Waffen SS Stamper fake or not?

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What do you guys think about this stamper? Fake or not? I've read there are a lot of fakes being made after this kind of thing. It's selling at a good price (and it looks good to me but hey i'm by no means an expert) and i'm interested in buying it, but i wanted to hear your opinions about it first. What would be the price tag on one of these, 100$? It's advertise to have belonged to the train station post office of Sachsenhausen, Frankfurt am Main, the head of the stamper to be 3.5 cm in diameter and made out of brass, the aver-all height 11.5cm. Here are the pictures

stamper 1

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stamper 2

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stamper 3

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here is a picture of the stamp being produced by it

stamp

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[John G.]

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Hard to be 100% sure, but I'd pass.....too many reproductions out there, too many SS runes, too unique Konzentration Camp, Totenkopf, Waffen SS....sucker bait, in my opinion. Handle may be original German, but the rest doesn't impress me.....(and if it was real, definately SS Totenkopfstrummbann Sachsenhausen it should be worth ALOT more than $100.00!!!!!!)

My "gut feeling" is run away......save your money (You can buy an excellent reproduction for under $25.00.)
John G.

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Well 25$ is the price that i'm hoping i could buy this at. I asked if it's worth 100$ because i found something similar being sold on ioffer.com for that amount, but that one looks a little bit shakier than this one and i'm not interested in reproductions. Is there any way that this can be further put to the test? Was it supposed to be marked on the brass rim? cause i've read somewhere smth about that. And if the handle is authentic i have the tendency to believe the stamp is ok too since it's being sold at such a low price and i don't think the seller bothered to switch it so as to make it more appealing, also he's not a militaria dealer (it could have been switched over time at some point tho...). Thanks for the reply John

[John G.]

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There's no way of being 100% sure.....like I said, it's VERY doubtful in my opinion....but for $25.00 you can't complain either way.....however, my gut instinct says it is a reproduction....a great many of these type document stamps are on ebay with vintage handles, etc.....that means nothing! The "story" also means nothing.....and this stamp isn't a Postal type stamp, this would be a document stamp from the unit's HQs, so the story is bull crap, too. I don't mean you shouldn't buy it (for the $25.00 that is.....) and you can stamp away.....but as far as being original ....NOT!

Like I said.....if it was original SS Deathshead from a KZ it would be worth alot more than $100.00......this is sucker bait I'm afraid. Buy it as a novelty item, not as an original.
John G.

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is this how it was supposed to look like?

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[John G.]

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Again...hard to be 100% sure but this one has much better formation of letters, etc. and a much more believable text....
Not something anyone would typically reproduce (not SS!)....not from a KZ......but who knows.....These are easy for talented hands to reproduce (I couldn't, of course!)
John G.

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I've got the point; one more question tho... How come this last one and all that are being sold along it have such poor wood work?

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[John G.]

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Not really that bad "wood turning".....these would be cut "in-mass" by automated lathes, and were meant for utlitarian use, not a master-piece of woodwork. If you notice, however....the black crud on the top of the handle- something I'd expect to see on an original, well used stamp......(built up dirt/sweat/etc. from use).

I've only had a couple German stampers that came in vet. lots, both were (are) "rubber stamps", not metal. I do have a Royal Italian Postal stamp with a metal stamp.....that also was "liberated" by a GI.

Remember....ANYTHING "SS" automatically should make the hairs standup on the back of your neck.....there's a 90% chance it's not on the up & up and NEVER believe the story on "face value" alone! The item itself tells the true story!
Good luck and keep trying....we all had to learn "the hard way" and have had our share of dissappointments along the way.
John G.

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Well some of them look really crude and even tho they weren't made to be works of art i guess it was pretty unpleasant to wield that rugged wood in your hand all day... Keeping in mind they where pretty fussy about the quality of the workmanship... The handle didn't quite fit my mental picture of what it should of looked like . The first one that i posted was more like it. That's why i asked... Anyway god damn fakers hope i don't have any shit in my collection already. I'm picking a black light tomorrow; want to see the response on some flags that i own. I'll post some pics of the collection when i get the time maybe you can take a look and tell me what you think.

All the best,
Victor

[Luca]

All the items show in this page are fakes make in Poland some years ago. The quality of these fakes can change concern the wood part that can be, as we can see in the first pic, good original items, also if no necessary makes for military use.
For our lucky the metal part of these fakes have very poor quality, all are make in the same system and with the same metals, so are very easy to detect.
Sorry for my poor english
Luca

[grzes1972]

Guys,
I'm from Poland and bought it already, is it fake?
Thank You for oppinion. Below pictures:

http://www.aukcjoner.pl/gallery/0033531 ... zdjec.html

[John G.]

grzes1972,
Welcome to the Forum......

Sorry to say, almost 100% sure your "Waffen SS" stamper is a reproduction.....like I said earlier, so easy to reproduce, and your's has no information or unit identification (except being Waffen SS)....In my opinion "NO WAY".....but you won't be the last person fooled I'm sure....

We're here to help....
John G.

[grzes1972]

Thank You very much for answer,
fortunately wasn't so expensive.
Grzes.

[Jungco]

Those handles give these away as fake. The real ones are smaller and ususally painted or varnished.
Jeff