Wallenburg

[Dan]

http://famulus.msnbc.com/FamulusIntl/re ... reg=EUROPE

In one of histories ironies, it seems the man who saved thousands of Jews was probably betrayed by one.

[David Thompson]

Dan -- Thanks for the very interesting link to the story about Raoul Wallenberg's probably betrayal by Vilmos Bohm, codenamed "Orestes." I didn't see anything in the article about Bohm, later the Hungarian Ambassador to Sweden, being Jewish though. Is there more to this ironical story somewhere else?

[Dan]

I just though his last name didn't sound Hungarians, so I typed in Vimos Bohm Jew in at Google, and he was.

[David Thompson]

I took your tip and found the reference at

http://www.hungary.com/corvinus/lib/tria/tria35.htm

about Vilmos Bohm, the Hungarian Commissar of War during the Bela Kun uprising after WWI, but couldn't find any footnotes on his source.

I wonder if it was it the same guy? I'll do some more looking -- I've seen the last name, in different variations, but generally it seems to be German or Austrian:

Boehm (Böhm), Bruno – service, German Secret State Police (Geheime Staatspolizei - Gestapo) Darmstadt {arrested and put on trial by a West German court at Darmstadt on charges of mistreating a German Jew in Sept 1941 at Darmstadt; convicted and sentenced to 2 years and 7 months imprisonment 23 May 1951 (JuNSV Verfahren Lfd.Nr.613; LG Darmstadt 510523; OLG Frankfurt/M. 510124).}

Boehm (Böhm), Friedrich Johann – service with detention personnel (Haftstättenpersonal) Haaren Police Jail (Polizeigefängnis Haaren) (Netherlands) {arrested and put on trial 1949 by a Netherlands court at Hertogenbosch ('s-Hertogenbosch) on charges of mistreating prisoners; convicted and sentenced to 5 years imprisonment 29 Mar 1949; released from Dutch custody to German authorities 19 Jun 1950 (JuNSV Verfahren Lfd.Nr. NL104; BG/BS 's-Hertogenbosch 490329).}

Boehm (Böhm), Otto Wilhelm (c. 1911-?) – service (as guard), concentration camp (Konzentrationslager - KL) Sachsenhausen {arrested and put on trial Sept 1960 by a West German court at Düsseldorf on charges of executing at least 200 Soviet POWs subjected to "special treatment" ('Sonderbehandlung'), of shooting 27 prisoners in the crematorium, of participating in the shooting of 82 prisoners on the night of 31 Jan-1 Feb 1945, of killing 2,000 ill prisoners during the course of the evacuation of KL Sachsenhausen in Apr 1945, and shooting 230 Jewish prisoners who had been evacuated from KL Lieberose; convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment (lebenslänglich) 15 Oct 1960 (NYT 16 Oct 3:4; JuNSV Verfahren Lfd.Nr.497; LG Düsseldorf 601015).}

Boehme (Böhme), Franz Friedrich (1885-29.5.1947) [General der Gebirgstruppe] -- chief of staff, Austrian Army; commander, 30th Infantry Division 1940; commander, XVIII Mountain Corps Oct 1940; plenipotentiary military commander in Serbia (Bevollmächtigter Kommandierender General in Serbien); commander, 2d Panzer Army Jun-Jul 1944; commander, 20th Mountain Army (Norway) and commander, German armed forces Norway (Wehrmachtsbefehlshaber Norwegen) Jan-May 1945 [Knight's Cross 1940] {committed suicide 29 May 1947 after indictment by an American military tribunal in the "Hostage Case" (NYT 20 Feb 1948:17:4; LT 30 May 1947:3e; German Army & Genocide p. 62; German Air Force v. Russia 1942 p. 414; Nazi Conspiracy & Aggression VI, pps. 624-634 [Document 3739-PS]); ABR-H; ABR-Knights Cross; Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals vol. XI, p. 779).}

