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Hungarian field artillery

Postby Mait on 16 Jun 2002 14:24

Hello.

Does anyone have information about WW2 Hungarian field artillery - guns they used, number of each model, etc? Or does anyone know a link to a webpage about this? I am most interested in data about year 1943.

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Postby Marcus Wendel on 16 Jun 2002 14:28

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Re: Hungarian field artillery

Postby Milan Szekelyhidi on 18 Jun 2002 09:41

1915M mountain cannon
Caliber: 75.5 mm
Pipe long: 1125 mm
High range limit: -9° - +50°
Side range limit: 7°
Cannon weight in fight: 620 kg
Shot weight: 6.5 kg
Max. range: 7600 m
Cannon shield: yes
Cannon foot: chest
Traction: pack

1914/35M mountain cannon
Caliber: 75.5 mm
Pipe long: 1125 mm
High range limit: -9° - +50°
Side range limit: 7°
Cannon weight in fight: 670 kg
Shot weight: 6.5 kg
Max. range: 7600 m
Cannon shield: yes
Cannon foot: chest
Traction: horse

1905/08M light field cannon
Caliber: 76.5 mm
Pipe long: 2295 mm
High range limit: -5° - +23°
Side range limit: 8°
Cannon weight in fight: 1020 kg
Shot weight: 7 kg
Max. range: 9300 m
Cannon shield: yes
Cannon foot: chest
Traction: horse

1918M light field cannon
Caliber: 76.5 mm
Pipe long: 2297 mm
High range limit: +10° - +45°
Side range limit: 6° 40'
Cannon weight in fight: 1330 kg
Shot weight: 6.5 kg
Shot muzzle velocity: 508 m/s
Max. range: 8400 m
Cannon shield: yes
Cannon foot: chest
Traction: horse

235(b) light field cannon
Caliber: 75 mm
Pipe long: 2250 mm
High range limit: -10° - +15°
Side range limit: 6° 32'
Cannon weight in fight: 1190 kg
Shot weight: 6.29 kg
Shot muzzle velocity: 494 m/s
Max. range: 9900 m
Cannon shield: yes
Cannon foot: chest
Traction: horse

1914M 10 cm light field howitzer
Caliber: 100 mm
Pipe long: 1930 mm
High range limit: -8° - +70°
Side range limit: 5°
Cannon weight in fight: 1417 kg
Shot weight: 4.5 kg
Shot muzzle velocity: 422 m/s
Max. range: 8000 m
Cannon shield: yes
Cannon foot: chest
Traction: horse

1914/A M 10 cm light field howitzer
Caliber: 100 mm
Pipe long: 1930 mm
High range limit: -8° - +70°
Side range limit: 5°
Cannon weight in fight: 1420 kg
Shot weight: 13.75 kg
Shot muzzle velocity: 399 m/s
Max. range: 8870 m
Cannon shield: yes
Cannon foot: chest
Traction: horse

1937 M light field howitzer
Caliber: 105 mm
Pipe long: 2941 mm
High range limit: -5° - +42°
Side range limit: ? 28°
Cannon weight in fight: 1850 (horse type) 1900 (motor vehicle type) kg
Shot weight: 14 - 17.84 kg
Shot muzzle velocity: 471 m/s
Max. range: 10760 m
Cannon shield: yes
Cannon foot: splay
Traction: horse, motor vehicle

1940 M light field howitzer
Caliber: 104.9 mm
Pipe long: 2148 mm
High range limit: -5° - +45°
Side range limit: ? 4°
Cannon weight in fight: 1550 kg
Shot weight: 14.75 - 15.8 kg
Shot muzzle velocity: 442 - 452 m/s
Max. range: 10760 m
Cannon shield: yes
Cannon foot: chest
Traction: horse

1914 M medium field howitzer
Caliber: 149.1 mm
Pipe long: 2087 mm
High range limit: +5° - +70°
Side range limit: 8°
Cannon weight in fight: 2765 kg
Shot weight: 42 kg
Shot muzzle velocity: 350 m/s
Max. range: 8000 m
Cannon shield: yes
Cannon foot: chest
Traction: horse

