst and a family picture I have not seen before. I have always found the story of the White Rose group inspiring. While the military plotters were active in 1944 when it was apparent Germany was going to lose the war, these young people started their resistance campaign when Germany was at the very peak of its military successes. Their opposition was pure based upon their clear perception of the basic evil of the NSDAP regime.

Additional web sites can be found at http://www.thirdreich.net under RESISTANCE. The links include one to the textof all the leaflets and one to a site containing the memories of Dr Geo Wittenstein, a survivor of the student group currently living in California, USA.

Cheers :lol:

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Postby Timo on 17 Apr 2002 20:46

Hallo Nigel,

Here are some additional photos:

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Christoph Probst as a child

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Katharina und Hermann Probst

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Highschool graduate (Abiturient)

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Dezember 1942 in Lermoos

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Vacation in the Bavarian mountains

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Prison photo taken by the Gestapo

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Statue at the Christoph Probst Gymnasium Gilching

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Postby Ovidius on 17 Apr 2002 23:36

Timo wrote:At a meeting at a summer evening in 1942 he said as Inge Aicher-Scholl remembers:

"We have to do it. We have to show our attitude by devotion that it isn't the end of freedom for the people. We have to risk this "no" against a power which raises itself above all people and which wants to kill all resistants. We have to do it for life's sake. This responsibilty can't be taken away by anyone else. National Socialism is the name of a mental illness which has infected our people. were must not look at it dying slowly."


The First leaf let was published in July 1942 with a circulation of 100, which were produced by Hans Scholl, Alexander Schmorell and Christoph Probst. The text begins like this: "A cultural nation can't give itself to a group of powerful people without resistance."


3. War service and the three next leaflets
In July 1942 the student company was ordered to Russia and Sophie had to do auxiliary service in an armaments factory for six months. Until the end of 1942 three other leaflets were published to enlighten to population about the Wehrmacht (army) and the SS, and were asked for resistance. The texts of the leaflets elucidated the meaninglessness of the National Socialism and the stupidity of the contemporary German leaders.


OK, until here it's understandable. They had some personal problem with the regime, which is even understandable considering the restraints of wartime life.

4. The fifth leaflet
In the beginning of 1943 the leaflet with the title "request to all Germans" was published by the White Rose. It requested to abolish the imperialism and militarism as well as the reintroduction of a constitutional state in Germany with the help of the European countries.


Now here the logical string breaks.

"They" asked all Germans to re-establish a constitutional state with the help of the European countries.

Exactly which European countries?

Britain, whose leaders were more than content to fry Germans alive, and rejected every attempt to negotiate with the two most infamous words in the history of war - Unconditional Surrender?

France, whose Resistance fighters shot Germans from the back?

Italy, who got involved stupidly in the war, doing the huge blunder which the North African campaign was and left the scene in blood allowing the Allies to disembark on her shores?

Poland, whose inhabitants cut unarmed Germans to pieces when they had the opportunity to do it?

Or maybe the Workers' Paradise itself, the mighty Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, under the leadership of Our Almighty Comrade Marshal Joseph Stalin? :x

Just what did those guys think: that the Allies will just come in peace to an unconditionally surrenderred Germany, to be greeted with flowers by the inhabitants and to give chewing-gum and whiskey to them? If they thought things like this, it's a great pity they could not live up to 1945-1946 - the mock-trials would have been a cold shower for those who claimed that Hitler disabled German justice. If he did it, he had a lot to learn from the Nuremberg Kangaroo Court aka IMT.

"A cultural nation can't give itself to a group of powerful people without resistance." Exactly this did they claim: to surrender without resistance to the American magnates and the Soviet Bolsheviks.

