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7 doctors of Luftwaffe trialed in Nurnberg.

Postby gabriel pagliarani » 21 Oct 2003 11:22

The development of Me 163 and Bachem Natter obliged the medical dept. of the Luftwaffe to study the resistance of human body to low pressure and low temperature as extreme external conditions with a poor supply of oxygen. Some studies were done in extermination camps by killing POWs and other prisoners. At the end of WW2 7 doctors of Luftwaffe medical staff were considered guilty of those crimes but only 1 of them was hanged and 4 of them simply disappeared. Probably they were hidden among Von Braun's german space specialist task force by US: NASA required those criminals. What is true in this story?

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Postby hauptmannn » 21 Oct 2003 11:53

Those experiments were done. If i remember correctly, many prisoners were placed in tubs of varying water temperatures for a very long time and most did not survive due to the heat loss.

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Postby David Thompson » 21 Oct 2003 16:22

(1) Between 9 Dec 1946 and 20 Aug 1947, an American military tribunal put 23 defendants on trial on charges of having conducted illegal medical experiments on concentration camp inmates and POWs. The proceedings were called the "Medical case" or the "Doctors' trial," and included charges involving high-altitude experiments. The trial was reported in vols. 1 and 2 of the Trials of War Criminals before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals Under Control Council Law No. 10 (NMT). The high-altitude experiments are described on pp. 92-197 of vol. 1 of the NMT set. The proceedings are available on line through the Mazal Library, beginning at:

http://www.mazal.org/archive/nmt/01/NMT01-C001.htm

There is additional on-line information available under the heading "US v. Karl Brandt, et al." at:

http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/genocide/Medic ... 0Index.htm

The defendants included academic physicians, and doctors serving with the SS and Wehrmacht. These were the Luftwaffe defendants:

Becker-Freyseng, Dr. Hermann [Luftwaffe Stabsarzt (Captain, Medical Service of the Air Force)] -- specialist in aviation medicine; Chief of the Department for Aviation Medicine of the Chief of the Medical Service of the Luftwaffe {put on trial in the "Medical Case" by an American military tribunal of having ordered, authorized or participated in "medical experiments" on concentration camp inmates and prisoners of war (NYT 18 Dec 1946:24:4; NYT 11 Jan 1947:2:4; NYT 7 Mar 1947:5:7; convicted 19 Aug 1947 (NYT 20 Aug 1947:1:6) sentenced to 20 years imprisonment 20 Aug 1947 (NYT 21 Aug 1947:3:8; LT 21 Aug 1947:3d); sentence later reduced to 10 years. (Snyder Ency p. 69; Holo Ency 1789).}

Romberg, Dr. med. Hans Wolfgang -- Doctor on the staff of the Department for Aviation Medicine at the German Experimental Institute for Aviation {put on trial by an American military tribunal at Frankfort-am-Main in the "Medical Case" on charges of having ordered, authorized or participated in "medical experiments" on concentration camp inmates and prisoners of war 9 Dec 1946 (NYT 9 Dec 1946:8:6; NYT 10 Dec 1946:9:1; NYT 11 Dec 1946:25:3; NYT 18 Dec 1946:24:4; NYT 11 Jan 1947:2:4; NYT 7 Mar 1947:5:7; acquitted 19 Aug 1947 (NYT 20 Aug 1947:1:6; Snyder Ency p. 69; Holo Ency 1789).}

Rose, Prof. Dr. med. Gerhard (1896-13.1.1992) [Generalarzt] -- WWI service; Vice President, Chief of the Department for Tropical Medicine, and Professor of the Robert Koch Institute; Hygienic Adviser for Tropical Medicine to the Chief of the Medical Service of the Luftwaffe; Sanitätsinspektion der Luftwaffe {put on trial by an American military tribunal at Frankfort-am-Main in the "Medical Case" on charges of having ordered, authorized or participated in "medical experiments" on concentration camp inmates and prisoners of war 9 Dec 1946 (NYT 9 Dec 1946:8:6; NYT 10 Dec 1946:9:1; NYT 11 Dec 1946:25:3; NYT 18 Dec 1946:24:4; NYT 11 Jan 1947:2:4; NYT 7 Mar 1947:5:7; convicted 19 Aug 1947 (NYT 20 Aug 1947:1:6) sentenced to life imprisonment 20 Aug 1947 (NYT 21 Aug 1947:3:8; LT 21 Aug 1947:3d); subsequently reduced by US High Commissioner for Germany John J. McCloy, on recommendation of the Clemency Board, to 15 years in prison; released from American custody 3 Jun 1955 (ABR-Croisier-L; Snyder Ency p. 69; Holo Ency 1789); died 13 Jan 1992 at Obernkirchen (ABR-L).}

