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Postby wildboar on 21 Apr 2002 14:43

The more than nine million Germans in East Prussia, Eastern Brandenburg, Eastern Pomerania, and Silesia would be moved to the four occupation zones of defeated rump-Germany

what is exact figure?medorjurgen can you provide some details
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Postby Davey Boy on 21 Apr 2002 15:55

I believe the figure was closer to 11 million. Some 2 million of these people were either murdered or died during the migration.

Oh well, that's what you get for voting the Nazis into power.
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Postby Thorfinn on 21 Apr 2002 16:46

The number of 12 million is the generally accepted amount of Germans that were ethnically cleansed from East Germany after the war. Some historians estimate it as high as 20 million. At least two million Germans lost their lives during the ethnic cleansing of East Germany.
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Postby Marcus Wendel on 21 Apr 2002 17:32

HETMAN wrote:Oh well, that's what you get for voting the Nazis into power.


Stop posting such provocative statements, thanks.

/Marcus
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Postby Ovidius on 21 Apr 2002 17:38

HETMAN wrote:I believe the figure was closer to 11 million. Some 2 million of these people were either murdered or died during the migration.

Oh well, that's what you get for voting the Nazis into power.


About 6 million Polish citizens(both Jews and Poles) lost their lives as a result of German actions.

Oh well, that's what you get for twisting Hitler's nerves too much. :P

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Postby Davey Boy on 21 Apr 2002 21:40

Ovidius wrote:
HETMAN wrote:I believe the figure was closer to 11 million. Some 2 million of these people were either murdered or died during the migration.

Oh well, that's what you get for voting the Nazis into power.


About 6 million Polish citizens(both Jews and Poles) lost their lives as a result of German actions.

Oh well, that's what you get for twisting Hitler's nerves too much. :P

~Ovidius



These people who died didn't twist Hitler's nerves. And the Polish government that did wasn't voted into power. Try again Ovi.
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Re: nine million germans expelleds ?

Postby Roberto on 22 Apr 2002 22:17

wildboar wrote:The more than nine million Germans in East Prussia, Eastern Brandenburg, Eastern Pomerania, and Silesia would be moved to the four occupation zones of defeated rump-Germany

what is exact figure?medorjurgen can you provide some details


wildboar,

The Statistisches Bundesamt of West Germany prepared a detailed account of these horrors in 1958, the key data of which can be found in Gunnar Heinsohn's Lexikon der Völkermorde, published in 1998 by the Rowohlt Taschenbuch Verlag in Reinbek by Hamburg. They are reproduced hereafter:

Baltic Countries and Memel Territory
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Ethnic German population 1944/45: 256,000
Thereof fled or expelled: 256,000
Thereof killed during flight
or expulsion: 66,000

Yugoslavia
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Ethnic German population 1944/45: 550,000
Thereof fled or expelled: 523,000
Thereof killed during flight
or expulsion: 135,000

German Eastern territories (East Prussia, East Pomerania, East Brandenburg, Silesia, Danzig)
----------------------------------------------
Ethnic German population 1944/45: 10,000,000
Thereof fled or expelled: 7,400,000
Thereof killed during flight or
expulsion: 1,225,000

Poland
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Ethnic German population 1944/45: 1,400,000
Thereof fled or expelled: 675,000
Thereof killed during flight
or expulsion: 263,000

Romania
-------
Ethnic German population 1944/45: 785,000
Thereof fled or expelled: 347,000
Thereof killed during flight
or expulsion: 101,000

Checoslovaquia
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Ethnic German population 1944/45: 3,274,000
Thereof fled or expelled: 2,921,000
Thereof killed during flight
or expulsion: 238,000

Hungary
-------
Ethnic German population 1944/45: 597,000
Thereof fled or expelled: 259,000
Thereof killed during flight
or expulsion: 53,000

Total German Eastern territories and Eastern Europe
---------------------------------------------------
Ethnic German population 1944/45: 16,862,000
Thereof fled or expelled: 12,381,000
Thereof killed during flight
or expulsion: 2,081,000

These figures refer to the postwar period 1945-1950. During the war itself, according to Heinsohn's "Lexikon", ca. 1.1 million ethnic Germans from the above mentioned territories lost their lives, as members of the German armed forces, through the outrages of and on the flight from the conquering Red Army or through allied bombing. According a statement by the Bundesminister für Vertriebene in 1962, quoted by Heinsohn, there were 128,000 refugees from the Eastern territories among those killed by allied bombing in Germany.
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Postby Rob S. on 22 Apr 2002 22:25

HETMAN wrote:I believe the figure was closer to 11 million. Some 2 million of these people were either murdered or died during the migration.

Oh well, that's what you get for voting the Nazis into power.


Hitler was never elected into power.

