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#136

Post by beaviso » 08 Jun 2004, 22:34

Norway - you are cold, you are damn expensive - but you're worth it - you're worth moving to, Norway! :)

I've seen 9-10 W-R socles so far - and not a single piece of radar was left. Even 6 mounting bolts are quite a rarity. Everything was scrapped after the war, while Poland was being rebuilt from the war ashes. And if not, surely someone stole it and sold for a few pennies...

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Post by Erik E » 08 Jun 2004, 23:55

Norway - you are cold, you are damn expensive - but you're worth it - you're worth moving to, Norway!
So much true in so few words :D

Up next is the "Stellung Tanne" at the island Tarva. I could write a whole essay about the difficulties getting out there, but I`ll stop with these photos. L 485 for Wasserman, totally covered with stones! (Doubt this camouflage worked) as well as a WR socle with some remaining parts.
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#138

Post by stril » 09 Jun 2004, 00:19

Hello Erik.
Its good to se you back, very nice pictures.
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#139

Post by beaviso » 09 Jun 2004, 01:32

L485 for Wassermann? Is it sure?

Cammo - how to camouflage a Was/Mammut antenna, that's the question, isn't it? ;)

Regarding "cammo" subject - I attach one photo of a WR socle.
Pls take note of the strange concrete layer added overall a standard socle. It is shaped in a "fish-skin" pattern. Very strange to me. What was the purpose of such layer? I presume the only one could be some "Artwork contest - The most beautiful WR socle in Luftnachrichtentruppen" ;) I've already seen a black WR-socle (covered with tar), which is reasonable, but a "fish-skin"...?

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#140

Post by stril » 09 Jun 2004, 16:30

Hello.
Im a bit curious about that place with the "Zerstörer-säule", is it in the area of Adm.Nordküste/Westküste ?
Found two ref. to "neue Gerät-Zerstörersäule Gema-Anlage", is it worth trying to find some info ?
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Post by Erik E » 14 Jun 2004, 23:41

L485 for Wassermann? Is it sure?
No!! Not at all! :D I meant Mammut!
Too much concrete can make you blind.........
is it in the area of Adm.Nordküste/Westküste ?
Does Bud ring a bell??

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Post by stril » 15 Jun 2004, 17:00

Hello Erik.
Yes, the name Bud made my day, or to be precise, the bells rang.
Bud, Fu.Mo.(seetakt), In dienst gestellt 31.07.44.
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Radarsites in Holland

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Post by AvB » 20 Jun 2004, 01:24

Well, I didn't know there was an active conversation about radarstations here. I'm gonna contribute with some pics from Holland, almost all radarsite here remain but are mostly under sand. Recently a L 480 at Schiermonnikoog (Schlei) has been excavated. It's a museum now but I haven't seen it yet. The site on the island of Terschelling (Tiger) has been covered with sand some years ago. You can still found some roofs of the bunkers built there. The Zander Stellung at Zandvoort is covered too but 'people' have visited the bunkers. The best preserved site can be found at Voorne although some of the paitings on the walls have been cut out. Here you'll find a Wasserman Stellung with a standard layout. L 480 in the middle, protected by a FlaZug (2 x L 409A, 1 x L 410, 1 x L 413) and a bunker for personnel 622. Attached are some pictures.

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L 480 at Schiermonnikoog. Copyright unknown.

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622 in the complex on Voorne.

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Number of one of the L 409As

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Bereitschaftsraum of the L 410 with a drawing of the cathedral and bridge at Köln, unfortunately this drawing has been severaly damaged by some people.

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Number and designation of the L 480 "Wassermann"

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Shaft of the radar.

More pictures at http://bunkersite.com -> Locations -> Zuid-Holland -> Voorne

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Post by kstdk » 20 Jun 2004, 14:18

Hello AvB

See- now we are getting somewhere. Nice to see an "active" person from Holland in this section.

Interesting details, specially the pictures from inside with the "Wall paintings" - hope to hear more from you in this tread in the future.

What became of the radarsite at Rozenburg, anything left there ??

I ( and my family ) is right at the moment in the planning fase of a holliday in Holland, as we have family in Den Helder !!!

Any good ideas of places to see ???

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Post by SES » 20 Jun 2004, 14:33

Agree with Kurt very nice shots, keep them comming. The numbers in the L 480 and the 622 are the bunker numbers. If you have a Baufortschrittsplan you will find, that your site is listed on Blatt 10. All bunkers in a site/Stellung/Stp. have a 5 diget number in yours they are starting with 10. The next figure is the number of the group of bunkers and the last 2 are the individual bunkernumber.
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WL, command relationship.

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Post by SES » 20 Jun 2004, 17:16

I have added a new page which describes the command relationship between JD, NJRF, radarstations and flying units.
http://www.gyges.dk/organizational%20relationship.htm
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Post by kstdk » 20 Jun 2004, 18:03

Hello SES

I must say - thats most certainly a "break-through" - is´nt it !!!!

Impressive, that explains a lot - i mean for me it does !!

Congratulations.

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Post by AvB » 20 Jun 2004, 19:53

kstdk wrote: What became of the radarsite at Rozenburg, anything left there ??
I don't know exactly which radarsite you're talking about. However the "Biberstellung" lays next to the Wassermann Stellung I posted about earlier. They got the B from Brielle which is a small town near Rozenburg. There weren't any major radarsites at Rozenburg.
Unfortunately all bunkers on the southside of the Nieuwe Waterweg are either demolished or covered with meters of sand. The best part of the Atlantikwall in Holland was here. The (impressive) Kernwerk of Festung Hoek van Holland, 2 10.5cm full St Flak batteries, 2 heavy batteries (M.K.B. Brandenburg (2 x 24cm) and M.K.B. Rozenburg (3 x 28cm)) and loads of smaller Stp and Wn. It's all gone..
kstdk wrote: I ( and my family ) is right at the moment in the planning fase of a holliday in Holland, as we have family in Den Helder !!!

Any good ideas of places to see ???
See our website. Noord-Holland -> Den Helder.
Be sure to check out the two M 219s of which one is open at Julianadorp (Batterie Zanddijk). Some parts of the Landfront remain and the full St Flak batterie at Dirksz Admiral is, although a bit dirty, great to see.

If you want I'll scan some maps and make a list.

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Post by SES » 20 Jun 2004, 19:59

kstdk wrote:Hello SES

I must say - thats most certainly a "break-through" - is´nt it !!!!

Impressive, that explains a lot - i mean for me it does !!

Congratulations.

Regards
Kurt
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Thank you.
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#150

Post by beaviso » 31 Jul 2004, 02:30

Mystery building near W-R socle. What was its purpose?

Specification:
- length: 6.85 m
- width: 5.35 m
- wall: 50 cm, bricks
- ceiling: 25 cm, concrete
- windows
- 1 gate: 2.10 m high, 2.15 m wide

Gateway invisible in the attached photos. Visible destruction of wall performed by local peasants.

Thank you for any suggestions.
brgds, M
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