Ruff, Dr. med. Siegfried -- Director of the Department for Aviation Medicine at the German Experimental Institute for Aviation (Deutsche Versuchsanstalt fuer Luftfahrt) {put on trial by an American military tribunal at Frankfort-am-Main 9 Dec 1946 in the "Medical Case" on charges of having ordered, authorized or participated in "medical experiments" on concentration camp inmates and prisoners of war (NYT 9 Dec 1946:8:6; NYT 10 Dec 1946:9:1; NYT 11 Dec 1946:25:3; NYT 18 Dec 1946:24:4; NYT 11 Jan 1947:2:4; NYT 7 Mar 1947:5:7; acquitted 19 Aug 1947 (NYT 20 Aug 1947:1:6). (Snyder Ency p. 69; Holo Ency 1789).}

Schaefer (Schäfer), Dr. Konrad -- assistant, chemotherapy laboratories, Schering Corp.; Doctor on the Staff of the Institute for Aviation Medicine in Berlin {arrested and put on trial in the "Medical Case" by an American military tribunal on charges of having ordered, authorized or participated in "medical experiments" on concentration camp inmates and prisoners of war (NYT 18 Dec 1946:24:4; NYT 11 Jan 1947:2:4; NYT 7 Mar 1947:5:7; acquitted 19 Aug 1947 (NYT 20 Aug 1947:1:6).(Snyder Ency p. 69; Holo Ency 1789).}

Schroeder (Schröder), Prof. Dr. med. Oskar (1891-26.1.1959) [Luftwaffe Generaloberstabsarzt (Lieutenant General in the Luftwaffe Medical Service)] -- WWI service as medical officer; Chief of Staff of the Inspectorate of the Medical Service of the Luftwaffe (Chef des Stabes, Inspekteur des Luftwaffe-Sanitätswesens); Chief, Luftwaffe Medical Service (Chef des Sanitaetswesens der Luftwaffe) Jan 1944-8 May 1945 {put on trial by an American military tribunal at Frankfort-am-Main in the "Medical Case" on charges of having ordered, authorized or participated in "medical experiments" on concentration camp inmates and prisoners of war 9 Dec 1946 (NYT 9 Dec 1946:8:6; NYT 10 Dec 1946:9:1; NYT 10 Dec 1946:9:1); convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment 20 Aug 1947 (LT 21 Aug 1947:3d); reduced by US High Commissioner for Germany John J. McCloy, on recommendation of the Clemency Board, to 15 years in prison (Snyder Ency p. 69; Holo Ency 1789); released from American captivity 1954 at Landsberg prison; died 26 Jan 1959 at Munich (ABR-L).}

Weltz, Prof. Dr. Georg August [Luftwaffe Oberfeldarzt (Lieutenant Colonel, Luftwaffe Medical Service)] – Chief, Institute for Aviation Medicine (Institut fuer Luftfahrtmedizin) in Munich {put on trial before an American military tribunal at Frankfort-am-Main in the "Medical Case" by an American military tribunal on charges of having ordered, authorized or participated in "medical experiments" on concentration camp inmates and prisoners of war 9 Dec 1946 (NYT 9 Dec 1946:8:6; NYT 10 Dec 1946:9:1; NYT 11 Dec 1946:25:3; NYT 18 Dec 1946:24:4; NYT 11 Jan 1947:2:4; NYT 7 Mar 1947:5:7; acquitted 19 Aug 1947 (NYT 20 Aug 1947:1:6). (Snyder Ency p. 69; Holo Ency 1789).}

(2) In addition to these aviation specialists, this fellow also participated in some of the "high-altitude" experiments:

Rascher, Dr. med. Sigmund (1909-1945) [SS-Sturmbannführer (SS: Roll of Infamy p. 138) or SS-Hauptsturmführer (Camp Men p. 184)] – conducted medical experiments in high-altitude research at concentration camp (Konzentrationslager – KL) Dachau 1942-1944 {executed by the SS 26 Apr 1945 at Dachau or early May 1945 (SS: Roll of Infamy p. 138; Camp Men p. 184).}

(3) After the war, there was a controversy involving this doctor, who apparently had been recruited by the American intelligence services during the course of "Operation Paperclip":

Strughold, Dr. Hubertus – German scientist; director of the Medical Research Institute for Aviation of the Reich Air Ministry {postwar chief scientist of space medicine at the Aerospace Medical Division of the USAF at Brooks AFB, Texas 1962; listed by the US Immigration and Naturalization Service as being under investigation 5 Jun 1974 for war crimes activities (NYT 6 Jun 1974:30:3; NYT 1 Jul 1974:10:2); investigation closed 1974 without publicity (NYT 23 Nov 1974:48:6; NYT 3 Oct 1976:1:5); placed at a scientific conference in 1942 where concentration camp experiments were discussed (NYT 23 Nov 1974:48:6); investigation reportly dropped because Strughold had been recruited by the CIA for scientific work (NYT 15 Oct 1976:12:1; NYT 16 Oct 1976:50:5).}

(4) I don't have any information on the subsequent careers of the acquitted Luftwaffe doctors.