My dear Mr. Timo Worst from Amsterdam, for the professional historian you claim to be, you seem much misinformed about the intellectual climate in Europe from 1919 to 1939. You seem to disregard totally how most intelligent people of the European intellectual elite got deceived by the Soviet propaganda, how many of them supported both the USSR and the cause of the Leftist groups around. You seem not to have ever put into balance on one side the support the Spanish Republicans got from all Marxist scum around, and on other side the support they got from otherwise honest men who were deceived into believing that the Left cause is right. How many volunteers, otherwise non-Communist, went to Spain to give their blood for the Republican side, and how many guys today claim they were right? How many "Liberal" journalists had loathed in the 1930s the cause of National Socialism, while on the same time approving everything Stalin did in the USSR?(At least everything the outside people knew he did) If you want quotes, here I am - I can provide entire books. Don't forget I've used to live in Communism.

For the beginning, just one quote:"The fate of culture in unbreakably linked to the fate of the Soviet Union. We will defend her." Andre Gide, 1935.

Therefore, one of the masters of European philosophy and literature said it openly - he was a supporter of the Soviet system. Or at least of the polished and trimmed side of the system he could see in his trips to USSR, from the windows of the luxury hotels in Moscow, or from the window of the Intourist car - the Lincoln V-12 purchased from the "Capitalist enemy" USA.

Most of the intellectuals of outside Germany in the 1930s were Leftist sympathizers. Older professors, in Germany, the mentors of the White Rose group, had also been sympathizers. The university people who believed in Hitler were just a sorry minority prior to 1933, and afterwards they just threw, like snakes, their Red skin to take a Brown one. For those men and women, Soviet Communism appeared as a normal continuation to Liberalism - the opposition to the "Authoritarian" National Socialism. They were wrong, but how could they know? Lots of Liberals turned Left after 1938 - thye claimed that the "Bourgeois society" had proved its weakness by trying to "appease the dictators who respected only force". In Romania, at least, were hundreds of writers, journalists, philosophers who began to sympathize the Left cause, although they feared the Soviet claims over Romanian territories.

The same for the White Rose. They had been cheated to believe in fake idols, to hope good things from universal sources of evil. Hans Scholl himself had links with the Communist Rote Kapelle, of a guy of equal naiveness - the Red aristocrat Soviet spy Harro Schulze Boysen. If they thought the Soviets were right and they, as Germans, were guilty of anything, fine! But if this happened, I don't give a damn about them. Those who are naive enough to believe in the fairness of the Allies in WWII were much too stupid to deserve compassion. I agree they did not deserve to die - death is not a punishment for fools - but at least to be sent for a short period of time in a penal unit in Poland or Russia. When they were going to see what the Russian and Polish partisans could do, it's pretty possible they would have changed their opinion.

I repeat: I do not think they deserved death. The members of the Scholl faction were just misled persons, acting in a desperate gamble on a wrong way, somehow like Hitler himself did in the Ardenne Offensive. Unlike them, the military officers of the Stauffenberg group, starting with Stauffenberg himself, were real bastards - aristocrats who thought they were the rightful owners and lords of Germany and that everyone else should either do what they want - or to die because of bomb. Only that the sorry Adolf with funny moustache was too stubborn and tough to succumb when Herr Graf decided to erase him from the face of Earth.

~Best regards,

Ovidius

PS Of course, I find the decision of the German Government to name schools and streets after White Rose members a deeply pitful sample of Political Correctness.
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Postby Roberto on 18 Apr 2002 00:02

Nice sermon, Ovi.

Your ideological blindfold seems to render you unable to distinguish two issues that should be viewed and assessed separately.

One is whether the White Rose group had a clear-cut political program that stood a chance of success under the circumstances. They probably had no such program, which is what your criticism is all about.

The other is whether the attitude of a group of young people who made a suicidal stand against a murderous dictatorship on grounds of purely moral and humanitarian considerations is an example of courageous civilian disobedience to tyranny. It certainly is, in my opinion. What the White Rose did was admirable, however utopic their goals may have been in the face of the political realities of the time.
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Re: Die Weisse Rose...

Postby Timo on 18 Apr 2002 00:10

Ovidius wrote:Exactly which European countries?


Just what did those guys think: that the Allies will just come in peace to an unconditionally surrenderred Germany, to be greeted with flowers by the inhabitants and to give chewing-gum and whiskey to them? If they thought things like this, it's a great pity they could not live up to 1945-1946 - the mock-trials would have been a cold shower for those who claimed that Hitler disabled German justice. If he did it, he had a lot to learn from the Nuremberg Kangaroo Court aka IMT.


