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Hallo Michi

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Post by Rudi S. » 13 Jun 2006, 04:49

Hallo Michi,
I found the following on this web site:

http://www.freiwilligecrew.poszukiwania ... i_Brod_ENG

On 23rd of January the rest of German sections came near Sulejów and during the next few days (after going throught Pilica) they joined to "Kampfgruppe Nehring". Then they all together have withdrawn further on West - till they have reached Odra. The fights in the neighbourhood of Ruski Bród lasted even 4 days (18th - 22nd January 1945) and were very bloody.

Habe die Ehre (sagt man das noch in Oesterreich?),
Rudi S.

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Post by Yuri » 22 Jun 2006, 10:18

On December, 7th, 1942 near settlement Top-Zarizinskiy (north of settlement Perelazovsky) have been brought down three German transport self-summers Þ-52. One of planes tried to make landing, but during the moment of a landing has hit about the ground.
Members of crew of self-summer and German officers was landing branch were lost all. The lost passengers of self-summer were officers of a staff 384 ID.
From self-summer and as from bodies of the lost German officers documents have been withdrawn. Among documents the order on 384 ID from December, 6th, 1942 has been found out. (CAMD RF fund 331 Inventory 5041 File 24 page 164)

From this order and as and under other documents, it has been established, that 384 ID former structure (operated earlier inside Stalingrads a boiler) is disbanded owing to greater losses.
Splinters of its units were transferred in other divisions, and officers of a staff moved by air from Stalingrad to area of bottom watercourse Chir.

The purpose moving of officers of a staff of a division - creation new 384 ID on the basis of operating in area of bottom watercourse Chir of fighting group " Adam ".
For the commander 384 ID general-lieutenant Gablients flight from Stalingrad has passed successfully and on December, 10th it has arrived to village Nizhne-Chirskaj. Here it has accepted from colonel Adam command above battle group " Adam ".
From the moment of the introduction general-lieutenant Gablients in command of battle group " Adam ", this group has replaced the name and began to refer to as battle group " Gablients ".

Battle group " Adam " has arisen 22 more November, that is for a day before the Red Army has closed a ring of an around Stalingrad.
Base for creation of group " Adam " became some battalions stalingrad's divisions which have appeared outside of a ring of an environment. Escalating of number of fighting group Adam occured:

a/ Due to isolated units of 6-th army and 4-th tank army which have managed to reach area of bottom watercourse Chir;

b/ Due to 6-th railway a shelf and several building battalions which have been borrowed on construction of narrow-gauge branches of the railway. Germans tried to stretch in the different parties a little íèòîê the railway in a direction on the north and the east from trunk main Morozovskaja-Stalingrad.

c/ Due to some summary battalions which command of group of armies "B" has generated in Morozovskaj.

d/ Due to several units of aviafield divisions

e/ Due to marschevaj* company 295 ID, arrived from Germany. Here profits: 4-th, 7-th, 9-th company of a marscheviy* battalion 295 ID. The arrived marscheviy* ñcompany have strengthened was here: to 295 transport mouth and a battalion of protection of rear 295 infantry divisions** which have appeared outside stalingrad a boiler.
The group of units 295 ID operated at settlement Erizkiy around of which Russian armies hardly have not closed a ring. About a grouping of forces in Eriåzkiy colonel Bahman ordered.

The site of front between Erizkiy and Lisinskiy was defended with summary battalions. Base for creation of one of these summary battalions was 754 sapper a battalion which was before in the Kalach.
Number of this summary battalion made 500 person.
To the west of it other battalion without number, summary with number 800 person operated.

Settlement Rychovsky 672 sapper defended a battalion. In this battalion there was only two company 1-st and 3-rd. One more (2-nd company) already earlier has been destroyed. Therefore 672 battalion has received updating by number up to 150 person due to the soldier departed from under Stalingrad.
On December, 4th, 1942 672 sapper a battalion has mined all northern surburb of settlement Rychkovsky. Mines was much - here there were warehouses of engineering armies of 6-th army

12/6/1942 of year in Rychovsky on motor vehicles there has arrived from Morosovskaj big on number a marsheviy* battalion. In Morosovskaj 309-th spare heavy artillery battalion has been included in battle structure of this marsheviy battalion.

In structure in groups " Adams " have got as:
- Divisions 59 Artillery Shelfs of 3-rd Motor-infantry Division,
- Spare divisions 283 and 89 strengthenings separate Artillery Battalions 24 PzD

The group Adam had tanks in quantity up to 20 pieces, and it two batteries 6 trunks had mortars on 6 pieces in the battery.

The staff of group " Adam " was placed in village Nizhne-Chirskaj. As a staff of group Adam has been used a staff of the chief of Artillery of 6-th Army.
The matter is that the commander of 6-th Army general Pauljus has chosen village Nizhne-Chirskaj as item for accommodation of the staff for the winter. Here all has been prepared for crossing staff Paulus. Crossing did not take place owing to the beginning of Russian approach. However all communication lines, including communication lines with a staff of group of armies "B", worked normally. The staff of the chief of artillery already for a long time has moved to this place.
In village Nizhne-Chirskaj there was a main reserve of group " Adam ", number 3000 person.

The aggregate number of forces of units of group Adam which operated in a corner formed òå÷åíèìå of the rivers Don and Chir, is constant was supported at a level of 10 thousand person. This number does not join group acted the friend (east) bank Don.



As already it has been told earlier, since December, 10th, 1942 group " Adam " began to be called group " Gablients ".
Later there is some time (no more than two weeks) this group was headed by colonel Abraham and it has received the new name group " Àáðàõàì "
At last this group has received the name 384 ID, and its commander became general-major Hans Dyorr who after war will receive popularity as the author of work « the Campaign on Stalingrad. The operative review ».



All data on structure of group " Adam " are taken from a file of a prospecting department of a staff of 5-th tank army for November-December, 1942.
(CAMD RF fund 331 Inventory 5041 File 24)
Units of group Adam which were on left (east) bank Don here were not looked
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* - it is not known to me how to translate from Russian on English terms "marscheviy battalion " and "marschevaj company".

** - captured Germans named this battalion and as 4-th spare battalion 295 ID

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Yuri



P.S.

From documents which have been found out in interior brought down to the north Perelazovskiy transport self-summer, it has been established, that in area of bottom watercourse Chir the staff 94 ID is thrown. This of a staff should create apparently a new division with number 94 of fighting group Shtumpfeld about which will is told in a following post.


Yuri

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P. P.S.

All documents my own archival finds are quoted by me on this branch are.


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Post by Michi » 22 Jun 2006, 11:17

Dear Yuri,

sorry to say, BUT you are beginning to dance on my nerves, and killing my brain. :x

I asked you to put in also the original article in its original language.
It doesn't matter if the original language is German or Russian.

Your English translations are leading into wrong directions.
They are full of errors like wrong names, wrong locations .... 8O
Therefore, there is not a real context in your English articles.


:D I ask you once more to bring in also the original article in its original language.


If you need help in translating from German into English, I guess there are some here who will do so.
(At least I am one of them)


MfG Michi

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Post by Yuri » 22 Jun 2006, 12:25

Michi wrote:Dear Yuri,

sorry to say, BUT you are beginning to dance on my nerves, and killing my brain. :x

I asked you to put in also the original article in its original language.
It doesn't matter if the original language is German or Russian.