Boehme (Böhme), Hans-Joachim (1909-31.5.1960) [SS-Sturmbannführer] – service, Action Command (Einsatzkommando) Tilsit 1942-1943; service, 3rd Action Command (Einsatzkommando 3) 11 May 1944-1 Jan 1945; service, German Security Service (Sicherheitsdienst – SD) Kiel; service, German Security Service (SD) Kauen (Kovno) {arrested and put on trial 1957 by a West German court at Ulm for war crimes committed between Jun-Sept 1941 at Garsden, Krottingen, Augustowo, Polangen, Szweksznie, Tauroggen, Georgenburg, Wladislawa, Schmalleningken, Wirballen, Kybarty, Vevirzeniai, Wilkowischken, Calvaria (Krs.Mariampol), Wirballen, Heydekrug, Kolleschen, Batakai, Mariampol, Pilwischken, Skaudville, Vainutas, Erschwilkis, and Schilale, Lithuania, consisting of the shooting executions of thousands of Jewish men, women and children and the murders of communist functionaries by members of the German Secret State Police (Geheime Staatspolizei - Gestapo) at Tilsit, the SD at Tilsit, the State Police and Security Service Action Command "Tilsit" (EK Stapo und SD Tilsit), the Memel Police Directorate (Polizeidirektion Memel), the German Protection Police (Schutzpolizei - Schupo) at Memel, and the Lithuanian Police (Litauische Polizei) at Krottingen; convicted and sentenced to 15 years imprisonment 29 Aug 1958 (JuNSV Verfahren Lfd.Nr.465; LG Ulm 580829 [Ks 2/57]; BGH 600223 [1 StR 648/59]); died 31 May 1960 (Field Men p. 43).}

Boehme (Böhme), Hermann (1896-29.10.1968) [Generalleutnant] – Reichswehr service; general staff (as Ia), II Army Corps (Gen.Stab [la] II A.K.) 25 Mar 1938; group leader, OKW West (Gruppenleiter OKW/WFST) 1 Nov 1939; chief of staff, German Armistice Commission with France 27 Jun 1940-14 Mar 1943; commander, 121st Infantry Regiment 1 May 1943; acting commander, 370th Infantry Division 2 Aug 1943; commander, 73rd Infantry Division 7 Sept 1943-13 May 1944 {taken prisoner by Soviet troops 13 May 1944; held after May 1950 as war criminal (NYT 7 May 1950:35:3); released pursuant to "Adenauer amnesty" announced by Nikita S. Krushchev 9 Sept 1955 (Gulag Archipelago vol. 3, pps. 441-2); released from Soviet captivity 6 Oct 1955 (ABR-Croisier-H); died 29 Oct 1968 at Munich (ABR-H; Third Reich Factbook).}

Boehmer (Böhmer), Hans Otto Karl [Oberst der Polizei] – commander, 3rd SS Police Regiment (SS-Polizei Regiment 3) Jul 1942-20 Oct 1944 {arrested and put on trial 1949 by a Netherlands court at Amsterdam on charges of ordering a raid to round up Dutch Jews for deportations to the German death camps in Poland, and ordering another raid to seize Dutch citizens as slave laborers for deportation to Germany; convicted and sentenced to 2 ½ years imprisonment 6 Apr 1949; released from Dutch custody to German authorities 31 Mar 1950 (JuNSV Verfahren Lfd.Nr. NL110; BG/BS Amsterdam 490406; Third Reich Factbook).}

[David Thompson]

Dan -- Vilmos Bohm (b. 1880; member of the Hungarian Social Democratic Party), the Hungarian Commissar of War during the Bela Kun uprising after WWI, survived the "white terror" after the uprising collapsed. That Vilmos Bohm lived until 1948, so he might well be the same guy who figured in Wallenberg's arrest by the Soviet Ministry of State Security. Creepy story, if true.