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Postby gabriel pagliarani » 21 Oct 2003 16:43

David Thompson wrote:......Weltz, Prof. Dr. Georg August [Luftwaffe Oberfeldarzt (Lieutenant Colonel, Luftwaffe Medical Service)] – Chief, Institute for Aviation Medicine (Institut fuer Luftfahrtmedizin) in Munich {put on trial before an American military tribunal at Frankfort-am-Main in the "Medical Case" by an American military tribunal on charges of having ordered, authorized or participated in "medical experiments" on concentration camp inmates and prisoners of war 9 Dec 1946 (NYT 9 Dec 1946:8:6; NYT 10 Dec 1946:9:1; NYT 11 Dec 1946:25:3; NYT 18 Dec 1946:24:4; NYT 11 Jan 1947:2:4; NYT 7 Mar 1947:5:7; acquitted 19 Aug 1947 (NYT 20 Aug 1947:1:6). (Snyder Ency p. 69; Holo Ency 1789).}

(2) In addition to these aviation specialists, this fellow also participated in some of the "high-altitude" experiments:
Rascher, Dr. med. Sigmund (1909-1945) [SS-Sturmbannführer (SS: Roll of Infamy p. 138) or SS-Hauptsturmführer (Camp Men p. 184)] – conducted medical experiments in high-altitude research at concentration camp (Konzentrationslager – KL) Dachau 1942-1944 {executed by the SS 26 Apr 1945 at Dachau or early May 1945 (SS: Roll of Infamy p. 138; Camp Men p. 184).}

(3) After the war, there was a controversy involving this doctor, who apparently had been recruited by the American intelligence services during the course of "Operation Paperclip":

Strughold, Dr. Hubertus – German scientist; director of the Medical Research Institute for Aviation of the Reich Air Ministry {postwar chief scientist of space medicine at the Aerospace Medical Division of the USAF at Brooks AFB, Texas 1962; listed by the US Immigration and Naturalization Service as being under investigation 5 Jun 1974 for war crimes activities (NYT 6 Jun 1974:30:3; NYT 1 Jul 1974:10:2); investigation closed 1974 without publicity (NYT 23 Nov 1974:48:6; NYT 3 Oct 1976:1:5); placed at a scientific conference in 1942 where concentration camp experiments were discussed (NYT 23 Nov 1974:48:6); investigation reportly dropped because Strughold had been recruited by the CIA for scientific work (NYT 15 Oct 1976:12:1; NYT 16 Oct 1976:50:5).}

(4) I don't have any information on the subsequent careers of the acquitted Luftwaffe doctors.


:cry: ..incredible! What about "paper-clip"?

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Postby David Thompson » 21 Oct 2003 17:58

Gabriel -- "Operation Paperclip" is a long and twisted story, primarily involving recruitment of Nazi scientists after the war, but also involving persons "of use" to the US intelligence services, some of whom were war criminals like Klaus Barbie, aka Klaus Altmann. I'm familiar with the general outline of the operation, but don't have a lot of details at hand. In the meantime, an advanced Google search for the term "Operation Paper Clip" should be helpful.

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Postby gabriel pagliarani » 21 Oct 2003 18:16

David Thompson wrote:....some of whom were war criminals like Klaus Barbie, aka Klaus Altmann....

It sounds like the guideline of a 007 James Bond's movie. "Spectre" was real...
P.S.
David, you were knocking at the Evil's door! And Licio Gelli the infamous chief of P2 Masonry Lodge was opening it for my eyes... a mountain of bull-shits so high that it is totally unbelievable. From net:

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Operation Paperclip Casefile

Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997
Dossier: Documented Evidence
Case File: 5X067
Compiled by Agent Orange

OPERATION PAPERCLIP

After WWII ended in 1945, victorious Russian and American intelligence teams began a treasure hunt throughout occupied Germany for military and scientific booty. They were looking for things like new rocket and aircraft designs, medicines, and electronics. But they were also hunting down the most precious "spoils" of all: the scientists whose work had nearly won the war for Germany. The engineers and intelligence officers of the Nazi War Machine.

The U.S. Military rounded up Nazi scientists and brought them to America. It had originally intended merely to debrief them and send them back to Germany. But when it realized the extent of the scientists knowledge and expertise, the War Department decided it would be a waste to send the scientists home. Following the discovery of flying discs (foo fighters), particle/laser beam weaponry in German military bases, the War Department decided that NASA and the CIA must control this technology, and the Nazi engineers that had worked on this technology.

There was only one problem: it was illegal. U.S. law explicitly prohibited Nazi officials from immigrating to America--and as many as three-quarters of the scientists in question had been committed Nazis.