Your English translations are leading into wrong directions.
They are full of errors like wrong names, wrong locations .... 8O
Therefore, there is not a real context in your English articles.


:D I ask you once more to bring in also the original article in its original language.


If you need help in translating from German into English, I guess there are some here who will do so.
(At least I am one of them)


MfG Michi
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Íó, òóò âîçíèêàåò îäíà ïðîáëåìà.
Åùå â ñàìîé ïåðâîé ñâîåé ïîïûòêå ïîÿâëåíèÿ íà ýòîì ôîðóìå, ÿ òàê è õîòåë ïîñòóïèòü, êàê Âû ìíå óæå âòîðè÷íî çäåñü ðåêîìåíäóåòå.
Òî åñòü, ÿ ïîïûòàëñÿ, áûëî, íàïå÷àòàòü òåêñò ìîèõ äîêóìåíòîâ íà ÿçûêå îðèãèíàëà, èíûìè ñëîâàìè, ïî-ðóññêè. Îäíàêî áåäå â òîì, ÷òî â ýòî ñëó÷àå âìåñòî áóêâ òåêñòà íà ýêðàíå êîìïüþòåðà íàáëþäàåòñÿ îäíà ñïëîøíàÿ àáðàêàäàáðà. Êèðèëëè÷íûé øðèôò, ê ìîåìó âåëèêîìó ñîæàëåíèþ, íà ýòîé «òàìîæíå» íå åñòü æåëàííûé ãîñòü.
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Åñëè æå îí, âäðóã, ñëó÷àéíî ïðîéäåò â íîðìàëüíîì ðåæèìå, òî ÿ íàïå÷àòàþ òåêñò äîêóìåíòà, î êîòîðîì ãîâîðèë âûøå, ïî-ðóññêè è óêàæó Âàì, â ÷¸ì òà ñóòü äåëà.

Ñ óâàæåíèåì,
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Post by Michi » 22 Jun 2006, 21:35

Hello Yuri,

O.K. Allright! It's your Point! :lol:


I have seen your problem!!!

I regret deeply to make my suggestion!! :oops:
I will try to ask someone, if the russian script (cyrillic) can be used.


MfG Michi

PS:
But sometimes the cyrillic script works.
e.g.:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 3&start=15
in Russian: Михаи́л Серге́евич Горбачёв
in German: Michail Sergejewitsch Gorbatschow
in English: Mikhail Sergevich Gorbachev

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Post by Yuri » 24 Jun 2006, 00:00

Gr «SCHTUMPFELD»

This group occupied a site of front on western bank the rivers Chir: on a line of settlements - (Lisinskiy, Sulackiy, Sviridovskiy).
On December, 2nd, 1942 Russian (1120 and 1116 RR 333 RD and 44 MSBr 1 TK) have grasped on western bank jumping-off place.
After that Gr «SCHTUMPFELD» occupied a strip of front on a site: height 161 - settlement Lisinskiy.
However, it is necessary to mean, that settlement Lisinskiy and point MTF (to north-west the Lisinskiy) entered into a strip of Gr " ADAM ".
Here there passed right border Gr «SCHTUMPFELD» (accordingly, left border Gr “ADAM”).

Basis Gr «SCHTUMPFELD» have made:
A/.
Field educational schools:
- Field school for preparation of officers of infantry for divisions of 6-th army;
- Field school of preparation of corporals of infantry for divisions of 6-th army;
- School of preparation of experts for divisions of 6-th army (such as, for example, signalmen);
The note: gunners and tankmen have been directed in KG "SELLE".

Prior to the beginning of Russian approach "Uranium" these educational structures were placed in settlements which settled down in area of bottom watercourse Chir and further to the south: Tormosin, Suvorivskaj, Verchne-Solonovskiy, Verchne-Aksenovskiy.
Of these field educational structures has been made regiment.
Regiment occupied defense in a strip between settlements Savinskiy and Sulackiy (these are 12-13 km to the south from Surovikino).
On December, 2 - 3nd Russian attacked this site. Educational regiment has lost height 161 and has left at height of 161 many bodies of German officers.

B/.
3-rd heavy regiment of air defence (it is possible, that this unit was included into battles structure of 9-th antiaircraft division)
It was necessary to cover area of bottom current ×èð strong antiaircraft fire. It was required because army bases of 6-th army here were placed: arms, the PP, the foodstuffs, combat material, an ammunition and so forth. In the same area settled down a various sort workshops (artillery, tank, automobile and so forth).

C/.
Modular battalions which have been generated here, on a place. The principle of formation of such battalions can be understood on an example of 1-st chemical group " Zella " (from city where the center of chemical armies Wermacht settled down).
1-st chemical group " Zella " went in Stalingrad to 51-st chemical regiment.
On November, 23rd, 1942 the echelon in which the advanced subgroup of 1-st group " Zella " followed, has been detained in Surovikino. From an echelon of all have unloaded and are distributed on battalions. One of such a battalion in quantity 300 person (in that, number 60 the person from 1-st chemical group " Zella ") has occupied defense on the left flank educational regiment Gr «SCHTUMPFELD».
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Then in Gr «SCHTUMPFELD» were added:

- 63-rd motor-battalion: the battles structure seven company (on 130 person everyone of a company), an aggregate number of battalions more than 1000 person, has arrived from the city of Kharkov on cars.

- 94-th ersatz-battalion: the battalion had four company, the platoon consists: 25 Germans and 15 Poles. Has arrived on December, 1st, 1942. Has occupied defense in area of height 161.

- 3-rd battalion 274 IR 94 ID*. The Aggregate number of this battalion 300 person. The battalion acted right flank Gr «SCHTUMPFELD» (near settlement Lisinsky).

- 2-nd battalion 169 ID **. The battalion is completed by German soldiers of personnel service in quantity 600-700 person. Arms: 27 light machine guns, 18 heavy machine guns, 9 mortars of 80 mm and 2 guns of air defence.

- From Morozovskaj modular battalions at which was not names numberings acted many.

* - Russian knew, that 94 ID is in Stalingrad. And it is not absolutely clear, whence this unit has appeared outside Stalingrad's a boiler. However, it became known, that officers the staff 94 ID (the same as officers of a staff 384 ID) is thrown from Stalingrad by planes on bottom Chir with a task: - again to generate 94 ID.
Base for formation new 94 ID should become Gr «SCHTUMPFELD».

** - Actually such there was a numbering at this battalion, or it was disinformation of German command, it is a theme of separate conversation. At present it not an essence important. Russian knew, that these divisions operates far from this area. It is possible to add, that captured German soldiers from 2 battalions 169 ID have been assured (according to the officers), that the staff 169 ID already, ostensibly, has arrived in Chernyschkovskiy (to the west Mjrjzovskaaj).


As follow from documents of a column of supply 525 battalion (about it there was a speech in the previous posts) by December, 2nd, 1942 Gr «SCHTUMPFELD» had in the structure more than 8.0 thousand men.

