Argentina artillery Id.
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Argentinian 105 mm guns
Hello all.
This is L/17.8, I don't see similarities with Canon C Mle 34.
These are old photos of L30.8. And the lower ones are made in Florencio Varela, a suburb (?) of Buenos Aires. The monument is dedicated to Falkland War, the gun may be a replica.
Also I found at zonamilitar some information about Cañón Schneider de Caballería de 105mm L 12,4 Modelo Argentino 1928:
Cañón Schneider de Campaña de 105mm L 17,8 Modelo Argentino 1928:
Cañón Schneider de Campaña de 105mm L 30,8 Modelo Argentino 1928:
Could anyone please translate the text from Spanish? It seems to be a lot of information.
Here're some pictures from militariarg.Sturm78 wrote: Cañón calibre 105 mm L 30,8 modelo 1928 Schneider, alcance 15 Km
Cañón calibre 105 mm L 17,8 modelo 1928 Schneider, alcance 9 Km
This is L/17.8, I don't see similarities with Canon C Mle 34.
These are old photos of L30.8. And the lower ones are made in Florencio Varela, a suburb (?) of Buenos Aires. The monument is dedicated to Falkland War, the gun may be a replica.
Also I found at zonamilitar some information about Cañón Schneider de Caballería de 105mm L 12,4 Modelo Argentino 1928:
Cañón Schneider de Campaña de 105mm L 17,8 Modelo Argentino 1928:
Cañón Schneider de Campaña de 105mm L 30,8 Modelo Argentino 1928:
Could anyone please translate the text from Spanish? It seems to be a lot of information.
With best regards, Ilya.
Argentinian 105 mm guns, P.S.
Here're pictures of Turkish 105 mm gun similar to L/17.8: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 0&start=11
With best regards, Ilya.
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Hi all,
I have some doubts about these images: I think 105mm Schneider L30.8 gun barrel trailers but I am not sure.
ain92 identified the first image as a 105mm Schneider M1928 L17.8 howitzer but I think this howitzer was transported in a only load, not in two different loads.
In http://www.militariarg.com there are this list of argentinean artillery in 105mm calibre:
105mm L12,4 M1928 Howitzer Montagne/Field Gun (Schneider). Is this the weapon designated by ain92 as Cañon Schneider de caballería M1928 L12.4 ??
105mm L17.8 M1928 Field Gun (Schneider). See ain92 first image
105mm L18.6 M1928 Howitzer (Schneider). Any idea ????
105mm L30 M1928 (Schneider). See ain92 images
Images from http://www.militariarg.com
Sturm78
I have some doubts about these images: I think 105mm Schneider L30.8 gun barrel trailers but I am not sure.
ain92 identified the first image as a 105mm Schneider M1928 L17.8 howitzer but I think this howitzer was transported in a only load, not in two different loads.
In http://www.militariarg.com there are this list of argentinean artillery in 105mm calibre:
105mm L12,4 M1928 Howitzer Montagne/Field Gun (Schneider). Is this the weapon designated by ain92 as Cañon Schneider de caballería M1928 L12.4 ??
105mm L17.8 M1928 Field Gun (Schneider). See ain92 first image
105mm L18.6 M1928 Howitzer (Schneider). Any idea ????
105mm L30 M1928 (Schneider). See ain92 images
Images from http://www.militariarg.com
Sturm78
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What do you mean? Second image in my post (the same is first in yours) is labeled as L30.8, I didn't find an image of L17.8 in travelling position.Sturm78 wrote: I have some doubts about these images: I think 105mm Schneider L30.8 gun barrel trailers but I am not sure.
ain92 identified the first image as a 105mm Schneider M1928 L17.8 howitzer but I think this howitzer was transported in a only load, not in two different loads.
First of all, I haven't designate any of these pieces, but just copied it from zonamilitar forums. (Could you please translate the most important information from Spanish?)Sturm78 wrote: In http://www.militariarg.com there are this list of argentinean artillery in 105mm calibre:
105mm L12,4 M1928 Howitzer Montagne/Field Gun (Schneider). Is this the weapon designated by ain92 as Cañon Schneider de caballería M1928 L12.4 ??
105mm L17.8 M1928 Field Gun (Schneider). See ain92 first image
105mm L18.6 M1928 Howitzer (Schneider). Any idea ????
105mm L30 M1928 (Schneider). See ain92 images
Second, I'm sure that mountain howitzer is almost ideal for horse artillery use.
Third, I can't understandt how a field gun can have a shorter barrel than a howitzer.
With best regards, Ilya.
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Hi all,
I've been studying the information from zonamilitar fórums.
First: No mention of any 105mm L18.6 M1928 Howitzer (Schneider), so I came to the conclusion that this weapon does not exist.
Second: As for the 105mm L12,4 M1928 Cañón Schneider de Caballería (cavalry gun) , I still do not understand its usefulness , as the Argentineans bought on one hand the 105mm M1928 L12,4 (Schneider) mountain howitzer and by the other, the 105mm M1928 L17,8 field gun.
Here a list:
75mm M1928 L18,6 mountain gun
105mm M1928 L12.4 mountain howitzer
105mm M1928 L12.4 cavalry gun ( I think it would be rather would be a howitzer )
105mm M1928 L17,8 field gun ( I think it could also be classified as a howitzer )
105mm M1928 L30,8 field gun
155mm M1928 L15 howitzer
155mm M1928 or M1929 L30,8 heavy gun
Any correction or aditional information will be wellcome
Regards Sturm78
I've been studying the information from zonamilitar fórums.
First: No mention of any 105mm L18.6 M1928 Howitzer (Schneider), so I came to the conclusion that this weapon does not exist.