And you expect that three students in 1943 München had the means and the possibilities to have full understanding of what they could expect from the allies? Oblivious my dear, all they knew was that Hitler was the wrong choice. They had the means and possibilities to see that because it was all around them every day. Same with Schulze Boysen, who believed in communism but who would never have been able to live in the DDR. Everything he believed in was completely different from Stalinism. But he didn't know. The grass is allways greener on the other side of the hill. You hold against them what you've learned looking back 60 years later. Thats just not fair.

My dear Mr. Timo Worst from Amsterdam, for the professional historian you claim to be, you seem much misinformed about the intellectual climate in Europe from 1919 to 1939.


Hmmm. It seems you want me to be something I never claimed to be. I never claimed to be a professional historian. I studied history here in Amsterdam but I never made it my profession. I have a nice nine to five job. Writing about history is a hobby, including being part of the LAH/Ardennes research group.

You make too much of their political backgrounds. Like I said. The grass is allways greener on the other side of the hill. Cheated to believe in fake idols or not. They knew that their present situation was something they could agree with.

Those who are naive enough to believe in the fairness of the Allies in WWII were much too stupid to deserve compassion


Yet thousands of people believed in it but did not act. For being brave enough to act the Weisse Rose members deserve respect.

I agree they did not deserve to die - death is not a punishment for fools - but at least to be sent for a short period of time in a penal unit in Poland or Russia. When they were going to see what the Russian and Polish partisans could do, it's pretty possible they would have changed their opinion.


Thanks a million o mighty Oblivious. Not only do you display your power to ridicule and condemn people by looking back at them 60 years later with todays knowledge, you also show us that you wanted to show them the color of the grass in the east. You are such a mercifull man.

I repeat: I do not think they deserved death. The members of the Scholl faction were just misled persons


Thanks. I did not write the article but I fully agree with the authors.
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Re: Die Weisse Rose...

Postby Ovidius on 18 Apr 2002 00:27

Timo wrote:And you expect that three students in 1943 München had the means and the possibilities to have full understanding of what they could expect from the allies?


Plenty of military men and civil officials understood at least part of it. Otherwise, how would have the thousands of SS men made up to immigrate to South America without preparing themselves from time, even two or three years prior to the war's end?

Schulze Boysen, who believed in communism but who would never have been able to live in the DDR. Everything he believed in was completely different from Stalinism. But he didn't know. The grass is allways greener on the other side of the hill. You hold against them what you've learned looking back 60 years later. Thats just not fair.


You've held repeatedly against Hitler's decision to fight a war what you've learned looking back 60 years later. That's just as unfair.

You make too much of their political backgrounds.


This is what Communism had learned us: to check everytime someone's background, or even better, his file. In Communism, anything could depend on a good or bad line in someone's personnel file, even years after the respective event.

Like I said. The grass is allways greener on the other side of the hill. Cheated to believe in fake idols or not. They knew that their present situation was something they could agree with.


Maybe something they could not agree with, since they risked(and lost) their lives trying to change it.

Those who are naive enough to believe in the fairness of the Allies in WWII were much too stupid to deserve compassion


Yet thousands of people believed in it but did not act. For being brave enough to act the Weisse Rose members deserve respect.


I did not spoke about respect, but compassion. I personally don't give a damn on their bleak fate.

Thanks a million o mighty Oblivious. Not only do you display your power to ridicule and condemn people by looking back at them 60 years later with todays knowledge, you also show us that you wanted to show them the color of the grass in the east.


Yes. Informed and experienced people usually do not do blunders with their own lives.

You are such a mercifull man.


Ain't I !? :P :P :P

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Postby Roberto on 18 Apr 2002 00:35

Yes. Informed and experienced people usually do not do blunders with their own lives.


Exactly, old man. They bleat "Führer befiehl, wir folgen" like a herd of sheep and do whatever their messiah asks them to do. The convenient and safe attitude of the mediocre masses that enables war-lords and mass murderers to wreak havoc.
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Re: Die Weisse Rose...