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Loss from Gr «SCHTUMPFELD»:

On December, 7th Russian have attacked a staff infantry a regiment 336 ID and have grasped documents. In particular, the order of the commander 336 ID (general-lieutenant Lucht) has been grasped No 042 from December, 6th, 1942. From order No 042 follows, that on December, 6th 3-rd heavy regiment of air defence and artillery group of structure KG " SELLE " have passed to submission 336 ID.

On December, 7th and 8, 1942 on the river Chir (in area of state farm « Red Star » or state farm 79) there was a large counter battle.
In this battle 7 LFD and Gr «SCHTUMPFELD» heavy losses have had.
After that battles Gr «SCHTUMPFELD» as large force has ceased to exist. In her were that remains from KG “WEIKE” which as had heavy losses is included. Gr «SCHTUMPFELD» it began to be used, mainly, as the tank for completion of losses 336 ID and as her reserve.
New 94 ID on her base it has not been created.

About weight of losses which had 7 LFD a division and Gr «SCHTUMPFELD» during fight on December, 7th and 8 it is possible to see from this document.
(CAMD RF f. 331, i. 5041, f. 24, p. 169)

Captured, grasped in area height 161 has shown:
belongs 4 company 1 battalion 7 LFD;
7 LFD it was formed in the city of Milau /Poland/-from September, 26th till November, 26th 1942;
Has arrived from station Morozovskaj on December, 6th on motor vehicles;
From a course has been engaged 12/7/1942 to action in area the height 161.
This division is generated under the scheme of other infantry divisions, completed exclusively from pilots-parachuters. However they have not had training preparation as infantry.
In the city of Milau except for 7 LFD were formed still similar type of a division: 8-th, 9-th and 10-th LFD.
These divisions have gone, possibly, on other sites of front.
7 LFD consists of six separate battalions. By December, 7th has arrived only three battalions. Other battalions were on the approach. The battalion consists from four company, number a company 150-200 person everyone. Arms:
a/1-st huntsman company: 4-5 heavy machine guns, 4-5 light machine guns, 5-6 automatic devices, 150 carbines.
b/ Arms of 2-nd and 3-rd company - are similar to arms of 1-st company.
c/ 4-th company - heavy company: is armed with 5 machine guns, 5 mortars, 2 AT calibre of 20 mm.
Task of a division: together with other parts to reject Russian on a starting position and to hold defense. However with this task of unit have not consulted because of weak arms and bad preparation. They have been disseminated and almost are entirely destroyed.
All companys have had heavy losses. In 4-th company there was no more than 35 person. The same position in other companys.
The commander company captain OTTENGERR.
The commander of a battalion captain MILLER-GEBUR (ÌÈËËÅÐ-ÃÅÁÞÐ).
ÏÏÑ Ë 50338-Å. (L 50338-E)
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About KG “SELLE” in the following of times.

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Post by Yuri » 24 Jun 2006, 20:43

Hi, Jan
Endzeit Jan wrote:Hi
Stumpfeld-Division:

http://www.diedeutschewehrmacht.de/Div% ... mpfeld.htm

Jan
Mein Herr!
Gliederung der Division von Stumpfeld: Stand 12.12.1942
Inf.Reg.Schmid: Inf.Btl.Schöne, Kamenberg, Lindner, Eisenhacker, Korherr
Inf.Reg.Stelle: Inf.Btl.Engert, von Caddnebruck
Inf.Btl.Charkov II
T.Flak-Div.9
Aufkl.Kp.Abendrot
Nachtrag:
in Stalingrad vernichtet
Woher es: «in Stalingrad vernichtet»?
Es auffallend!
Zum großen Bedauern ist es die Wahrheit nicht.
Leider, Gr «SCHTUMPFELD», KG«SCHMIDT», KG «SELLE» und KG «WEIKE» (der Untersuchungsführer der Ober-Leutnant Aberdrot und seiner 1./301 Pz. Bat.) in Stalungrad niemals.
Der Inhalt dieser Seite Ihrer Web-Seite verzerrt die Wirklichkeit, die im November und den Dezember 1942 vorhanden war.

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Post by Yuri » 27 Jun 2006, 11:27

Battle group " Selle "

Battle group " Selle " - the commander colonel Selle.
Colonel Selle was the chief of engineering service 6 A. In submission of colonel Selle there were various bases, repair shops (artillery, motor vehicles, tanks), parks and technical services.
Therefore in group of the colonel the artillery group and tank group (group of self-propelled guns) has been created. For this purpose guns have been used and tanks which were were on repair in workshops.
As members of gun service and members of crews of tanks there were cadets whom it was trained here at schools on corresponding specialities.
Besides in KG " Selle " some units from Stalingrad which it has appeared outside a boiler have got. For example, 1 company a motor-rifle battalion 16 PzD (to establish under documents of archive number a regiment to which posessed this of a company, yet it was not possible). This company had good arms and 16 armoured cars.
When Russian have destroyed the first tanks from structure of group "Selle" members of these tanks have appeared soldiers of 376 tank-fighter groups. Apparently, it became the reason of that Russian some time called tank group of group "Selle" as 376 TIO (tankovo-istrebitelniy otrjad).
In structure of group operated:
4-th company 134 spare battalion;
1-st company 80-th sapper a battalion;
3-rd company a modular battalion from Ñòàëèíî (where there were others companys this battalion, under documents it is not visible);
It is necessary to note and such interesting fact - as infantry 168-th mobile workshop was used even.
Number of infantry in group " Selle " made 1000 person.
The quantity of tanks reached 35 pieces. And, most likely, in group of colonel Selle was four trophy tanks - Russian heavy tanks KV.
As it was marked earlier, according to the order of the commander 336 ID general Lucht behind number 042 from December, 6th, 1942, the artillery group from KG " Selle " was betraid in submission 336 ID.
After heavy fights all fighting groups have been merged in one group, and colonel Selle has taken off in the end of December in Stalingrad.
At the moment of association of all fighting groups in one, the most numerous among them was group " Schmidt ". Probably, for this reason Russian called all these groups one name, namely, group " Schmidt ".
But, as it is visible today, actually after merge the group has received the name «Schtumpfeld», on a surname of that commander which had above a military rank.
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Post by Yuri » 28 Jun 2006, 23:57

The task of battles groups was in stopping approach of Russian armies to the north from a line of the railway: Oblivskaja - Surovikino - Rychkovskij - the railway bridge through the river Don.
However this task to execute it was not possible.

On November, 23rd, 1942 in area of bottom watercourse Chir the Russian 1 tank corps the general-major V. V. Butkov has approached.

By an outcome of this day 44 MRBr this corps (at support of tanks 89 and 117 TBr) has seized station Chir (settlement Novomaksimovskij). The line of the railway has been interrupted by that.

Here and this day the document which I have shown earlier has been grasped.

It seems to me, that who will be interesting to look was the opponent of battles groups which operated in area of the bottom watercourse Chir.

That is battles groups: «SHMIDT», «WEIKE», «SELLE», «SHTUMPFELD» and «ADAM»

These groups were protected with front (from the West on the East): Nizhnjaja Kalinovka, Surovikino, Bol'shaja Osinovka, Burackij, station Chir (Novomaksimovskij), Rychkovskij (Rychkov).

The width of a strip of front makes of 50 km on a straight line.
If to consider breaks of a front line the width achieves 60 km.