Data-Points:

Convinced that German scientists could help America's postwar efforts, President Harry Truman agreed in September 1946 to authorize "Project Paperclip," a program to bring selected German scientists to work on America's behalf during the "Cold War"

However, Truman expressly excluded anyone found "to have been a member of the Nazi party and more than a nominal participant in its activities, or an active supporter of Naziism or militarism."

The War Department's Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency (JIOA) conducted background investigations of the scientists. In February 1947, JIOA Director Bosquet Wev submitted the first set of scientists' dossiers to the State and Justice Departments for review.

The Dossiers were damning. Samauel Klaus, the State Departments representative on the JIOA board, claimed that all the scientists in this first batch were "ardent Nazis." Their visa requests were denied......
......Apparently, Wev decided to sidestep the problem. Dulles had the scientists dossier's re-written to eliminate incriminating evidence. As promised, Allen Dulles delivered the Nazi Intelligence unit to the CIA, which later opened many umbrella projects stemming from Nazi mad research. (MK-ULTRA / ARTICHOKE, OPERATION MIDNIGHT CLIMAX)

Military Intelligence "cleansed" the files of Nazi refrences. By 1955, more than 760 German scientists had been granted citizenship in the U.S. and given prominent positions in the American scientific community. Many had been longtime members of the Nazi party and the Gestapo, had conducted experiments on humans at concentration camps, had used slave labor, and had comitted other war crimes.

In a 1985 expose in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists Linda Hunt wrote that she had examined more than 130 reports on Project Paperclip subjects--and every one "had been changed to eliminate the security threat classification."

President Truman, who had explicitly ordered no comitted Nazis to be admitted under Project Paperclip, was evidently never aware that his directive had been violated. State Department archives and the memoirs of officials from that era confirm this. In fact, according to Clare Lasby's book Operation Paperclip, project officials "covered their designs with such secrecy that it bedeviled their own President; at Potsdam he denied their activities and undoubtedly enhanced Russian suspicion and distrust," quite possibly fueling the Cold War even further.

A good example of how these dossiers were changed is the case of Wernher von Braun. A September 18, 1947, report on the German rcoket scientist stated, "Subject is regarded as a potential security threat by the Military Governor."

The following February, a new security evaluation of Von Braun said, "No derogatory information is available on the subject...It is the opinion of the Military Governor that he may not constitute a security threat to the United States."
Here are a few of the 700 suspicious characters who were allowed to immigrate through Project Paperclip.

ARTHUR RUDOLPH;
During the war, Rudolph was operations director of the Mittelwerk factory at the Dora-Nordhausen concentration camps, where 20,000 workers died from beatings, hangings, and starvation. Rudolph had been a member of the Nazi party since 1931; a 1945 military file on him said simply: "100% Nazi, dangerous type, security threat..!! Suggest internment."

But the JIOA's final dossier on him said there was "nothing in his records indicating that he was a war criminal or and ardent Nazi or otherwise objectionable." Rudolph became a US citizen and later designed the Saturn 5 rocket used in the Apollo moon landings. In 1984, when his war record was finally investigated, he fled to West Germany.

WERNHER VON BRAUN;
From 1937 to 1945, von Braun was the technical director of the Peenemunde rocket research center, where the V-2 rocket --which devasted England--was developed. As noted previously, his dossier was rewritten so he didn't appear to have been an enthusiastic Nazi.

Von Braun worked on guided missles for the U.S. Army and was later director of NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center. He became a celebrity in the 1950s and early 1960s, as one of Walt Disney's experts on the "World of Tomorrow." In 1970, he became NASA's associate administrator.

KURT BLOME;
A high-ranking Nazi scientist, Blome told U.S. military interrogators in 1945 that he had been ordered 1943 to experiment with plague vaccines on concentration camp prisoners. He was tried at Nuremberg in 1947 on charges of practicing euthanasia (extermination of sick prisoners), and conducting experiments on humans. Although acquitted, his earlier admissions were well known, and it was generally accepted that he had indeed participated in the gruesome experiments.

Two months after his Nuremberg acquittal, Blome was interviewed at Camp David, Maryland, about biological warfare. In 1951, he was hired by the U.S. Army Chemical Corps to work on chemical warfare. His file neglected to mention Nuremberg.

MAJOR GENERAL WALTER SCHREIBER;
According to Linda Hunt's article, the US military tribunal at Nuremberg heard evidence that "Schreiber had assigned doctors to experiment on concentration camp prisoners and had made funds available for such experimentation." The assistant prosecutor said the evidence would have convicted Schreiber if the Soviets, who held him from 1945 to 1948, had made him available for trial.

Again, Schreiber's Paperclip file made no mention of this evidence; the project found work for him at the Air Force School of Medicine at Randolph Field in Texas. When columnist Drew Pearson publicized the Nuremberg evidence in 1952, the negative publicity led the JIOA, says Hunt, to arrange "a visa and a job for Schreiber in Argentina, where his daughter was living." On May 22, 1952, he was flown to Buenos Aires.