1914/35 M medium field howitzer
Caliber: 149.1 mm
Pipe long: 2574 mm
High range limit: +5° - +70°
Side range limit: 4°
Cannon weight in fight: 2965 kg
Shot weight: 42-47 kg
Shot muzzle velocity: 277 - 380 m/s
Max. range: 10690 m
Cannon shield: yes
Cannon foot: chest
Traction: horse

1914/39 M medium field howitzer
Caliber: 149.1 mm
Pipe long: 2644 mm
High range limit: +5° - +70°
Side range limit: 4°
Cannon weight in fight: 2965 kg
Shot weight: 42.7 kg
Shot muzzle velocity: 345 m/s
Max. range: 10690 m
Cannon shield: yes
Cannon foot: chest
Traction: horse

1931 M medium field howitzer
Caliber: 149.1 mm
Pipe long: 3600 mm
High range limit: -5° - +45°
Side range limit: ? 22.5°
Cannon weight in fight: 5595 kg
Shot weight: 42 - 47 kg
Shot muzzle velocity: 530 - 583 m/s
Max. range: 14600 m
Cannon shield: yes
Cannon foot: splay
Traction: motor vehicle

1931 M medium field cannon
Caliber: 105 mm
Pipe long: 5250 mm
High range limit: -5° - +45°
Side range limit: ? 22.5°
Cannon weight in fight: 5995 kg
Shot weight: 17.5 kg
Shot muzzle velocity: 825 m/s
Max. range: 19500 m
Cannon shield: yes
Cannon foot: splay
Traction: motor vehicle

1916 M heavy howitzer
Caliber: 305 mm
Pipe long: 3660 mm
High range limit: +40° - +75°
Side range limit: 360°
Cannon weight in fight: ?
Shot weight: 300 - 385 kg
Shot muzzle velocity: 329 - 371 m/s
Max. range: 11250 m
Cannon shield: no
Cannon foot: 2600x4600
Traction: motor vehicle

1939 M heavy mortar
Caliber: 210 mm
Pipe long: 5000 mm
High range limit: 0° - +70°
Side range limit: +40° - 35°
Cannon weight in fight: 15885 kg
Shot weight: 102 - 117.5 kg
Shot muzzle velocity: 528 - 553 m/s
Max. range: ?
Cannon shield: no
Cannon foot: splay
Traction: motor vehicle

1940 M heavy mortar
Caliber: 210 mm
Pipe long: 4998 mm
High range limit: 0° - +70°
Side range limit: ?
Cannon weight in fight: 15021 kg
Shot weight: 102 - 117.5 kg
Shot muzzle velocity: 528 - 553 m/s
Max. range: ?
Cannon shield: no
Cannon foot: splay
Traction: motor vehicle

1940 M heavy mortar
Caliber: 210 mm
Pipe long: 4998 mm
High range limit: 0° - +70°
Side range limit: ?
Cannon weight in fight: 15885 kg
Shot weight: 101 kg
Shot muzzle velocity: 570 m/s
Max. range: 16000 m
Cannon shield: no
Cannon foot: splay
Traction: motor vehicle

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Hungarian field artillery

Postby Mait on 19 Jun 2002 12:07

Hello and thanks for the data about the guns. Could You give some comments about them - who is the manufacturer, the number of each in use or produced, and some comments about their quality, etc.

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Postby Csaba Becze on 20 Jun 2002 09:47

Some guns were old construction, legacy of the Austro-Hungarian Army, some were Hungarian construction. Hungary bought some Swedish and Italian gun licence too.

BTW the caption on the picture of the 1916 M heavy howitzer is wrong. The heavy howitzer units arived the Don's bank in December, 1942. This photo was taken probably earlier and not near the Don.
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Re: Hungarian field artillery

Postby Milan Szekelyhidi on 20 Jun 2002 09:57

1915M mountain cannon Austro-Hungary, Skoda company

1914/35M mountain cannon Hungary, MÁVAG-Skoda company

1905/08M light field cannon Austro-Hungary, Skoda company

1918M light field cannon Austro-Hungary, Böhler company

235(b) light field cannon ?????