Below the operative report of a staff 1 ÒÊ about results of actions for November, 23rd, 1942 is given.

The operative report has been directed to a staff of 5th Tank Army.
The fact of capture of station Chir is marked in item 6 of the report.

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OoB 1 TK:
89, 117 and 159 TBr (tank brigade)
44 MRBr (motor-rifle brigade)
308 SGMD (separate guard mortar divisional/battalion)
10 SRB (separate recon battalion)
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OoB TBr: 2 TB (tank battalion), 1 MRMGB (Motor-Rifle Mashine Gun Batallion)
OoB MSBr: 4 MRB (motor-rifle battalion)
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CAMD RF
f. 331, i. 5041, f. 24, s. 39



Operative report No 0190 by 11.00 24.11.42 the Staff 1TK

1.) The opponent, aspiring to reserve the railway and ferries through the river Don, shows persistent resistance on a boundary: Surovikino, Staromaksimovskij, Verhne-Chirskij.

2.) Units 1TK within night have occupied a starting position. From 07.00 24.11.42 continue the further approach in southern and southeast directions.
The purpose - an output on a boundary of the river Don and mastering by ferries through the river Don in area Verhne-Chirskij, the railway bridge through the river Don (1,5 km to the north Logovskij).

3.) 89 TBr together with one MRB from structure 44 MSBr, coming in direction Staromaksimovskij, Erickij, Verhne-Chirskij by 10.00 there was on a boundary a mark 36.8, a mark 37.7.
With one Company MSPB in 18.00 23.11.42 has occupied Pjatiizbjanskij.
Ready to fight: tanks T-34=3, Ò-60=10;
Active bayonets of =135 men.
Stocks: an ammunition - 1 unit of fire, the PETROLEUM PRODUCTS - 1 refuelling, the foodstuffs of 4 daily portions.
Losses are not present
Trophies for 23.11.42 / on incomplete data/:
Motor vehicles cargo - 70; motor vehicles automobile - 3; motorcycles - 30; boats of pontoon lungs - 30; boats motor - 50; warehouses with various property - 2.
It is destroyed:
Up to 30 person the soldier of the opponent;
It is taken in a captivity - 15 soldier.

4.) 117 TBr together with one MRB from structure 44 MRBr, coming in direction Burackij, station Chir, Rychkovskij by 10.00 there was on a boundary of a mark 44.0 / 1,5 km to the north of station Chir/, a mark 36.8.
Ready to fight: tanks T-34 =6, T-70 =3,
Active bayonets of =211 men
It is recalled: tanks T-34 =12.
Stocks: the Ammunition - 1 unit of fire, the PETROLEUM PRODUCTS-1 refuelling, the foodstuffs of 3 daily portions.
Losses of an equipment: It Is is shot down Ò-70 =1; Motor vehicles =2.
Losses of staff and the damage, rendered to the opponent, are not counted up yet.

5.) 159 TBr - sentry groups has intercepted roads to area of 2 km ñåâåðî-to the west heights 184.5, on northern and western surburbs Popov of 1-st, at height 156.1.
Ready to fight: T-34 =5, T-70 = 5, BA-64 =2,
Active bayonets = 185 men.
Stocks: an ammunition-1,25 a unit of fire, the PETROLEUM PRODUCTS-1 refuelling, the foodstuffs-3 daily allowances of portions.

6.) 44 MRBr - comes in a southern direction together with 89 TBr and 117 TBr.
By an outcome 23.11.42 years have been borrowed{occupied} by divisions of a brigade settlements Bol'shaja Osinovka and railway station Chir.
Losses for 23.11.42:
It is killed-11 men, it is wounded-9 men.
Trophies:
Motor vehicles - 200; instruments - 20; 1 echelon with ëîøàäüìè is grasped; 4 platforms with planes.
It is destroyed: 105 officers and up to 200 soldier of the opponent.
It is brought down: 3 planes of the opponent.

7.) 307 SGMD - comes together with 117 TBr.
Stocks: an ammunition of 6 volleys; fuel - 0.7 refuellings; the foodstuffs - is not present / 6 daily portions are in a way/
During fights there are losses of an equipment - one installation Ì-8 was undermined on a mine /is restored/; two installations demand major overhaul.
It is is shot down transport cars-2 / at bombardment/
It is killed -1 men, it is wounded-4 men.
For the period of operation it is destroyed: a warehouse with military property-1; cargo motor vehicles-8; a supply with a cargo - 7; mortars with a maid - 2; and up to 200 men of infantry of the opponent.

8.) 10 SRB - has settled down in area Zraninskij.
Conducts investigation in direction Kalach, Novomaksimovskij, ZHirkov.
Ready to fight: armored troop-carriers - 16, BA-64 = 10.
For the period of operation has losses:
It is killed-1 men; it is wounded-4 men.
It is destroyed - 18 soldier of the opponent;
It is taken captured - 4 officers.

9.) The aircraft of the opponent within day continuously bombed and fired at fighting orders of our parts from low-level flight.

10.) Weather cloudy, roads are passable.

11.) Connection with a staff 5 TA - radio / with faults/, officers of connection;
With neighbours - radio, officers of connection;
With units - radio, phone, officers of connection.

12.) At the left - 26 TK has borrowed{occupied} city Kalach.

The chief of a staff 1 ÒÊ
The colonel / Harchevnikov/
The chief of an operations section 1 TK
The captain / Chumakov/


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Till November, 28th (that is, the whole six day) 1 ÒÊ was here in such structure one.
Only after November, 28th in this area infantry divisions and a cavalry the corps began to be tightened c the different sides:
119 RD, 333 RD, 4 GRD, 258 RD and 3 GCC

The direction, time and the order of arrival of these divisions and cav. corps in area of bottom watercourse Chir can be seen on this map./excuse a map Russian/
http://www.livinghistory.ru//index.php? ... st&id=3530

When profits fresh forces the staff of 5-th tank army has made the plan of approach for capture of area to the south of the river Chir.
The plan of this Russian offensive operation can be seen on this map
/excuse, a map ðóññêàÿ/
http://www.livinghistory.ru//index.php? ... st&id=3532

Russian did not know that here have approached German divisions.
Russian thought, that here is only fighting groups an aggregate number about 18-20 thousand men.
The aggregate number of Russian forces in 119 RD, 333 RD, 4 GRD 258 RD, 3 GCC 1 TK was
33 704 men.
From them on jumping-off place was no more than 18.0 thousand men.