HERMANN BECKER-FREYSING and SIEGFRIED RUFF;
These two, along with Blome, were amoung the 23 defendants in the Nuremberg War Trials "Medical Case." Becker-Freysing was convicted and sentenced to 20 years in prison for conducting experiments on Dachau inamtes, such as starving them, then force-feeding them seawater that had been chemically altered to make it drinkable. Ruff was acquitted (in a close decision) on charges that he had killed as many as 80 Dachau inmates in a low-pressure chamber designed to simulate altitudes in excess of 60,000 feet. Before their trial, Becker-Freysing and Ruff were paid by the Army Air Force to write reports about their grotesque experiments.

GENERAL REINHARD GEHLEN;
It was five years after the end of WW2 but one of Hitler's chief intelligence officers was still on the job. From a walled-in compound in Bavaria, General Reinhard Gehlen oversaw a vast network of intelligence agents spying on Russia. His top aides were Nazi zealots who had committed some of the most notorious crimes of the war. Gehlen and his SS united were hired, and swiftly became agents of the CIA when they revealed their massive records on the Soviet Union to the US.

Gehlen derived much of his information from his role in one of the most terrible atrocities of the war: the torture, interrogation and murder by starvation of some four million Soviet prisoners. Prisoners who refused to cooperate were often tortured or summarily executed. May were executed even after they had given information, while others were simply left to starve to death. As a result, Gehlend and members of his organization maneuvered to make sure they were captured by advancing American troops rather than Russians, who would have executed them immediatly.

Two months before Germany surrendered in 1945, the Gehlen organization made its move. "Gehlen and a small group of his most senior officers carefully microfilmed the vast holding on the USSR in the military section of the German army's general staff. They packed the film in watertight steel drums and secretly buried it in a remote mountain meadow scattered throughout the Austrian Alps.

General William Donovan and Allen Dulles of the CIA were tipped off about Gehlen's surrender and his offer of Russian intelligence in exchange for a job. The CIA was soon jockeyeing with military intelligence for authority over Gehlen's microfilmed records--and control of the German spymaster. Dulles arranged for a private intelligence facility in West Germany to be established, and named it the Geheln Organization. Gehlen promisd not to hire any former SS, SD, or Gestapo members; he hired them anyway, and the CIA did not stop him. Two of Gehlen's early recruits were Emil Augsburg and Dr. Franz Six, who had been part of mobile killing squads, which killed Jews, intellectuals, and Soviet partisans wherever they found them. Other early recruits included Willi Krichbaum, senior Gestapo leader for southeastern Europe, and the Gestapo chiefs of Paris and Kiel, Germany.

With the encourgement of the CIA, Gehlen Org (Licio Gelli) set up "rat lines" to get Nazi war criminals out of Europe so they wouldn't be prosecuted. By setting up transit camps and issuing phony passports, the Gehlen Org helped more than 5,000 Nazis leave Europe and relocate around the world, especially in South and Central America. There, mass murderers like Klaus Barbie (the butcher of Lyons) helped governments set up death squads in Chile, Argentina, El Salvador, and elsewhere.

KLAUS BARBIE;
Known as the Nazi butcher of Lyons, France during World War 2, Barbie was part of the SS which was responsible for the and death of thousands of French people under the Germany occupation.

HEINRICH RUPP;
Some of Rupp's best work was done for the CIA, after he was imported in Operation Paperclip. Rupp has been convicted of bank fraud. He was an operative for the CIA and is deeply involved in the Savings and Loan scandals. A federal jury has indicated they believe testimony that Rupp, the late CIA Director William Casey - then Reagan's campaign manager, and Donald Gregg, now U.S. Ambassador to South Korea, flew with George Bush to Paris in 1980, during the election in which Bush was on the ticket with Ronald Reagan. The testimony states that three meetings were held on October 19 and 20 at the Hotel Florida and Hotel Crillion. The subject? According to the court testimony, the meetings were to sabotage President Jimmy Carter's reelection campaign by delaying the release of American hostages in Iran. The hostages were released on January 20, 1981, right after Reagan and Bush were sworn into office. Iran was promised return of its frozen assets in the United States and the foundation for the Iran- Contra deal was set into motion.

LICIO GELLI;
Head of a 2400 member secret Masonic Lodge, P2, a neo-fascist organization, in Italy that catered to only the elite, Gelli had high connections in the Vatican, even though he was not a Catholic. P2's membership is totally secret and not even available to its Mother Lodge in England. Gelli was responsible for providing Argentina with the Exocet missile. He was a double agent for the CIA and the KGB. He assisted many former Nazi high officials in their escape from Europe to Central America. He had close ties with the Italian Mafia. Gelli was a close associate of Benito Mussolini. He was also closely affiliated with Roberto Calvi, head of the scandal-ridden Vatican Bank. Calvi was murdered. Gelli's secret lodge consisted of extremely important people, including armed forces commanders, secret service chiefs, head of Italy's financial police, 30 generals, eight admirals, newspaper editors, television and top business executives and key bankers - including Calvi. Licio Gelli and others in P2 were behind the assasination of Pope John Paul 1.

