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Wachenr0der
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looking for information on Turkistan and Volga-Tatar legions

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Post by Wachenr0der » 06 Sep 2003, 21:46

I'm looking for mostly battle history from the beginnign to the end..

I don't really fnd much information on Volga Tatar legions, instead htere seems to be alot abou the Crimean Tatar (Krim Tatar) legions.. can anyone shed some light on Volga (Wolga) Tatar (tatarische) legions? I assume they are Tatars from Kazan area and are the Tatars that range from looking "white" to "mongol".

Also i'm looking for Turkistan legions, primarily those that are composed of Soviet Central Asians (ie Uzbeks, Kazakhs, Kyrgyz etc) not the ones that are from caucausus (ie Azeri). It seems like many sites give info on the beginnings but it seems like these groups all end up putting them in the 162nd division? Other books rated that the Kazakhs fought well and the Azeri's fought poorly? Can anyone give more insight?

I also read in another post there was a Turkistan SS legion, could anyone shed any more light on that?

Thanks for your time guys!
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Post by Ostuf Charlemagne » 07 Sep 2003, 00:58

Most where with 162 inf.div. but it was too the Ostuerkisches Waffen-Verband der SS ''Harun-el-Rashid''....the tatars where originally within
Gebirgs-Tatarbrigade der SS ounder command of standartenfuehrer Fortenbacher, then versed at the end of the war to Waffengruppe ''Krim'' of Waffen-verband der SS ''Harun -el -Rashid''.....for a full story of both units,i strongly recommend you to read ''Forgotten Legions'' by Antonio Muñoz....
go to http://www.axiseuropa.com
and now i scann you a pic,from private collection,the turkistanis of 162 div. in Kruszyna trianing camp,Poland,swearing the oath.
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Post by Andy H » 07 Sep 2003, 11:13

http://www.ostbataillon.by.ru/home.htm

The above link maybe of some help

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Turk. Legion

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Post by jarek_g » 09 Sep 2003, 13:07

Hi Wachenr0der and alls,

About Turk. Legion:

Turk. Legion came into being in two places: in 162 ID on Ukraine and in Legionowo in Generlagouvernement (invaded Poland)

162. Turk. Division13.05.1942 - formed staff for „Ostlegion” units in Ukraine
25. 12. 1942 - division transferred on range Neuhammer
20. 05. 1943 - reforming of division in lineal (i.e. normal) Infantry Division
CO was from 13.05.42 to 21.05.44 Gen. Maj. Oskar von Niedermayer

1. Turkvölkische Legion
18.06.1942 - formed in Romny from Dulag 137
15.01.1943 - renamed at 1. Turk. Legion
2.06.1943 - used to forming AR 236, rest to Turk. Legion in Generalgouvernement (GG)
CO was from 5.07.42 - Obstl. Peter Eberl, from mid 1943 Maj. Dr Böhme

I. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. I./295 »later renamed I./76
II. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. II./9 » later renamed II./76
III. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. III. » I./370
IV. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. IV. » II./298 » later renamed I./100 (Jg.)
V. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. I./371
VI. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. I./297
VII. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. I./389
VIII. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. I./305
IX. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. I./44
X. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. I./110*
XI. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. I./384
XII. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. I./29 *
XIII. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. I./94
XIV. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. I./297 *
XV. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. I./71 *
XVI. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. I./79*
XVII. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. I./129*
XVIII. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. I./375*
XIX. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. I./113*
Turk. Ersatz. Btl.
Turk. Bau. Btl.
Battalions appointed starlet did not finish of forming and became used to forming 162. ID

2. Turkvölkische Legion
14.06.1942 - Nordkaukasiche Legion in Mirogrod (Ukraine) from Dulag 120
15.01.1943 - renamed at 2. Turk. Legion
2.06.1943 - used to forming IR 303; rest to Nordkauk. Legion in GG
CO:
14.06.42 - Maj. Schmidt
4.07.42 - Hptm. Wilhelm Olbricht
28.07.42 - Obstl. Ristow

I. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. I./111
II. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. II./295 » later renamed I./73
III. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. I./4 (Geb.)
IV. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. I./97 (Jg.)
V. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. I./101 (Jg.)
VI. Ausb. Btl. › Halb Btl. 842
VII. Ausb. Btl. › Halb Btl. 843
verst. Nordkauk. Inf. Kp. 1/844
verst. Nordkauk. Inf. Zug 2/844
Nordkauk. Bau. Btl.

