Units for Seelöwe

[James Patrick]

Awesome oob's. Does anyone have anything similar for the British around the same time period? Thanks.

[David Lehmann]

Germans training for Seelöwe, here a French Renault R35 tank is landing (from Spielberger's book) :

[daveh]

try

http://www.tdg.nu/OOBs/1939-1945/OOB_de ... t%2040.htm

for the OOB of the The British Army on 11th of September 1940

[James Patrick]

Thanks, daveh.

[34 ID]

My grandpa training for operation seelion (AA/34. ID)

[Kurt_Steiner]

Wonderful pic, really!

[AdolfDettmer]

Well,

My modest contribution-

Raeder's estimate of required shipping to transport the troops even after reductions-

155 Transports
1,772 Barges
471 Tugs
1,161 Motor-Boats

OKH estimate of number of men-
160,000 (Roughly 16 Divisions)

I could go into more detail but I have seen most of what I could contribute already posted. If anyone would like to know about the German Intelligence's estimates of the British etc. let me know and I can go into detail.

Statistcs from "Operation Sea Lion" by Peter Fleming

[tigre]

Hello to all ; after reading something about it, I 've a little question that I raise here............................

Troops for Operation Sealion.

On July 16, 1940, Hitler issued the "Instruction No. 16 on the preparation of a landing operation against England." It states.:

"Since England, despite his military hopeless situation, still shows no sign of readiness for understanding, I decided to prepare a landing operation against England and, if necessary, carry out."

With respect to the order of battle for Sealion (Seelöwe) AFAIK there were two distinct periods, taking as an example the 12. ID we have the following:

A first period: Plan "Brückenkopf Weymouth" (July 29 to August 30, 1940). At this stage the division was part of the first wave of invasion under the 6. AOK. The task of the 6th Army was to: starting from the ports of Normandy, land on the south coast of Britain, in both sides of Portland and cover the flank of the mass of the German forces landed southeast of London against hostile forces actions.

The army would land in five waves: 1st wave II. AK (12. ID, 31. ID and 32. ID); 2nd wave 2. Pz and 13?. ID (Mot); 3rd wave three more divisions; 4th and 5th waves other reserves. Here the division was reinforced with the 1./ Fla 66 and 1./ Pz. Jäg. Abt 670.

Then in late August the division was moved toward Netherlands as one 2nd wave division and the 2nd Plan emerged (September 1 to October 15, 1940). In this stage the 12. ID was subordinated to the V. AK under the 16. AOK.

Sources: Bewegungskrieg. Hermann Teske. Heidelberg 1955.
http://www.stiwotforum.nl/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=15541

Any idea of ​​the reasons to change the original order of battle? Cheers. Raul M .

[oaktree]

I would image they had better idea of Intel of British defensive streath and position that gave German more room to work with.

[tigre]

Hello to all ; thanks for your answer oaktree . A little more............................

Ostende, preparations for Operation "Seelöwe" (Sealion).

Sources: http://www.dday-overlord.com/forum/phot ... t7192.html

Cheers. Raul M .

[tigre]

Hello to all ; a little more............................

Preparations for Operation "Seelöwe" (Sealion).

The Panzer-Abteilung (Tank Battalion) 100 (Fl) was established by OKH's order between March 1 and 10, 1940 through the Wehrkreis-Kommandos III by the Panzertruppenschule as a flamethrower unit (Fl) at level army. The Pz-Abt 100 (Fl) under Hauptmann von Zezschwitz arrived in Belgium at the end of August in order to be attached to the XIII AK, but in the OoB of September 9, 1940 it was attached to the VII AK within the 16 AOK.....................

Sources: http://www.niehorster.org/011_germany/4 ... ps-07.html.

Any other data on the Pz-Abt 100 (fl)? Cheers. Raul M .

[tigre]

Hello to all ; a little more............................

Preparations for Operation "Seelöwe" (Sealion).

Sources: http://www.spiegel.de/einestages/hitler ... 86303.html.
http://www.worldwarphotos.info/gallery/ ... land-1940/

Cheers. Raul M .

[Knouterer]

Schenk writes in his book about Seelöwe that the Kanonenpanzer (platoon commanders' vehicles) in Pz. Abt. 100 were Pz III, but I suppose that's a typo and they were in fact Pz II (Ausf. C) as all other sources seem to agree.

It is also interesting to see a Pz IV which is not a Tauchpanzer loaded on a barge, as no such tanks were scheduled to accompany the first wave of 9 divisions, which would have only four battalions of submersible and swimming tanks (about 260 in all), plus some SP guns (Stug III, Panzerjäger I) and the Flammpanzer. Apparently the Panzer divisions of the second wave did practice loading and unloading their tanks too, judging by this pic.

It appears to be a Pz IV Ausf. D but without the additional armour fitted to the front of the hull from July 1940 (and retrofitted to a number of existing tanks). From which I would (very tentatively ...) conclude that the picture is from not later than 1940.

[Knouterer]

The army would land in five waves: 1st wave II. AK (12. ID, 31. ID and 32. ID); 2nd wave 2. Pz and 13?. ID (Mot); 3rd wave three more divisions; 4th and 5th waves other reserves. Here the division was reinforced with the 1./ Fla 66 and 1./ Pz. Jäg. Abt 670.

Then in late August the division was moved toward Netherlands as one 2nd wave division and the 2nd Plan emerged (September 1 to October 15, 1940). In this stage the 12. ID was subordinated to the V. AK under the 16. AOK.

Sources: Bewegungskrieg. Hermann Teske. Heidelberg 1955.
http://www.stiwotforum.nl/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=15541

Any idea of ​​the reasons to change the original order of battle? Cheers. Raul M .

The Kriegsmarine had grave misgivings about the whole operation and insisted it could not provide protection for a landing on such a wide front, therefore in the (more or less) final plan landings from the sea would take place only between Folkestone (excl.) and Brighton (excl.) It was also recognized that no Panzer divisions could be landed until a port was captured and put back into working order, which would take a few days, so in the September plans the first wave consisted only of infantry and mountain divisions.

[tigre]

Hello Knouterer ; thanks for shedding light on this . Cheers. Raúl M .