1914M 10 cm light field howitzer Austro-Hungary, Skoda company

1914/A M 10 cm light field howitzer Austro-Hungary, Skoda company

1937 M light field howitzer ????? maybe Hungary, MÁVAG

1940 M light field howitzer Hungary, MÁVAG

1914 M medium field howitzer Austro-Hungary, Skoda company

1914/35 M medium field howitzer Hungary, MÁVAG-Skoda company

1914/39 M medium field howitzer Hungary, MÁVAG-Skoda company

1931 M medium field howitzer Hungary/Sweden, MÁVAG/Bofors company

1931 M medium field cannon Hungary/Sweden, MÁVAG/Bofors company

1916 M heavy howitzer ????? Maybe Austro-Hungary, Skoda company

1939 M heavy mortar ????? Maybe Hungary, MÁVAG

1940 M heavy mortar ????? Maybe Hungary, MÁVAG

1940 M heavy mortar ????? Maybe Hungary, MÁVAG


The Austro-Hungary cannons afterwards made in Hungary, MÁVAG.
MÁVAG (MAVAG) was in two cities, Budapest (most plains) and Diósgyõr (Diosgyor) (most cannons).
MÁVAG = Magyar Állami Vas-és Acél Gépgyárak (Hungarian National Iron and Steel Engine Factories)

I not found data for number of pieces.

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Postby Mait on 20 Jun 2002 16:30

Any comments about the guns?

Were they liked by artillerymen, how rugged was the construction, were they upgraded or modified (the guns from austro-hungarian era), etc.

And if You have pictures, could You post some?

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hungarian field artillery

Postby Christoph Awender on 21 Jun 2002 10:51

Hello!

I forward this message from Dr.Leo Niehorster...

Here's the missing data for the Hungarian ordnance:
Please note: my sources differ slightly as to some of the
specifications - happens all the time
.
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1939 M heavy howitzer
- Hungarian designation: 21cm 39 M. nehéz tarack (gépkocsizó)
- Manufacturer: Krupp, Essen & Hanomag, Hannover, Germany
- (German designation: 21cm Mörser 18)
- Caliber: 210.9 mm
- Barrel length: L/31 (6510 mm)
- Elevation: 0° / +70°
- Traverse: +8° / 8°
- Unlimbered weight: 17,372 kg
- Shot weight:
-- high explosive: 113 kg
-- concrete-piercing: 121.4 kg
- Shot muzzle velocity: 565 m/s
- Range: 18,700 meters
- Mobility: motorized prime mover (towed in 2 loads)


1916 M heavy howitzer
- Hungarian designation: 30.5cm 16 M. nehéz mozsár* (gépkocsizó)
- (* Hadrendböl törölve)
- Manufacturer: S(kodawerke, Pilsen, Austro-Hungary (vz.16 )
- Caliber: 305 mm
- Barrel length: L/12 (3650 mm)
- Elevation: -4° / +75°
- Traverse: 360°
- Unlimbered weight: 23,150 kg
- Shot weight:
-- high explosive: 287 kg
-- concrete-piercing: 385 kg
- Shot muzzle velocity: 448 m/s
- Range: 12,200 meters
- Mobility: motorized prime mover (towed in 3 loads)

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Heavy howitzers and infantry mortars

Postby Mait on 22 Jun 2002 18:46

Hello.

And again I have some questions:

Could anyone tell me which infantry mortars were used by Hungarian Army (period I am interested in is 1941-43)? Were captured Soviet models used? Which models were produced in Hungary (period again 1941-43)?

(To Milan Szekelyhidi) You posted a list of Hungarian artillery. There are two 210mm 1940M howitzers, that differ only in minor details. Are these actually the same model (with differences started by different sources of data about the gun)?