Second: As for the 105mm L12,4 M1928 Cañón Schneider de Caballería (cavalry gun) , I still do not understand its usefulness , as the Argentineans bought on one hand the 105mm M1928 L12,4 (Schneider) mountain howitzer and by the other, the 105mm M1928 L17,8 field gun.
Here a list:
75mm M1928 L18,6 mountain gun
105mm M1928 L12.4 mountain howitzer
105mm M1928 L12.4 cavalry gun ( I think it would be rather would be a howitzer )
105mm M1928 L17,8 field gun ( I think it could also be classified as a howitzer )
105mm M1928 L30,8 field gun
155mm M1928 L15 howitzer
155mm M1928 or M1929 L30,8 heavy gun
Any correction or aditional information will be wellcome
Regards Sturm78
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Hi all,
Could be these wagons ammunition limbers for the 155mm Schneider M1928 L15 howitzers or for the 105mm M1928 L30.8 field guns?
The wheels are very similar to those of the pieces of artillery
Image from http://www.militariarg.com
Sturm78
Could be these wagons ammunition limbers for the 155mm Schneider M1928 L15 howitzers or for the 105mm M1928 L30.8 field guns?
The wheels are very similar to those of the pieces of artillery
Image from http://www.militariarg.com
Sturm78
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Hello, Sturm78.
I can't help you with the caissons, but can comment the topic of light 105 mm howitzers. As I can see, the cradle of cavalry "gun", of mountain "gun" and of Spanish/Greek M1919 are very similar, so we can assume high extent of standartisation, and as long as the length of the barrel is equal we can suppose that the projectiles, the charges and the firing tables were the same. However, for minimal confidence we need more data for the artillery pieces.
As for the L17.8, you were certainly right about its designation! I noticed this image, probably marking on a trail of http://www.militariarg.com/uploads/4/2/ ... 6_orig.jpg:
As one can see it says "Obús", not the "Cañón"!
This source also claims existence of "Obús Schneider 105 mm Modelo L 15".
On militariarg.com there's an unsigned image, isn't it 105 mm L30.8?
I can't help you with the caissons, but can comment the topic of light 105 mm howitzers. As I can see, the cradle of cavalry "gun", of mountain "gun" and of Spanish/Greek M1919 are very similar, so we can assume high extent of standartisation, and as long as the length of the barrel is equal we can suppose that the projectiles, the charges and the firing tables were the same. However, for minimal confidence we need more data for the artillery pieces.
As for the L17.8, you were certainly right about its designation! I noticed this image, probably marking on a trail of http://www.militariarg.com/uploads/4/2/ ... 6_orig.jpg:
As one can see it says "Obús", not the "Cañón"!
This source also claims existence of "Obús Schneider 105 mm Modelo L 15".
On militariarg.com there's an unsigned image, isn't it 105 mm L30.8?
With best regards, Ilya.
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Thank you, Ilya
Regards Sturm78
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As a general rule, Latin American countries bought Krupp field artillery before WWI, but French artillery between the wars. In the late 1930s many again showed interest in German artillery, but not much was delivered before WWII broke out.
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Sid.
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Sid.
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Here're several photos of artillery acquired by Argentina from Schneider archives (original title of the album was "Présentation de différents matériels d'artillerie au polygone d'Harfleur" – "Presentation of different artillery pieces on the Harfleur proving ground", unfortunately no further info is provided and the "circa 1914" date is obviously far from reality, but the quality of photos allow to identify the artillery pieces with confidence). The 26-page album is worth downloading (I attached only few teasers), one can get it from http://octant.u-bourgogne.fr/portail/do ... 009-09.pdf
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With best regards, Ilya.
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Thank you very much for sharing, Ilya.
Here, an image (from EBay) of 40mm Bofors guns. According to photocaption in Argentinean service.
Does anyone know when these guns were purchased by Argentina? During WW2 or postwar ??
Sturm78
Here, an image (from EBay) of 40mm Bofors guns. According to photocaption in Argentinean service.
Does anyone know when these guns were purchased by Argentina? During WW2 or postwar ??
Sturm78
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Hi Ain92ain92 wrote:Here're several photos of artillery acquired by Argentina from Schneider archives (original title of the album was "Présentation de différents matériels d'artillerie au polygone d'Harfleur" – "Presentation of different artillery pieces on the Harfleur proving ground", unfortunately no further info is provided and the "circa 1914" date is obviously far from reality, but the quality of photos allow to identify the artillery pieces with confidence). The 26-page album is worth downloading (I attached only few teasers), one can get it from http://octant.u-bourgogne.fr/portail/do ... 009-09.pdf
The link does not seem to be workinbg at the moment. It looks like it could be a very useful document.
Yours
Clive
Clive
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Hello, Clive.Clive Mortimore wrote:Hi Ain92ain92 wrote:Here're several photos of artillery acquired by Argentina from Schneider archives (original title of the album was "Présentation de différents matériels d'artillerie au polygone d'Harfleur" – "Presentation of different artillery pieces on the Harfleur proving ground", unfortunately no further info is provided and the "circa 1914" date is obviously far from reality, but the quality of photos allow to identify the artillery pieces with confidence). The 26-page album is worth downloading (I attached only few teasers), one can get it from http://octant.u-bourgogne.fr/portail/do ... 009-09.pdf
The link does not seem to be workinbg at the moment. It looks like it could be a very useful document.
Yours
Clive
Unfortunately all the online version of the Schneider Archives (http://octant.u-bourgogne.fr/portail/documentsafb///) is down now. So I uploaded 50+ artillery-related documents from my HDD to Google Drive: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id= ... sp=sharing
With best regards, Ilya.