However by December, 6th here have approached 336 ID, 7 LFD, 11 Pz. D.
These divisions and as all battles groups were a part 48 Pz. K
Besides units 9 LFD which have been smeared on different areas here have been thrown.
From its part the chief of a staff 48 PzÊ von Mellentin has developed the offensive operation.
The plan of approach which has developed von Mellentin, it is possible to see on this map/excuse, a map Russian/. The plan is made under documents, which Russian have grasped in a staff 336 ID. As also other documents grasped at the opponent here were used.

http://www.livinghistory.ru//index.php? ... st&id=3514


Unfortunately for Germans, attack of German infantry has coincided on time with the moment of opening of fire of Russian artillery for preparation of attack of Russian tanks and infantry.
The matter is that for artillery preparation of attack to jumping-off place of profit two Guards mortar a shelf 35 GMR and 75 GMR (Stalin orgell). Fire of Russian "Katjusha" swept attacking lines of Germans.
On it misfortunes for Germans have not ended.
On the trouble von Mellentin and the commander 11 PzD general Balk have incorrectly chosen positions for units 11 PzD.
The German generals have not considered, that ravine (balka)Kalinovskaja is not passable for tanks. This ravine has length of 6 km.
As a result, within the whole day of fight on December, 7th the division of general Balk was in not games.
General Balk could not rescue infantrymen 7LFD and Gr. «SHTUMPFELD» which were lost under tracks of Russian tanks.
Tanks 11 PzD were on the western side of ravine (balka) Kalinovskaja, and the German infantry was on east side.
Speed of movement of German tanks on a snow was low. Therefore they have appeared on a battlefield only nearby 12.30.
However, was already too late.

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Yuri


P. S.

Itself I can not confirm, but I was spoken by quite competent people, that the commander 11 PzD general Balk has received, ostensibly, for successes on bottom Chir Oak Leaves to RK.
The truth it?
Who can answer.
And in this connection such question.
For what offence and what responsibility the general German Wermacht had?
Whether it is possible to find the information on it?

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P. P. S.
Maps (which links here are specified) I have stopped to carry out all on April, 13th, 2001. It is result of long-term work with archival documents.
On maps there are all settlements and features of district (ravines, heights, structures and other) which even time are mentioned in any of documents (both Russian and German).
The map is executed on the basis of a staff map 333 RD.
The staff 333 Rd has made a map on December, 7th, 1942.
Scale of this map of M 1 : 100 000 (1 sm - 1 km)
Heading of a map such:
" The plan of interaction of units 333 RD on attack 7.12.42"
On a map marks on a course of fight were done.
Last mark is executed at 15.30 7.12.42.
On a map there is a personal signature of the chief of a staff 333 RD lieutenant colonel Suschko.
On a map the approving signature of the commander 333 RD colonel Zherebin is closed up

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Post by Yuri » 29 Jun 2006, 08:08

Presence in the ranks of German infantry big quantities of officers has caused among German the soldier various hearings.
In particular, German soldiers considered, that German officers were punished by Adolf Hitler.
Between German soldiers the hearing has extended, that, ostensibly, here, in area of bottom watercourse Chir, there has arrived Adolf Hitler.
Hitler, ostensibly, personally shoots German officers that have handed over station Chir where was very much greater stocks of fuel and other materials.
Here is how, that in this occasion has told KOLJARCHIK AL'FRED TOMASHOV - the corporal of the staff battery 336 AR.
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The Central Archive of the Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation
F 331, I. 5041, F. 24, S. 205

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The report
Captured KOLJARCHIK AL'FRED TOMASHOV
Surrendered in a captivity in area SULACKIJ 7.12.42 /between SUROVIKINO and LISINSKIJ/
The corporal of the staff battery 336 ID

Was born in 1914 in m. GOSCHICA of city OPAVA / Czechoslovakia/. In army it is called in January, 1942
Captured shows, that 336 ID has arrived in May, 1942 from France in ÊHAR'KOV. There conducted fights with units of Red Army. From ÊHAR'KOV it have thrown in ROSSOSH ", and through some time in OSTROGORSK.
In OSTROGORSK the division was from August, 20th till November, 20th, 1942
In OSTROGORSK the division replenished with the Dutch and French people.

6.12.42 the division has come on this site of front to area of state farm " Red star ".
336 ÏÄ consists from 685, 686, 687 IR and 336 AR.
The commander of a division general LUCHT.

336 AR consists of 11 artillery batteries and 4 staff batteries.
1 and 2 batteries make 1 artillery battalion.
3 and 4 batteries make 2 artillery battalion.
5 and 6 make 3 artillery battalion.
These batteries have of 4 howitzers on 105 mm of calibre.
9, 10 and 11 batteries make 4 heavy artillery battalion. On arms of this battalion 150 mm of a howitzer on 4 in each battery consist.
7 and 8 artillery batteries consist from 8 c six trunk mortars / a jet gun/
In 4 battalion there were 11 howitzers/1 a howitzer itself âçîðâàëîñü/.

In infantry regiments 336 ID on 3 battalions on four companys in everyone, and as 13 and 14 companys of the heavy weapon. In everyone a companys is available from 75 up to 120 person. On arms infantry a companys of a rifle and on 6 machine guns.
In machine-gun companys /4, 8, 12/is available on 6 machine guns and 7 mortars.
In 13 and 14 companys on arms on 4 anti-tank guns and heavy mortars.
In area of state farm " Red dawn " profits 686, 685 IR and 2, 3, 4 artillery battalions and 7, 8 artillery batteries 336 AR.
685 IR and 1 artillery battalion 336 AR have remained in OSTROGORSK. Them Italian units soon should replace.
After arrival in OSTROGORSK the Italian units, the artillery battalion which has remained there and 385 IR will arrive here, on the same site of front.
3336 ID has arrived with a task: to come and reject Russian.

Captured saw in this area of 2 heavy and 5 average German tanks.
In southwest from MOROZOVSKAJA the big air station on which is based up to 300 planes of different types is located. At northeast surburb MOROZOVSKAJA the big petrol warehouse.
State farm " Red star " is protected with 4 antiaircraft guns{downs}.
The staff 336 ID is located NIZHNE-SOLONOVSKIJ.

Captured heard from officers and the soldier, that 7 days ago in NIZHNE-SOLONOVSKIJ was HITLER.
Now it is on this front.
2-3 days ago HITLER, somewhere here has shot some officers that have handed over station CHIR, and there on 4 billion marks of products.

Lieutenant /YURCHUK/
8.12.42

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About why in the ranks of infantry there were many officers, it has been told earlier.
For those who has not read through, I shall repeat.
It were cadets field officer and corporals of schools.
These schools settled down in settlements of bottom watercourse Chir.

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Post by Yuri » 07 Jul 2006, 17:37

At night to December, 7th for December, 8th, 1942 on site Gr. «Adam» there was very interesting episode. It seems to me, that this episode deserves that about him to tell some words separately.
As is known, battle group of colonel Adam operated in a corner formed with current of rivers Don and Chir.
This battle group kept the railway bridge through the river Don.
During too time Russian 8ã ÑÏ (8 Guard Rifle Regiment) has grasped here a small site to the railway on a site between the bridge and settlement Rychkovsky (station Rychkov).
It can be seen in the right bottom corner of a map:

http://www.livinghistory.ru//index.php? ... st&id=3531

The German soldier has come to night in the morning on December, 8th on this site to Russian. This German soldier has been wounded. When Russian have asked the German soldier: « Whence he? », the German soldier has answered: « From Stalingrad ».
Russian soldiers badly understood in German and have solved, that is probable from staligrads a boiler whole German unit was pulled has escaped. They have put the German soldier in the car and have taken away in a staff of 5-th Tank Army for interrogation. In a prospecting department of a staff of 5-th tank army of the German soldier have interrogated.
Here that he has told:

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The central archive of the Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation
Fund 331 Inventory 5041 File 24 Sheet 183


The report of interrogation

Prisoner of war TOEIBEL (ÒÎÉÁÅËÜ)
Corporal 7 company 2 battalions 522 IR 297 ID
It is grasped on December, 8th 1942 in area of the river Don

Has shown:

1). TOEIBEL FRANZ (ÒÎÉÁÅËÜ ÔÐÀÍÖ), 28 years, corporal, the German / the Austrian/

2). Belongs 7 company 2 battalions 522 IR 197 ID 6 armies.