I understand that the Škoda built 100mm model 1914 field howitzers. These were good and reliable guns, as many were used by Entente nations after WWI (they gained them as war reparations). In your list You give two 100mm howitzers (1914M and 1914A/M) with quite similar gun qualities but rather big differences in shell data. Could You give some additional comments about it (the same gun with different shells)?
I know that the Škoda upgraded the 1914 model in 1919, and these model 14/19 were sold to Hungary beside many European countries. Could this 1914A/M be this gun?

And the last question: Does anyone have the complete list of artillery ammo types (models) and calibers used by Hungarian army?

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Re: Heavy howitzers and infantry mortars

Postby Milan Szekelyhidi on 29 Jun 2002 18:35

I found more types artillery, but I not found more data.

1942M 76 mm light cannon, Hungarian made.
1943M 15 cm serial fighter, license from Germany, made in Hungary.
1940M 104.9 mm (others 105 mm) use the 40/43M Zrinyi (Zrínyi 105 or Zrínyi II) assault gun.
235 (b) were Belgian light field cannon, real type Belgian 06 TR.
1916 M 305 mm heavy howitzers lost in winter fight 1943, only 2 remain. (Other info the type 11/16M)
1940M 210 mm howitzers, the different were the made. 1940M 210 mm made in Hungary, but the other info type 1940/A M 210 mm was Italian. The 2 type was same, but only some construction was different. The Hungarian 1940M made the last in 1943 from MAVAG Diósgyõr.

I didn’t find why different 1914M and 1914/A M, but I found other type, what Hungary used:
1914 M 10 cm field howitzer, Skoda company
Caliber: 100 mm
Pipe long: 1865 mm
High range limit: 8° - +50°
Side range limit: 6°
Cannon weight in fight: 1350 kg
Shot weight: 11.5 (16) kg
Shot muzzle velocity: 422 (341) m/s
Max. range: 8000 (7600) m
Cannon shield: yes
Cannon foot: chest
Traction: horse or motor vehicle

1937 M light field howitzer German made, no license, never made in Hungary.

I look for the ammo types, but I don’t hope, I will find any data.

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Re: Heavy howitzers and infantry mortars

Postby Milan Szekelyhidi on 29 Jun 2002 18:39

1942M 76 mm light cannon from museum, Kecel, Hungary.
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To Milan Szekelyhidi

Postby Mait on 30 Jun 2002 01:13

Thanks.

I thought that 235 (b) must be Belgian - this looks like standard German numeration for captured weapons introduced in German armed forces.
So presumably these guns were given to Hungarians by Germans.

1916M heavy howitzer looks like the most famous austro-hungarian gun from WW1. It was a 305mm mortar used by austro-hungary and germany as well. Truth is that the original model was built since 1911 (so 1911 model). I dont know about the later 1916 model but on the pictures they look very much alike.

1942M 76mm could be captured Soviet Zis-3 model 1942 guns. The picture You sent has lot of resemblece with that gun.

Now I didn´t quite understand that: "1943M 15 cm serial fighter, license from Germany, made in Hungary" - could You please specify?

Best Regards,

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PS! Do You know anything about Hungarian infantry mortars/granatenwerfers?
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Model 1911 305mm howitzer

Postby Mait on 30 Jun 2002 01:23

I will post some pictures of WW1 Austro-Hungarian 305mm howitzers. By the way, these guns were used by Germans in Belgia to attack the forts there...

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Postby Ovidius on 30 Jun 2002 01:33

The link below it's pure Off-Topic because the guns are from WWI, but it's nevertheless interesting:

Skoda 380mm and 420mm howitzers captured by the Royal Romanian Army from Austria-Hungary:

http://www.cix.co.uk/~nrobinson/railgun/Railwayguns/German/the%20Skoda%20gun%20train.html

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Big guns...

Postby Mait on 30 Jun 2002 01:44

Were these used by Romanian Army? And did Romanians capture or receive as war-reprisals the 305mm Škoda guns?

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