The central figure in Europe and South America that linked the CIA, Masonic Lodge, Vatican, ex-Nazis and several South American governments, the Italian government and several international banks was Licio Gelli. He, with Klaus Barbie and Heinrich Rupp, met with Ronald R. Rewald in Uruguay to arrange for the Argentine purchase of the French-made Exocet missile, used in the Falkland Island attack to kill british soldiers.

Who is Gelli and why was he so important?

To understand Gelli, one must understand the complex post war years of Europe. The biggest threat to Europe in pre-war times was Communism - it was the great fear of Communism that gave birth to the Fascists and the Nazis. Though both sides were dreaded, the Fascists represented right-wing government, while the Communist represent left-wing government. It was the right-wing that the United States and the Catholic Church desired over Communism - because Communism would destroy the capitalistic system. This is why the CIA and the Vatican had go through with Operation Paperclip. The Nazis had massive amounts of Soviet intelligence, had infilitrated Communist partisans, and were in no way going to be given up to the Soviet Union.

Gelli worked both sides. He helped to found the Red Brigade, spied on Communist partisans and worked for the Nazis at the same time, a double agent. He helped establish the Rat Line, which assisted the flight of high ranking Nazi officials from Europe to South America, with passports supplied by the Vatican and with the full acknowledgment and blessing of the United States intelligence community. While on one hand, the U.S. participated in the war crime tribunals of key Nazi officials and maintained an alliance with the Communist Soviet Union, secretly, the U.S. was preparing for the cold war and needed the help of Nazis in the eventual struggle the U.S. would have with the Soviet Union. Gelli's agreement with U.S. intelligence to spy on the Communists after the war was instrumental in saving his life. He was responsible for the murder and torture of hundreds of Yugoslavian partisans.

The Vatican provided support to Nazis and Fascists because the Communists were the real threat to the Church's survival. The Italian Communists would have taxed the Church's vast holdings and the Church has had a dismal experience with Communist governments throughout the world - where religious freedom was stamped out.

Gelli was well connected with the Vatican from the days of the Rat Line and he worked for American intelligence, as well. Gelli formed the P-2 Masonic Lodge-which did not follow the direction of any Grand Lodge-and it was supplied with a sum of $10 million a month by the CIA. Its membership was a Who's Who in the intelligence, military and Italian community. So prominent was Gelli's influence, that he was even a guest of honor at the 1981 inauguration of President Ronald Reagan.

Gelli used blackmail in order to gain prominent members of his P-2 lodge, its membership is estimated at 2400 members, including 300 of the most powerful men in the Western World.. He was a close friend of Pope Paul VI, Juan Peron of Argentina, Libyan Dictator Muammar el-Qaddafi, and many high officials in the Italian and American governments - he is also reported to have had some financial dealings with the George Bush for President campaign.

Gelli and his P-2 lodge had staggering connections to banking, intelligence and diplomatic passports. The CIA poured hundreds of millions of dollars into Italy in the form of secret subsidies for political parties, labor unions and communications businesses. At the same time the Agency continued its relationship with far- right and violent elements as a back-up should a coup be needed to oust a possible Communist government. This covert financing was exposed by the Prime Minister of Italy in a speech to Parliament. He indicates that more than 600 people in Italy still remain on the payroll of the CIA. Licio Gelli was an ardent Nazi and a perfect asset of the CIA. As part of Reinhard Gehlen's intelligence team, he had excellent contacts. Licio was the go between for the CIA and the Vatican through his P2 Lodge.

Project Paperclip was stopped in 1957, when West Germany protested to the U.S. that these efforts had stripped it of "scientific skills." There was no comment about supporting Nazis. Paperclip may have ended in 1957, but as you can see from Licio Gelli and his international dealings with the CIA in Italy/P2, and Heinrich Rupp with his involvement in October Surprise, the ramifications of Paperclip are world-wide. The Nazis became employed CIA agents, engaging in clandestine work with the likes of George Bush, the CIA, Henry Kissenger, and the Masonic P2 lodge. This is but one of the results of Operation Paperclip. Another umbrella project that was spawned from Paperclip was MK-ULTRA.

A secret laboratory was established and funded by CIA director, Allen Dulles in Montreal, Canada at McGill University in the Allen Memorial Institute headed by psychiatrist Dr. Ewen Cameron. For the next several years Dr. Ewen Cameron waged his private war in Canada. What is ironic about Dr. Cameron is that he served as a member of the Nuremberg tribunal who heard the cases against the Nazi doctors.