Also Hetman, why are you so racist against Germans? My goodness, all the Germans on these boards are anti-revisionist. One would think you could forgive something that happened before you were born.
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Postby Davey Boy on 23 Apr 2002 07:50

Rob S. wrote:
HETMAN wrote:I believe the figure was closer to 11 million. Some 2 million of these people were either murdered or died during the migration.

Oh well, that's what you get for voting the Nazis into power.


Hitler was never elected into power.

Also Hetman, why are you so racist against Germans? My goodness, all the Germans on these boards are anti-revisionist. One would think you could forgive something that happened before you were born.


Yes, I hate all Germans and I want them dead. Brilliant psycho-analysis. Well done.

Btw, do you have that info on Gdnask I asked you for? Thought not.
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Postby Roberto on 23 Apr 2002 12:45

Yes, I hate all Germans and I want them dead. Brilliant psycho-analysis. Well done.

Btw, do you have that info on Gdnask I asked you for? Thought not.


Hetman,

Rob may be dead wrong about you, but I see no reason to attack him instead of explaining why he's wrong. From what I've read of him, he seems to be quite a reasonable fellow.

Regards,

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Postby Ovidius on 23 Apr 2002 12:56

HETMAN wrote:Yes, I hate all Germans and I want them dead.


And of course, one can say this on the forum and his message is not deleted, neither is he threatened with banning. After all, the Germans are just "Nazi" scum, isn't it, Mr. Steven Spielberg?

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Postby viriato on 23 Apr 2002 13:02

Numbers quoted from Richard Overy "Historical Atlas of the Third Reich"

a-Pre-war population
b-German war losses (includes losses during expulsion)
c-german population by 1950 still in the territory
d-Settled in FRG
e-Settled in GDR
f-Settled in Austria

Baltic States:
a-249500
b-65600
c-15000
d-109900
e-56900

Dantzig:
a-380000
b-111900
c-4000
d-230200
e-60600

Poland(pre-1939 frontiers):
a-1371000
b-293000
c-431000
d-419600
e-268400

Czechoslovakia:
a-3477000
b-446600
c-250000
d-1917800
e-1082000

Hungary:
a-623000
b-89000
c-270000
d-149500
f-103500

Romania:
a-786000
b-136000
c-400000
d-178200
f-34800

Yugoslavia:
a-536800
b-175800
c-82000
d-148000
f-149500

Eastern Germany:

Silesia:
a-4576500
b-727100
c-870000
d-2090000
e-1138600

East Brandenburg:
a-642000
b-214000
c-16000
d-152900
e-277100

East Pomerania:
a-1883700
b-461900
c-55000
d-922800
e-541800

East Prussia:
a-2473000
b-489400
c-160000
d-1375500
e-608900

As it can be seen these numbers are still incomplete. For instance it is well known that some people from Czechoslovakia took refuge in Austria. How many?

Some others (from all the territories) were settled in the USA, Canada, Brazil, Argentina, Australia,.... Again Mr Overy doesn't tell us.

It is difficult to understand from Mr. Overy if Memel is included in East Prussia or in the Baltic States.

Some germans from the western territories of the USSR might have avoided the transfer to Siberia and Central Asia in 1941. How many of them took refuge in post-war Germany, Austria or the Americas? ( There were for instance 400000 germans in the Ukraine SSR prior to 1939)

A lot of POW settled in the countries where they had been retained. How many and in which countries he doesn't tell us.

Finally some germans civilians from Romania, Hungary and other territories were taken by the soviets during the period 1944/1950 to the USSR. It seems that Mr. Overy didn't took notice of this either.

Anyone in this forum available to give me some answers?
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Postby Davey Boy on 23 Apr 2002 13:36

Ovidius wrote:
HETMAN wrote:Yes, I hate all Germans and I want them dead.


And of course, one can say this on the forum and his message is not deleted, neither is he threatened with banning. After all, the Germans are just "Nazi" scum, isn't it, Mr. Steven Spielberg?

~Ovidius



Well I hope you didn't lose any beauty sleep over that Ovidius, because I was being sarcastic.
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Postby Rob S. on 23 Apr 2002 13:41

Some 2 million of these people were either murdered or died during the migration.

Oh well, that's what you get for voting the Nazis into power.


Yes, I hate all Germans and I want them dead.


You'll have to forgive me but I missed the sarcasm.
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Postby Davey Boy on 23 Apr 2002 13:48

Rob S. wrote:
Some 2 million of these people were either murdered or died during the migration.

Oh well, that's what you get for voting the Nazis into power.


Yes, I hate all Germans and I want them dead.


You'll have to forgive me but I missed the sarcasm.


Well, if you add "Brilliant psycho-analysis. Well done." to the above quote of mine, I think that constitues sarcasm. As in, I'm saying your psycho-analysis was crap, by praising it way too much. :roll:
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