[David Thompson]

Dan -- Vilmos Bohm, the Soviet agent codenamed "Orestes," was working in 1943 as a translator for the British legation at Stockholm. He's mentioned in two of the declassified Venona transcripts, (with the spelling Boehm) at:

http://www.nsa.gov/docs/venona/docs/Nov ... _m3_p1.gif
http://www.nsa.gov/docs/venona/docs/Nov ... _m3_p2.gif
http://www.nsa.gov/docs/venona/docs/Jan ... _m2_p1.gif
http://www.nsa.gov/docs/venona/docs/Jan ... _m2_p2.gif

After hours of work I've found almost nothing on him in English, though if I spoke Magyar I might have more information.

[Dan]

Dan -- Vilmos Bohm, the Soviet agent codenamed "Orestes," was working in 1943 as a translator for the British legation at Stockholm. He's mentioned in two of the declassified Venona transcripts, (with the spelling Boehm) at:

http://www.nsa.gov/docs/venona/docs/Nov ... _m3_p1.gif
http://www.nsa.gov/docs/venona/docs/Nov ... _m3_p2.gif
http://www.nsa.gov/docs/venona/docs/Jan ... _m2_p1.gif
http://www.nsa.gov/docs/venona/docs/Jan ... _m2_p2.gif

After hours of work I've found almost nothing on him in English, though if I spoke Magyar I might have more information.

Thanks. I believe his mother toung was Yiddish, but at the end of the day, Wallenburg was a spy, and getting killed in prison is one of the professional hazzards of that game.

[Daniel L]

Wallenburg was a spy, and getting killed in prison is one of the professional hazzards of that game.

What do you mean by that and please spell Wallenberg correctly.

Best regards/ Daniel

[Dan]

Why do you have trouble understanding that getting caught as a spy meant death in all armies? And do you really want me to poing out your small spelling mistakes?

Sixty years ago spys got shot, they knew it could happen upon signing up for the job.

[Scott Smith]

Sweden was neutral during the war. Baaaad. That's why it is necessary to mythologize Wallenberg just a wee bit. Everybody deserves a piece of the Holocaust.

[Marcus]

And do you really want me to poing out your small spelling mistakes?

If you start a thread about a historical person and misspell his name repeatedly I think you should be pleasantly surprised if only one person points out the error.

/Marcus

[Marcus]

Everybody deserves a piece of the Holocaust.

Yet another tasteless little "joke" from Scott that adds nothing of value to the thread or the subject discussed...

/Marcus

[witness]

Sweden was neutral during the war. Baaaad. That's why it is necessary to mythologize Wallenberg just a wee bit. Everybody deserves a piece of the Holocaust.

O.K. Let's see what yet one more Scott's statement is worth of ..He writes

it is necessary to mythologize

By this statement the bias is revealed right away.
As usual in Scott's case the Statement is made without anything to substantiate it.
Namely - why "mythologize"? Can it be uderstood by inference that
Wallenberg story is nothing else but a myth ?
How else this word "mythologize" can be interpreted ?
So IMO this can be qute correctly called "ideological bubble " which for an attentative reader is worth of nothing more then the good indication of the bias based on some particular love to ..
Of course we all know who they are ... Those who are always behind everything baaad .

[Daniel L]

Why do you have trouble understanding that getting caught as a spy meant death in all armies? And do you really want me to poing out your small spelling mistakes?

Sixty years ago spys got shot, they knew it could happen upon signing up for the job.

I'm having trouble understanding why you call him a spy, that's all. Since you repeatedly spelled Wallenberg wrong I got the feeling that it was more than a spelling mistake, if I'm wrong about this I apologize. You are ofcourse free to point out any similar errors that I would make.

Best regards/ Daniel

[Dan]

You are ofcourse free to point out any similar errors that I would make.

There are two in just that sentence, but as you know I don't do that.

I though the consensus was that most historians considered him a spy for the Allies.