Postby Timo on 18 Apr 2002 00:39

Ovidius wrote:Plenty of military men and civil officials understood at least part of it. Otherwise, how would have the thousands of SS men made up to immigrate to South America without preparing themselves from time, even two or three years prior to the war's end?


...Three young students are not SS men or civilian officials.

You've held repeatedly against Hitler's decision to fight a war what you've learned looking back 60 years later. That's just as unfair.


...Simply not true and besides that, defending yourself with such an argument is quite lame.

This is what Communism had learned us: to check everytime someone's background, or even better, his file. In Communism, anything could depend on a good or bad line in someone's personnel file, even years after the respective event.


...Another lame argument. This is what communism learned us, not them. They did not have this knowledge about communism. For them it was still the green grass.

Maybe something they could not agree with, since they risked(and lost) their lives trying to change it.


...A typing error. Sorry about that, but you know what I mean.

I did not spoke about respect, but compassion. I personally don't give a damn on their bleak fate.


...Just for that you're a jerk.
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Postby Ovidius on 18 Apr 2002 00:51

medorjurgen wrote:
Yes. Informed and experienced people usually do not do blunders with their own lives.


Exactly, old man. They bleat "Führer befiehl, wir folgen" like a herd of sheep and do whatever their messiah asks them to do. The convenient and safe attitude of the mediocre masses that enables war-lords and mass murderers to wreak havoc.


This is a sword with two edges. The mediocre masses can be influenced in believeing in the Political Correctness of today, just like they were influenced into Leftism in the 1930s, by propaganda. But the same weapon can be used against the authors of Political Correctness itself - and the hunted becomes hunter. Frightful, ain't it? :?

Actually the ignorant mediocres can be seen under two aspects: as a mass of quasi-brainless pawns used for political manoeuvers under the leadership of the elite, or as a pool from which the future Übermenschen can be recruited and trained. Regardless of choice, the ignorant mediocre who was not trained and enlightened will live forward just as he had done before, without ever suspecting what manoeuvers and arrangements took place just beside him. Even more frightful, ain't it? 8)

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Postby Ovidius on 18 Apr 2002 01:02

Speaking of ignorant masses deceived by propaganda, I've just remembered a quote from Frank Herbert's Dune:

"The people must know how well are they led [by us]. And how could they know, if we won't tell them?"

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Postby Nigel on 18 Apr 2002 05:09

The White Rose poster on my wall says it all ..................

"Resistance to tyranny is obediance to God"

Cheers

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Postby Ovidius on 20 Apr 2002 17:59

The White Rose poster on my wall says it all ..................

"Resistance to tyranny is obediance to God"


Interesting.... 8)

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Postby Scott Smith on 21 Apr 2002 05:18

Nigel wrote:The White Rose poster on my wall says it all ..................

"Resistance to tyranny is obediance to God"


"Obedience to God" is the most abused and the most dangerous tyranny of all.

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WHITE ROSE...

Postby Scott Smith on 21 Apr 2002 06:40

They seem like naïve, egg-sucking liberal types, especially the jackass with the pipe, who would have donated blood for the Viet Cong in order to fight Evil too, I suppose. In another time, another place, maybe he would have just been caught smoking pot.

The difference here being that the Viet Cong were never declared the enemy and were NOT trying to destroy our country. Germany's enemies were, one blockbuster bomb at a time.

I personally don't think that these "students" deserved death, but undermining German morale and resistance to Germany's enemies is TREASON and that's that. In spite of the fuzzy and warm family photos, a little time in a labor camp quarrying gravel for roads or digging anti-tank ditches should have been sufficient correction. The government simply overreacted to these clowns. They were not half as dangerous as the Junkers who tried to kill Hitler and restore their hereditary rights as Germany's elite before it was too late.

I could be sympathetic to the tragic fate of these unfortunate elitists. Being a maverick and nonconformist myself, I WANT to be. But the Victimology nowadays that makes heroes out of common traitors is just too hard to swallow. I hope my country never degenerates so far.
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