3). Into structure of a division enter 522, 523, 524 IR and 297 AR.

4). On November, 9th, 1942 the division was in 6-7 km to a southwest from STALINGRAD.

5). Before fights in company 170-180 men were totaled. After fights / to a southeast from KALACH and to a southwest from STALINGRAD/ in company remains up to 40 men.

6). Now a division in an ring under STALINGRAD. Therefrom by planes take out wounded, mainly critically wounded patients; people with easy wounds leave on a place.
In air station GUMRAK was about 700 critically wounded patients.

7). I am wounded on November, 9th, 1942 in a head. Was in an infirmary in city KALACH till November, 22nd, 1942 Then has been delivered to air station for sending in rear hospital. On December, 7th, 1942 together with 8 other critically wounded patients has taken off in the plane on KHARKOV. After two hour flights our plane has been has been shot down. It has landed in 30 km from river DON / the name of a place does not know/. We have gone on plain and have failed on an ice in river DON. I was dark also do not know, where the others disappeared. When I have got out of water more nobody has found. Has gone along a line of the railway.
At a dawn has surrendered in a captivity in any small village near to river DON. Me have put in the car and have brought here.

8). The soldier and officers heard conversations, that to break through a ring reserve personnel German units from the south and from the West should approach. However, what units should approach, was not spoken.

9). The commander company - senior lieutenant KEGLER [a surname of the commander company ïðî÷èñòü it is difficult: probably ÊÅÃËÅÐ or ÊÀËÅÐ? Or ÊÈËÅÐ? - my note Yuri]
The Commander of a battalion - major METER (ÌÅÒÅÐ)
The commander a shelf - colonel DEITISCH (ÄÅÉÒÈØ)
The commander of a division - general-lieutenant PFEFFER (ÏÔÅÔÔÅÐ)

The military translator
The quartermaster 3 ranks /Revenko/

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The plane on which flied Toeibel Franz and its comrades, have been brought down near to settlement Samodurovka which is located on right (western) bank the rivers Don between the railway bridge and city KALACH. / approximately, 7 km to the north from the bridge/.

Moving on the river Don, Toeibel Franz went in a direction from the north on the south and has reached the railway.
It means, that he has left on district which was supervised with German armies.
From his story follows, that he has gone along a railroad tracks on the West. To get to Russian, he should go about four kilometers on district which was supervised with German armies.

Interestingly and that TOEIBEL FRANZ from city KALACH on air station in GUMRAK has been taken away on November, 22nd. In fact already on November, 23rd this city has been grasped by Russian.
If TOEIBEL FRANZ has remained in KALACH he was taken prisoner already on November, 23rd and he should not take place those tests which have fallen to his destiny.

As I cannot well translate the text of the report of interrogation from Russian on English I publish this text in Russian. Probably, somebody can provide correct translation.


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Çäåñü ðóññêèé òåêñò îïðîñà âîåííîïëåííîãî ÒÎÉÁÅËß ÔÐÀÍÖÀ
Öåíòðàëüíûé àðõèâ Ìèíèñòåðñòâà Îáîðîíû ÐÔ
Ôîíä 331 Îïèñü 5041 Äåëî 24 Ëèñò 183

Ïðîòîêîë îïðîñà
Âîåííîïëåííûé ÒÎÉÁÅËÜ
Óíòåð-îôèöåð 7 ðîòû 2 á-íà 522 ÏÏ 297 ÏÄ
Çàõâà÷åí 8.12.42 â ðàéîíå ð. ÄÎÍ

Ïîêàçàë:
1) ÒÎÉÁÅËÜ ÔÐÀÍÖ, 28 ëåò, óíòåð-îôèöåð, íåìåö /àâñòðèåö/

2) Ïðèíàäëåæèò 7 ðîòå 2 á-íà 522 ÏÏ 197 ÏÄ 6 àðìèè.

3) Â ñîñòàâ äèâèçèè âõîäÿò 522, 523, 524 ÏÏ è 297 ÀÏ.

4) 9.11.42 ã. äèâèçèÿ íàõîäèëàñü â 6-7 êì. þãî-çàï. ÑÒÀËÈÍÃÐÀÄÀ.

5) Äî áîåâ â ðîòå íàñ÷èòûâàëîñü 170-180 ÷åë. Ïîñëå áîåâ /þãî-âîñò. ÊÀËÀ× è þãî-çàï. ÑÒÀËÈÍÃÐÀÄ/ â ðîòå îñòàëîñü äî 40 ÷åë.

6) Òåïåðü äèâèçèÿ â îêðóæåíèè ïîä ÑÒÀËÈÍÃÐÀÄÎÌ. Îòòóäà íà ñàìîëåòàõ âûâîçÿò ðàíåííûõ, ãëàâíûì îáðàçîì òÿæåëîðàíåíûõ; ëþäåé ñ ëåãêèìè ðàíåíèÿìè îñòàâëÿþò íà ìåñòå.
Íà àýðîäðîìå ÃÓÌÐÀÊ áûëî îêîëî 700 òÿæåëîðàíåíûõ.

7) ß ðàíåí 9.11.42 ã. â ãîëîâó, áûë â ëàçàðåòå â ã. ÊÀËÀ× äî 22.11.42 ã. Ïîòîì áûë äîñòàâëåí íà àýðîäðîì äëÿ îòïðàâêè â òûëîâîé ãîñïèòàëü. 7.12.42 ã. âìåñòå ñ 8 äðóãèìè òÿæåëîðàíåíûìè âûëåòåë â ñàìîëåòå íà ÕÀÐÜÊÎÂ; ïîñëå äâóõ ÷àñîâîãî ïîëåòà ñàìîëåò áûë ïîäáèò è ïðèçåìëèëñÿ â 30 êì. îò ÄÎÍÀ /íàçâàíèå ìåñòà íå çíàåò/. Øëè ïî ðàâíèíå è ïðîâàëèëèñü íà ëüäó â ð. ÄÎÍ. Áûëî òåìíî è ÿ íå çíàþ, ãäå äåâàëèñü îñòàëüíûå; êîãäà ÿ âûáðàëñÿ èç âîäû áîëüøå íèêîãî íå íàøåë. Ïîøåë âäîëü ëèíèè æ.ä. [æåëåçíîé äîðîãè]
Íà ðàññâåòå ñäàëñÿ â ïëåí â êàêîé-òî ìàëåíüêîé äåðåâóøêå íåäàëåêî îò ÄÎÍÀ. Âåçëè ìåíÿ íà ìàøèíå è äîñòàâèëè ñþäà.

8) Ñëûøàë ðàçãîâîðû ñîëäàò è îôèöåðîâ, ÷òî, äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû ïðîðâàòü îêðóæåíèå äîëæíû ïîäîéòè ðåçåðâíûå êàäðîâûå íåìåöêèå ÷àñòè ñ þãà è ñ çàïàäà, íî êàêèå íå ãîâîðèëîñü.

