german civilians were used as slave labourers by ussr

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german civilians were used as slave labourers by ussr

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Post by wildboar » 02 Jun 2002, 13:21

Hundreds of thousands of German civilians were deported to the Soviet Union after 1945 and ended as slave-labour, together with German prisoners of war.
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http://globalfire.tv/nj/e99/history/mustsaid.htm

In addition, the KGB records show that the Soviets had also imprisoned hundreds of thousands of German civilians, of whom thousands died.
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http://globalfire.tv/nj/e2001/history/g ... ocaust.htm

now real question is if nazis were tried at nuremburg for use of civilians from eastern europe as slave labour then with same yardstick why were soviets allowed to use german civilians as slave labourers?why these double standards
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Post by Roberto » 02 Jun 2002, 23:50

wildboar wrote:
Hundreds of thousands of German civilians were deported to the Soviet Union after 1945 and ended as slave-labour, together with German prisoners of war.
source-
http://globalfire.tv/nj/e99/history/mustsaid.htm

In addition, the KGB records show that the Soviets had also imprisoned hundreds of thousands of German civilians, of whom thousands died.
source-

http://globalfire.tv/nj/e2001/history/g ... ocaust.htm

now real question is if nazis were tried at nuremburg for use of civilians from eastern europe as slave labour then with same yardstick why were soviets allowed to use german civilians as slave labourers?why these double standards
As John Wayne said in The Dark Command: "Before you can try 'em, you gotta catch 'em". Criminals acting on behalf of or sponsored by a state are "caught" if that state suffers total defeat in war. Otherwise they aren't.

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Post by Ovidius » 03 Jun 2002, 00:02

Roberto wrote:As John Wayne said in The Dark Command: "Before you can try 'em, you gotta catch 'em". Criminals acting on behalf of or sponsored by a state are "caught" if that state suffers total defeat in war. Otherwise they aren't.
Even if this fits into the justice field(trials etc), it doesn't fit to scum propaganda the Schindler's List style, which deals expressely with forced labor("slave labor" doesn't fit, since nobody could "buy" one or more Jews).

As for the German prisoners, I doubt they could have considered themselves as such, because they had no terms of comparison: the entire USSR was a larger prison. Even if they were let entirely "free", they were still going to live in a country-sized prison. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Post by Roberto » 03 Jun 2002, 00:24

Ovidius wrote:
Roberto wrote:As John Wayne said in The Dark Command: "Before you can try 'em, you gotta catch 'em". Criminals acting on behalf of or sponsored by a state are "caught" if that state suffers total defeat in war. Otherwise they aren't.

Even if this fits into the justice field(trials etc), it doesn't fit to scum propaganda the Schindler's List style, which deals expressely with forced labor("slave labor" doesn't fit, since nobody could "buy" one or more Jews).
If I well remember that "scum propaganda", being used as forced laborers was the least of concerns that Schindler's Jews had.
As for the German prisoners, I doubt they could have considered themselves as such, because they had no terms of comparison: the entire USSR was a larger prison. Even if they were let entirely "free", they were still going to live in a country-sized prison.
This would mean they were not worse off than the Soviet civilian population, which after the war lived under conditions so bad that they are known to have begged food from the German POWs on occasion.

At least they were better off than much if not most of the remaining Soviet prison and camp population, especially the survivors of German POW camps whom Stalin sent straight to the Gulag.

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Post by Mensch Meyer » 04 Jun 2002, 07:01

Roberto wrote:
This would mean they were not worse off than the Soviet civilian population, which after the war lived under conditions so bad that they are known to have begged food from the German POWs on occasion.

At least they were better off than much if not most of the remaining Soviet prison and camp population, especially the survivors of German POW camps whom Stalin sent straight to the Gulag.
What an unprincipled apology!

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Post by Roberto » 04 Jun 2002, 11:20

Mensch Meyer wrote:
Roberto wrote:
This would mean they were not worse off than the Soviet civilian population, which after the war lived under conditions so bad that they are known to have begged food from the German POWs on occasion.

At least they were better off than much if not most of the remaining Soviet prison and camp population, especially the survivors of German POW camps whom Stalin sent straight to the Gulag.
What an unprincipled apology!
Not an apology, but a fact. I wouldn't exactly consider it apologetic to point out how the Soviet government treated its own people.

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