Aufstellungsstab der Ostlegionen
18.02.1942 - formed staff from „Ostlegion” units in GG Rembertow › later Radom
1943 - Kommando der Ostlegionen
25.12.1944 - Abwicklungstab des Kommandos der Ostlegionen
15.02.1944 - Kommandeur der Osttrupen im Wehrkreis GG
30.09.1944 - disbanded (end of disbanding 7.11.1944)

CO was from 18.02.42 - Obstl. Walgarth, from 21.09.42 - Gen. Maj. Ralph von Heygendorf, from 21.05. to 30.09.44 Oberst Möller

Turkvölkische Legion
18.10.1941 - Abwehr Unternehmen Tiger B (1. kauk.-moham. Kp., 1.-6. Turk. Kp.)
13.01.1942 - renamed Turkestanische - Kaukasisch - Mohammedanische Legion - Legionowo
24.03.1942 - renamed Turkvölkische Legion
20.10.1943 - transfered on West

CO was Maj. Andreas Mayer-Mader, from mid 1942 Maj. Bergen, from 15.01.43 - Rittm. Coelle, and from mid 1943 to 21.05.44 Oberst Möller

I. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. 450
II. Ausb. Btl. › Ausb. Btl. der Turk. Legion
III. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. 452
IV. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. 453
V. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. 781
VI. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. 782
VII. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. 783
VIII. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. 784
IX. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. 785
X. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. 786
XI. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. 787
XII. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. 788
XIII. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. 789
XIV. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. 790
XV. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. 791
XVI. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. 792
XVII. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. 793
XVIII. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. 794
XIX. Ausb. Btl. › joint from Turk. Btl. 444 in Turk. Btl. 811
XX. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. 831
XXI. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. 839
XXII. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. 840
XXIII. Ausb. Btl. › Btl. 841

In France Turk. Legion entered in composition Freiwillige Stamm Regiment 1 in Castres later Albi. In April 1945 - Regimentsstab in Grüntal/Bernau near Berlin

From Turkmener category „b“ formed 1.02.1944 - Kolonnenführungs Arbeits und Ersatz Stab fürTurkvölkischer und Kaukasischer
20.07.1944 - renamed Freiwillige (Turk.) Arbeits und Ersatz Brigade (c.a. 20.000 men)
CO was Oberst Boller

Composition:
I. Turk. Arbeits Bataillon
4.02.1943 - formed (9 Kp.) in District Warsaw (GG)

II. Turk. Arbeits Bataillon
18.02.1943 - formed (8 Kp.) in District Krakow GG

III. Turk. Arbeits Bataillon
22.02.1943 - formed (8 Kp.) in District Lwow GG

IV. Turk. Arbeits Bataillon
10.11.1943 - formed (5, later 8 Kp.) in District Radom GG

also except Brigade Boller
Turk. Arbeits Abteilung Quandt

Units forming except Turk. Legion but completed in Legion:

Turkvölkische Nachschub Bataillon 1
10.08.1942 - formed (1.-3. Kp)
24.06.1944 - disbanded

Turk. Bataillon 444 (I/444)
beginning 1942 - formed from Turk. Hundertschaften 444 (444 Sich. Div.)
January 1943 - renamed Turk. Infanterie Bataillon 811 after joint from XIX. Turk. Ausb. Btl.
CO was Olt. von Taube, and from 31.08.42 - Maj. Kurth


Turk. Gebirgs Träger Bataillon 1000
25.11.1942 - formed in 17. Armee (1.-3.Kp.)
31.10.1943 - renamed Turk. Nachschub Btl. 1000
CO was from 25.11.42 - Hptm. Alois Muckentaler

Turk. Gebirgs Träger Bataillon 1001
25.11.1942 - formed (1.-3. Kp.)
20.09.1943 - renamed Nachschub Btl. 501 (1.-6.)
CO was from 25.11.42 - Maj. Schweitzer

Bau-Pionier Bataillon 1101 (turk.)
26.12.1944 - formed in Freiw. Stamm Div. (Nuehammer/Queis)

Bestreg.
Jarek
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