9) Êîìàíäèð ðîòû – ñòàðøèé ëåéòåíàíò ÊÅÃËÅÐ (èëè ÊÀËÅÐ?, èëè ÊÈËÅÐ?)
Êîìàíäèð áàòàëüîíà - ìàéîð ÌÅÒÅÐ
Êîìàíäèð ïîëêà - ïîëêîâíèê ÄÅÉÒÈØ
Êîìàíäèð äèâèçèè - ãåíåðàë-ëåéòåíàíò ÏÔÅÔÔÅÐ

Âîåííûé ïåðåâîä÷èê
èíòåíäàíò 3 ðàíãà /Ðåâåíêî/
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P. S.

This document my find in archive.
Earlier it was not published anywhere

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Post by Yuri » 09 Jul 2006, 12:32

At the moment I prepare additional data on battle group Stachel. Except for that I prepare data on 354 IR 213 ID (colonel – von Rekovsky), 129 GR 22 Pz. D, 1 MD/rom/and 7 CavD/rom / which operated in area of average watercourse Chir.
On it is necessary two - four days.

Now I could show documents on battles groups, which in other place and during other time, namely, summer of 1944 in Baltic.
Probably, documents will be interesting to someone. These documents have been published «Russian archive» vol. 24 – 13 (3) in 2002.

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Battle Group «GISEKE» or battles groups «Schwertschljager» and «Held» (It is in Russian written so – Øâåðòøëÿãåð, Õåëüä è Ãèçåêå)


IVI MO Russian Federation. Documents and materials.
Fund 254, Inventory 504, File 9, Sheet 217-219. The original.
From an information report of 7-th department of Main thing PU RKKA # 200

On August, 19th, 1944.


The deserter about position in Baltic and conversation between two generals
(1-st Baltic front).

Ober-Lieutenant Gans-Otto Schnelle from battle group "Giseke" was aide-de-camp of the chief of police in Baltic («OSTLAND») which staff settled down in Riga. He has shown:
«On July, 22nd has come Hitler's order in all cases to keep Baltic. All establishments and police have been immediately subordinated to military command. From police parts was Baltic there were created battle groups «Schwertschljager» and «Held» which have been given to the order of the commandant of city BAUSK general-lieutenant Kneffel.

On July, 26th both these groups and other police parts have been incorporated under command of the chief of police of the order general-major Giseke - in battle group " Giseke ", which aggregate number - 1400 person.

On July, 27th I have read through the confidential order, signed general-ëåéòåíåíàòîì Kneffel. In the order it was spoken that Hitler has declared{announced} the city of BAUSK a fortress which should keep by all means, even in case of a full environment it was necessary, as it was specified, to hold on 10 more days. This confidential order intended only for the commander of battle group.

On July, 27th Kneffel has been replaced also by the commandant of "fortress" BAUSK general-lieutenant Frankovittser has been appointed.

On July, 28th there was a conversation between general-lieutenant Frankovittser and general-major Giseke, which fragments to me it was possible to overhear. They condemned the plan of defense BAUSK. Toward the end conversations Frankovittser has told: « Both of us are doomed to destruction ». Giseke has answered: « I do not understand, what for it is necessary for Hitler. In fact Baltic all is equally irrevocably lost ». After long silence Giseke has asked: « Really there is no exit?». On what Frankovittser has answered: «All ways conduct to one - to destruction. Hitler already many generals has shot that they left the garrisons in similar position».

Having read through Kneffel’s order, Schnelle has understood, that Bausk's garrison is doomed to destruction and consequently has decided to desert and whenever possible to surrender in a captivity. Having changed clothes in a civil dress, he has reached a German line of defense. He has pretended not knowing German language. The German soldier who has called him, having checked up documents and having selected all fine personal things, has has let off him.

To the first got Red Army men he on August, 2nd has surrendered in a captivity.
After preliminary interrogation regarding captured he seemed, that him are going to shoot, and he has opened with a shaving edge to itself a vein on a hand.

The chief of 7-th department of Main thing PU RKKA
The colonel M. BURZEV
The chief of 3-rd branch of 7-th department of Main thing PU RKKA
The lieutenant colonel K. SILEZNEV
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The initial text in Russian
Probably someone will wish to execute qualitative translation
Èíôîðìàöèîííàÿ ñâîäêà 7-ãî îòäåëà Ãëàâíîãî ÏÓ ÐÊÊÀ # 200

19 àâãóñòà 1944 ãîäà.

Ïåðåáåæ÷èê î ïîëîæåíèå â Ïðèáàëòèêå è ðàçãîâîðå ìåæäó äâóìÿ ãåíåðàëàìè
(1-é Ïðèáàëòèéñêèé ôðîíò).

Îáåð-ëåéòåíåíàò Ãàñí-Îòòî Øíåëëå èç áîåâîé ãðóïïû «Ãèçåêå» áûë àäúþòàíòîì íà÷àëüíèêà ïîëèöèè â Ïðèáàëòèêå («ÎÑÒËÀÍÄ»), øòàá êîòîðîãî ðàñïîëàãàëñÿ â Ðèãå. Îí ïîêàçàë:
«22 èþëÿ ïðèø¸ë ïðèêàç Ãèòëåðà âî âñåõ ñëó÷àÿõ óäåðæàòü Ïðèáàëòèêó. Âñå ó÷ðåæäåíèÿ è ïîëèöèÿ áûëè íåìåäëåííî ïîä÷èíåíû âîåííîìó êîìàíäîâàíèþ. Èç íàõîäèâøèõñÿ â Ïðèáàëòèêå ïîëèöåéñêèõ ÷àñòåé áûëè ñîçäàííûå áîåâûå ãðóïïû «Øâåðòøëéãåð» è «Õåëüä», êîòîðûå áûëè îòäàíû â ðàñïîðÿæåíèå êîìåíäàíòà ã. Áàóñê ãåíåðàë-ëåéòåíàíòà Êíåôôåëÿ.

26 èþëÿ îáå ýòè ãðóïïû è äðóãèå ïîëèöåéñêèå ÷àñòè áûëè îáúåäèíåíû ïîä êîìàíäîâàíèåì íà÷àëüíèêà ïîëèöèè ïîðÿäêà ãåíåðàë-ìàéîðà Ãèçåêå – â áîåâóþ ãðóïïó «Ãèçåêå», îáùàÿ ÷èñëåííîñòü êîòîðîé – 1400 ÷åëîâåê.

27 èþëÿ ÿ ïðî÷èòàë ñåêðåòíûé ïðèêàç, ïîäïèñàííûé ãåíåðàë-ëåéòåíàíòîì Êíåôôåëåì.  ïðèêàçå ãîâîðèëîñü, ÷òî Ãèòëåð îáúÿâèë ãîðîä Áàóñê êðåïîñòüþ, êîòîðàÿ äîëæíà äåðæàòüñÿ âî ÷òî áû òî íè ñòàëî, äàæå â ñëó÷àå ïîëíîãî îêðóæåíèÿ íóæíî áûëî, êàê óêàçûâàëîñü, ïðîäåðæàòüñÿ åù¸ 10 äíåé. Ýòîò ñåêðåòíûé ïðèêàç ïðåäíàçíà÷àëñÿ òîëüêî äëÿ êîìàíäèðà áîåâîé ãðóïïû.