When it was at its height in drug experiments, operation MK-ULTRA was formed. This was the brainchild of Richard Helms who later came to be a CIA director. It was designed to defeat the "enemy" in its brain-washing techniques. MK-ULTRA had another arm involved in Chemical and Biological Warfare (CBW) known as MK-DELTA. The "doctors" who participated in these experiments used some of the same techniques as the Nazi "doctors". Techniques used by Dr. Cameron and previous Nazi scientists include electro shock, sleep deprivation, memory implantation, memory erasure, sensory modification, psychoactive drug experiments, and many more cruel practices.

Project Paperclip brought us MK-ULTRA. Paperclip ultimately brought in key players involved in the Assassination of Pope 1, October Surprise (sabotage of Carter's peace talks), and a great many other things still classified to this day. The results of Project Paperclip were devastating, and very far reaching. I guess that is what you would expect from collaborating with Nazis.

This research shows that the OSS/CIA that was formed in the National Security Act, the same agency that employed hundreds of Nazis, has been in alliance with the Vatican through various Agency connections such as Licio Gelli. The CIA/Vatican alliance that Assassinated Pope John Paul 1, JFK, and hundreds of dictators of 3rd world countries is the Illuminati.

The Bavarian Illuminati has been around for centuries in one way or another. It's presence in the 20th century is the direct result of the Nazis. The Nazi connections to the occult and the Bavarian Thule Society were parallel to the American members of 33rd degree Freemasonry. When the Operation Paperclip was successfully executed, the Nazi element of the Bavarian Thule society was fused with the American members of Freemasonry to create the Illuminati.

Operation Paperclip, MK-ULTRA, October Surprise, and George Bush are all facets of the Illuminati, a group whose ideals are rooted in the occult, and dedicated to world domination.

Soon after the American Revolution, John Robinson, a professor of rural philosophy at Edinburgh University in Scotland and member of a Freemason lodge, said that he was asked to join the Illuminati. After studying the group, he concluded that the purposes of the Illuminati were not compatible with his beliefs.

In 1798, he published a book called "Proofs Of A Conspiracy," which states:


"An association has been formed for the express purpose of rooting out all the religious establishments and overturning all the existing governments.... The leaders would rule the World with uncontrollable power, while all the rest would be employed as tools of the ambition of their unknown superiors."

The CIA and the Vatican have rooted out all the religious establishemnts in the world. The CIA has overthrown and set up dictators under their control all over the world. The CIA and the Vatican have fullfilled the purpose of the Illuminati. The CIA and the Vatican _are_ the Illuminati.

Dossier compiled by Agent Orange

bibliography:
1. It's a Conspiracy! Michael Litchfield, Earthworks Press
2. Operation Paperclip, Clare Lasby, Athenaeum 1975
3. U.S. Coverup of Nazi Scientists, Linda Hunt, Bulletin of Atomic Scientists
4. Acid Dreams, Martin Lee and Bruce Schlain, Grove Press
5. Journey Into Madness, Gordon Thomas, Bantam Books
6. Plain Speaking: An Oral Biography of Harry S. Truman, Merle Miller, New York
7. Kiss the Boys Goodbye, by Monika Jensen-Stevenson and William Stevenson.
8. Inside Job - The Looting of America's S&L, by Stephen Pizzo, Mary Fricker
9. In God's Name, An Investigation into the Murder of Pope John Paul I, by David A.Yallop.
10. The Crimes of Patriots - A True Tale of Dope. Dirty Money, and the CIA by Jonathan Kwitny.
11. Mengele - The Complete Story, by Gerald L. Posner and John Ware.
12. Blowback, America's Recruitment of Nazis and its Effects on the Cold War, by Christopher Simpson.
13. Jury Says Story of Reagan-Bush Campaign Deal With Iran Is True, San Francisco Chronicle May 5, 1990.
14. Hawaii Scheme Cost Napans $500.000, Napa Register October 3, 1983.
15. The Vatican Connection by Richard Hammer
16. The Great Heroin Coup, Drug's, Intelligence & International Fascism by Henrik Kruger
17. The Nazi Legacy by Magnus Linklater, Isabel Hilton, Neal Ascherson
18. The P-2 Time Bomb Goes Off, May 1984 The Economist

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Postby David Thompson » 22 Oct 2003 17:13

Nice work, Gabriel.

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Postby ChristopherPerrien » 22 Oct 2003 17:55

Although I can see the first paragraph of the whole thing as being the "truth" about "Paperclip" it is also a "hook" for the remaining "stuff".

After WWII ended in 1945, victorious Russian and American intelligence teams began a treasure hunt throughout occupied Germany for military and scientific booty. They were looking for things like new rocket and aircraft designs, medicines, and electronics. But they were also hunting down the most precious "spoils" of all: the scientists whose work had nearly won the war for Germany. The engineers and intelligence officers of the Nazi War Machine.



