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Hitler's special train

Postby Warren Thompson on 12 Jan 2004 21:08

I'm looking for photos, plans, and other information on the Führer Sonderzug
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Postby waffen on 13 Jan 2004 08:08

:D now that should be interesting come on members lets roll :idea:
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Hitler's Train

Postby Reich on 15 Jan 2004 02:28

Best of Luck. I have been trying to find this Myself, especially in concern of the Fuhrer's other Train, nicknamed "Amerika" . All I know for certain is that the Train(s) was pulled by a DeutschesBahn K5E series Kriegslokomotiv. Photos of these are common to find. One modelmaking company in Europe makes the K5E, for about $450 US.
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Hitler's Train

Postby Reich on 15 Jan 2004 02:48

Best of Luck. I have been trying to find this Myself, especially in concern of the Fuhrer's other Train, nicknamed "Amerika" . All I know for certain is that the Train(s) was pulled by a DeutschesBahn K5E series Kriegslokomotiv. Photos of these are common to find. One modelmaking company in Europe makes the K5E, for about $450 US.
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Re: Hitler's Train

Postby AvD on 15 Jan 2004 03:17

Reich wrote:pulled by a DeutschesBahn K5E series Kriegslokomotiv. Photos of these are common to find.


But I was not lucky with Google :cry: . Shouldn't it be Reichsbahn? Anyway, "DeutschesBahn" is not correct in German: it is in two words and no "s" in the middle!
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Postby Ando on 15 Jan 2004 13:45

How Strong was the armor on these trains? Could Hitlers Compartment survive a straffing attack etc? I would have thought it would have been very risky for Hitler to use the rail network but I dont remember reading anything about a plan to attack it.
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Postby 1812 on 16 Jan 2004 03:36

I have tried many times looking for these pictures. Without success. I would also like to see any pictures anyone could come up with.
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Hitler's 'Special Train'

Postby Warren Thompson on 16 Jan 2004 14:38

I have a book, buried somewhere in the morass that is my study, about Hitler's security people (Begleitkommando), headed by an SS officer named Rattenhuber. It has a couple of photos of the train/s, but no real details. It does say that the train/s had two special flak cars and, as I recall, a locomotive at each end.

I don't think the train/s were armored, at least not in the sense of a military armored train.
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Hitler's 'Special'Train'

Postby Warren Thompson on 16 Jan 2004 15:00

Also buried in my study is a back issue of Trains magazine featuring an article on Hitler's plans for a special broad-gauge (something like a massive eight-feet instead of the standard four feet, eight and one-half inches) railroad network linking all of conquered/occupied Europe, including a direct line to Moscow and the East.

Perhaps some day I'll be able to dig out the magazine and post additional details. Don't hold your collective breath, however. :roll:
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Postby bonzen on 16 Jan 2004 16:20

Two versions of the Fuhrersonderzug existed before the war. One for peacetime travel and one for State of War. All coaches were constructed of welded steel, most weighing over 60 tons. The peacetime train was usually composed of a locomotive, baggage and power-engine car, Fuhrer's Pullman(No. 10206), conference car, escort car, dining car, two sleeping cars for guests and entourage, Pullman coach, personnel car, press chief's car, baggage and power-engine car.
The Fuhrerhauptquartier, code named "Amerika" was put into service in August 1939. It consisted of a locomotive(later two), armored antiaircraft car with 2-cm guns and a 26 man crew, baggage and power-engine car, Fuhrer's Pullman (No. 10206 in which his Chief Wehrmacht Adjutant, his chief Personal Adjutant and a valet were also quartered), conference car with communications center including several teletype machines, escort car for 22 SS-Begliet-Kommando and RSD men, dining car, two sleeping cars for entourage and guests, bath car, dining car, two cars for personnel(secretaries, cooks etc), Press chiefs car with communications center including a 700 watt short wave transmitter, baggage and power-engine car, anti-aircraft car.

from Hitler's personal security by peter hoffman
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Hitlers Train

Postby algy on 16 Jan 2004 16:26

This is an oral history interview with Mr. Kurt Heilbronn. The interviewer is Mack Teasley of the Eisenhower Library.
There are a few comments on Hitlers train.
http://www.ibiblio.org/lia/president/Ei ... _Kurt.html

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Postby algy on 16 Jan 2004 17:47

here is a site with pictures, http://www.eksplorator.os.pl/1.htm
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Postby Warren Thompson on 16 Jan 2004 18:29

algy:

Thanks for the site. Unforunately, except for a few obscenities learned at my grandmother's knee, my Polish is non-existent. Kindly tell me which item to click on -- otherwise I might have to post those obscenities here. :D
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Postby Xavier on 16 Jan 2004 18:37

from this very forum: most complete thread on "erika" (or "amerika" as someone suggested..

viewtopic.php?t=16905&highlight=erika

including pictures, and links to other sites with pictures

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Hitlers Train

Postby algy on 01 Feb 2004 11:28

Here you can see pictures of the train
http://www.eksplorator.os.pl/77a.htm


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