27 æå èþëÿ Êíåôôåëü áûë ñìåíåí è êîìåíäàíòîì «êðåïîñòè» Áàóñê áûë íàçíà÷åí ãåíåðàë-ëåéòåíàíò Ôðàíêîâèòöåð.
28 èþëÿ ïðîèçîø¸ë ðàçãîâîð ìåæäó ãåíåðàë-ëåéòåíàíòîì Ôðàíêîâèòöåðîì è ãåíåðàë-ìàéîðîì Ãèçåêå, îòðûâêè êîòîðîãî ìíå óäàëîñü ïîäñëóøàòü. Îíè îñóæäàëè ïëàí îáîðîíû Áàóñêà. Ïîä êîíåö áåñåäû Ôðàíêîâèòöåð ñêàçàë: «Ìû îáà îáðå÷åíû íà ãèáåëü». Ãèçåêå îòâåòèë: «Íå ïîíèìàþ, çà÷åì Ãèòëåðó ýòî íóæíî. Âåäü Ïðèáàëòèêà âñ¸ ðàâíî áåçâîçâðàòíî ïîòåðÿíà». Ïîñëå äëèòåëüíîãî ìîë÷àíèÿ Ãèçåêå ñïðîñèë: «Íåóæåëè íåò âûõîäà?». Íà ÷òî Ôðàíêîâèòöåð îòâåòèë: «Âñå ïóòè âåäóò ê îäíîìó – ê ãèáåëè. Ãèòëåð óæå ìíîãèõ ãåíåðàëîâ ðàññòðåëÿë çà òî, ÷òî îíè îñòàâëÿëè ñâîè ãàðíèçîíû â ïîäîáíîì ïîëîæåíèè».

Ïðî÷èòàâ ïðèêàç Êíåôôåëÿ, Øíåëëå ïîíÿë, ÷òî ãàðíèçîí Áàóñêà îáðå÷¸í íà ãèáåëü, è ïîòîìó ðåøèë äåçåðòèðîâàòü è ïî âîçìîæíîñòè ñäàòüñÿ â ïëåí. Ïåðåîäåâøèñü â ãðàæäàíñêîå ïëàòüå, îí äîø¸ë äî íåìåöêîé ëèíèè îáîðîíû. Îí ïðèòâîðèëñÿ íå çíàþùèì íåìåöêîãî ÿçûêà. Îêëèêíóâøèé åãî íåìåöêèé ñîëäàò, ïðîâåðèâ äîêóìåíòû è îòîáðàâ âñå ìåëêèå ëè÷íûå âåùè, îòïóñòèë åãî.

Ïåðâûì ïîïàâøèìñÿ êðàñíîàðìåéöàì îí 2 àâãóñòà ñäàëñÿ â ïëåí.
Ïîñëå ïðåäâàðèòåëüíîãî äîïðîñà â ÷àñòè ïëåííîìó ïîêàçàëîñü, ÷òî åãî ñîáèðàþòñÿ ðàññòðåëÿòü, è îí áðèòâåííûì ëåçâèåì âñêðûë ñåáå âåíó íà ðóêå.

Íà÷àëüíèê 7-ãî îòäåëà ÃëàâÏÓ ÐÊÊÀ
Ïîëêîâíèê Ì. ÁÓÐÖÅÂ
Íà÷àëüíèê 3-ãî îòäåëåíèÿ 7-ãî îòäåëà ÃëàâÏÓ ÐÊÊÀ
ïîäïîëêîâíèê Ê. ÑÈËÅÇͨÂ
udachi / Good luck!

Yuri
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Battle group «KNEBEL» or regiment «KNEBEL» (It is in Russian written so – Êíåáåëü)

IVI MO the Russian Federation. Documents and materials.
Fund 254, Inventory 504, File 9, Sheet 238-240. The original.
Information report of 7-th department of Main thing PU RKKA # 207

On August, 27th, 1944.

The German lieutenant colonel shoots receding the soldier
(3-rd Belarus front)

Deserter Reimond Meyer, the soldier of 4-th company regiment «KNEBEL», on August, 7th has shown:
«On August, 6th I witnessed a following case: under fire of Russian our infantry has a little departed. Lieutenant colonel Knebel tried with the automatic device in hands to stop receding. At one corporal run, not looking at a hail, back, he has selected the soldier's book, and then has shot him. It has not detained the others, and Knebel has rushed to the elderly soldier to whom was years 50. That has shown him the wounded hand. Despite of it, Knebel has shot down also him. In some minutes because of road where the receded infantrymen were covered, two shots were distributed. Knebel has fallen and has not risen any more ».

The chief of 7-th department of Main thing PU RKKA
colonel M. BURZEV
The chief of 3-rd branch of 7-th department of Main thing PU RKKA
lieutenant colonel K. SILEZNEV
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The initial text in Russian
Probably someone will wish to execute qualitative translation
Èíôîðìàöèîííàÿ ñâîäêà 7-ãî îòäåëà Ãëàâ ÏÓ ÐÊÊÀ ¹ 207

27 àâãóñòà 1944 ãîäà.

Íåìåöêèé ïîäïîëêîâíèê ðàññòðåëèâàåò îòñòóïàþùèõ ñîëäàò
(3-é Áåëîðóññêèé ôðîíò)

Ïåðåáåæ÷èê Ðàéìîíä Ìåéåð, ñîëäàò 4-é ðîòû ïîëêà «Êíåáåëÿ», 7 àâãóñòà ïîêàçàë:
«6 àâãóñòà ÿ áûë ñâèäåòåëåì ñëåäóþùåãî ñëó÷àÿ: ïîä îãí¸ì ðóññêèõ íàøà ïåõîòà íåñêîëüêî îòîøëà. Ïîäïîëêîâíèê Êíåáåëü ïûòàëñÿ ñ àâòîìàòîì â ðóêàõ îñòàíîâèòü îòñòóïàþùèõ. Ó îäíîãî åôðåéòîðà, áåæàâøåãî, íå âçèðàÿ íà îêðèê, íàçàä, îí îòîáðàë ñîëäàòñêóþ êíèæêó, à çàòåì çàñòðåëèë åãî. Îñòàëüíûõ ýòî íå çàäåðæàëî, è Êíåáåëü áðîñèëñÿ ê ïîæèëîìó ñîëäàòó, êîòîðîìó áûëî ëåò 50. Òîò ïîêàçàë åìó ðàíåíóþ ðóêó. Íåñìîòðÿ íà ýòî, Êíåáåëü ïðèñòðåëèë è åãî. ×åðåç íåñêîëüêî ìèíóò èç-çà äîðîãè, ãäå óêðûëèñü îòñòóïèâøèå ïåõîòèíöû, ðàçäàëèñü äâà âûñòðåëà. Êíåáåëü óïàë è áîëüøå íå ïîäíÿëñÿ».


The chief of 7-th department of Main thing PU RKKA
colonel M. BURZEV
The chief of 3-rd branch of 7-th department of Main thing PU RKKA
lieutenant colonel K. SILEZNEV
udachi / Good luck!

Yuri

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