Then it gets real good:

Soon after the American Revolution, John Robinson, a professor of rural philosophy at Edinburgh University in Scotland and member of a Freemason lodge, said that he was asked to join the Illuminati. After studying the group, he concluded that the purposes of the Illuminati were not compatible with his beliefs. In 1798, he published a book called "Proofs Of A Conspiracy," which states:

"An association has been formed for the express purpose of rooting out all the religious establishments and overturning all the existing governments.... The leaders would rule the World with uncontrollable power, while all the rest would be employed as tools of the ambition of their unknown superiors."



1798?! This I gotta find just for "Funsees"

Nice work, Gabriel

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Postby David Thompson » 23 Oct 2003 00:32

gabriel -- I have to agree with Chris, that the Illuminati/Freemason conclusion of the article is . . . well, very imaginative.

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Postby gabriel pagliarani » 23 Oct 2003 10:37

"CIA and Vatican are the Illuminati" = 100% "disinformazia".In such a bull-shit: the real enemy of democracy is obviously deeply hidden behind the smoke courtain launched by Agent Orange. (..counter information..) Or dirty waters always hide the biggest fish. 8)
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Finally the 4 "stolen" nazi-medics guilty of the killing of at least 80 inmates of Dachau camp involved in "high ceiling experiments", medics of Luftwaffe (not SS or Heer) and surely recycled in US manned flight space programs were:

1-GERHARD ROSE
2-HANS WOLFGANG ROMBERG
3-SIEGFRIED RUFF
4-KONRAD SCHAEFER

Other people mentioned by David or by Agent Orange must be considered out of this stuff because not of Luftwaffe and/or not doctors and/or involved in such criminal experiments and/or recycled in USA. Those criminals had to be available in NASA facilities of Houston, Texas, till early 90s. Anyway a deep shame in both histories of Deutscher Luftwaffe and US NASA.

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Postby Valtoro » 04 Apr 2005 17:16

Was this guy one of the seven Luftwaffe Doctors that was trialed for war crimes at Nürnberg?


(Picture taken from one of my schoolbooks in ethics)
Caption says: "Research without ethical guidelnes: freeze experiments in the KZ-camp Dachau during Second world war two. A Prisoner lays submerged in icy water while a Professor in Physiology from the University in Kiel and his assistant observes."

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EDIT: found this link too, with a another picture of the ice water experiments:
http://hrsbstaff.ednet.ns.ca/waymac/ima ... chau32.jpg
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Postby gabriel pagliarani » 04 Apr 2005 20:52

Valtoro wrote:Was this guy one of the seven Luftwaffe Doctors that was trialed for war crimes at Nürnberg? ...

Never seen before and the assistant , clearly a LW high rank offizier, seems to be Siegfried Ruff, a fysiologist of the NASA Mercury Project. Fine shot!

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Postby sumicron95 » 05 Apr 2005 13:49

On the right is Sigmunt Rascher, on the left is Holzlohner

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Postby gabriel pagliarani » 05 Apr 2005 14:14

sumicron95 wrote:On the right is Sigmunt Rascher, on the left is Holzlohner

But this guy is not an SS! He wears clearly a LW dress....

Rascher, Dr. med. Sigmund (1909-1945) [SS-Sturmbannführer (SS: Roll of Infamy p. 138) or SS-Hauptsturmführer (Camp Men p. 184)] – conducted medical experiments in high-altitude research at concentration camp (Konzentrationslager – KL) Dachau 1942-1944 {executed by the SS 26 Apr 1945 at Dachau or early May 1945 (SS: Roll of Infamy p. 138; Camp Men p. 184).}

(3) After the war, there was a controversy involving this doctor, who apparently had been recruited by the American intelligence services during the course of "Operation Paperclip"

Apparently? :lol:

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Postby jv » 05 Apr 2005 23:38

gabriel pagliarani wrote:
sumicron95 wrote:On the right is Sigmunt Rascher, on the left is Holzlohner

But this guy is not an SS! He wears clearly a LW dress....

Rascher, Dr. med. Sigmund (1909-1945) [SS-Sturmbannführer (SS: Roll of Infamy p. 138) or SS-Hauptsturmführer (Camp Men p. 184)] – conducted medical experiments in high-altitude research at concentration camp (Konzentrationslager – KL) Dachau 1942-1944 {executed by the SS 26 Apr 1945 at Dachau or early May 1945 (SS: Roll of Infamy p. 138; Camp Men p. 184).}

(3) After the war, there was a controversy involving this doctor, who apparently had been recruited by the American intelligence services during the course of "Operation Paperclip"

Apparently? :lol:


After his transfer to the SS Rascher remained in Dachau conducting "medical experiments" until early in 1944 when he was arrested, ostensibly for assisting his wife in the kidnapping of infants. When the American forces were closing in on Buchenwald, Rascher and the other prominent 'special' prisoners were evacuated to Dachau and housed in the privileged prisoner area known as the "bunker." Rascher was killed by a shot to the back of the head on April 26, 1945 in cell 73 of the Dachau "bunker." Three days later the camp was liberated by the American Army.
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