What international law was violated by the killing of Admiral Yamamoto?Also, another interesting violation of international law by the western allies is this at pacific theater
The assassination of Admiral Isoruku Yamamoto at Rabaul, 1943..The Americans knew earlier from "Magic" which flight was Yamamoto was in but decided to launch an ambush against the prohibition of Hague Convention and Geneva Convention.
Was the Killing of Admiral Yamamoto a war crime?
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Admiral Yamamoto was a military leader as well as if i'm not mistaken a had some political positions on the Tojo military government,
the americans knew the Yammoto will be going where according to the Magic decrypts yet still launch and ambush on the admiral's bomber..
so wouldn't this makes it a premeditated attack on a military leader?
the americans knew the Yammoto will be going where according to the Magic decrypts yet still launch and ambush on the admiral's bomber..
so wouldn't this makes it a premeditated attack on a military leader?
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If i'm not mistaken, it would be either Hague or Geneva convention..
Ian Colvin's Hitler Secret Enemy (Pan Books 1958) mentioned that the Abwehr under Wilhelm Canaris wrote a memorandum FORBIDDING THE ASSASSINATION OF MILITARY AND GOVERNMENT LEADERS UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW. The MI6 had micro-films on it and the originals were kept at Washington.
But he didn't mentioned at specific international law
By the way, Abwehr's memorandum was not always followed by the Germans especially SD and Gestapo who also planned assassination attempts on military and government leaders of Britain and France
Ian Colvin's Hitler Secret Enemy (Pan Books 1958) mentioned that the Abwehr under Wilhelm Canaris wrote a memorandum FORBIDDING THE ASSASSINATION OF MILITARY AND GOVERNMENT LEADERS UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW. The MI6 had micro-films on it and the originals were kept at Washington.
But he didn't mentioned at specific international law
By the way, Abwehr's memorandum was not always followed by the Germans especially SD and Gestapo who also planned assassination attempts on military and government leaders of Britain and France
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Panzermahn -- You said the killing was:
To say a person or a country committed a "violation of international law," don't you think it is necessary to answer the question, "what international law was it?"
You thought that the killing of Admiral Yamamoto violated either the Hague Convention, the Geneva Convention, or both. The texts of those conventions can be found at:
Hague II - Laws and Customs of War on Land: 29 July 1899
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/lawofwar/hague02.htm
Hague IV - Laws and Customs of War on Land: 18 October 1907
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/lawofwar/hague04.htm
Convention Between the United States of America and Other Powers, Relating to Prisoners of War; July 27, 1929
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/lawofwar/geneva02.htm
The text of these treaties seemed very dry to me -- about like a quart of sawdust -- when I forced myself to read them for the first time, but they were also very informative.
another interesting violation of international law by the western allies
To say a person or a country committed a "violation of international law," don't you think it is necessary to answer the question, "what international law was it?"
You thought that the killing of Admiral Yamamoto violated either the Hague Convention, the Geneva Convention, or both. The texts of those conventions can be found at:
Hague II - Laws and Customs of War on Land: 29 July 1899
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/lawofwar/hague02.htm
Hague IV - Laws and Customs of War on Land: 18 October 1907
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/lawofwar/hague04.htm
Convention Between the United States of America and Other Powers, Relating to Prisoners of War; July 27, 1929
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/lawofwar/geneva02.htm
The text of these treaties seemed very dry to me -- about like a quart of sawdust -- when I forced myself to read them for the first time, but they were also very informative.
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From a moral point of view. Admiral Yamamoto was a soldier and thus killing him in time of war was an act of war. I don't recall anyone saying that the killing of General Polk in the American Civil War was an assassination, even though the artillery crew that killed him knew full well who he was, while the killing of Lincoln, clearly a civilian, was deplored by the whole of the civilised world.
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The Army Air Corp knew in advance of Yamamoto's flight and it was debated by the American commanders whether this ambush would be a violation of international law..From a moral point of view. Admiral Yamamoto was a soldier and thus killing him in time of war was an act of war. I don't recall anyone saying that the killing of General Polk in the American Civil War was an assassination, even though the artillery crew that killed him knew full well who he was, while the killing of Lincoln, clearly a civilian, was deplored by the whole of the civilised world
As i said again, Yamamoto also had political position in the Japanese cabinet and not just an Admiral only
I've been trying all day to remember where I read it (perhaps Bergemoni sp?) but there is a school of thought that states that the Japanese offered him up to the US as an appeasement, hoping for a de-escallation of the war. There were evidently some things that make people wonder if our cryptographers were offered a sitting duck.
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Shooting of a soldier, regardless of rank, in warfare, is the purpose of warfare itself, unless the sides agree to Erich Maria Remarque's idea and replace wars with public sports events in which the political leaders of the respective countries would compete, like gladiators (not a bad idea after all).
From both a legal and a moral point of view it seems fair.
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From both a legal and a moral point of view it seems fair.
When the British SAS were "brilliant" and German SS were "maniacs" for the same deed, it hardly seems a balanced view.varjag wrote:If Commandoes or Rangers had taken out Hitler - it would have been brilliant, no warcrime.....nor if SS-maniacs had eliminated Churchill in 1940...there would've been no 2nd WW to debate.
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Screw Yamamoto, he should have worn a parachute while onboard.panzermahn wrote:
The Army Air Corp knew in advance of Yamamoto's flight and it was debated by the American commanders whether this ambush would be a violation of international law..
As i said again, Yamamoto also had political position in the Japanese cabinet and not just an Admiral only
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No laws were violated at all , he was a uniform soldier inside a war-plane, part of a formation of war-planes not flying any sort of parley flag, or on a peace/parley mission or over neutral territory. The attack was carried out by American war-planes that were plainly marked as our planes over/in a recognized war-zone,David Thompson wrote:Panzermahn -- In another thread, you said:What international law was violated by the killing of Admiral Yamamoto?Also, another interesting violation of international law by the western allies is this at pacific theater
The assassination of Admiral Isoruku Yamamoto at Rabaul, 1943..The Americans knew earlier from "Magic" which flight was Yamamoto was in but decided to launch an ambush against the prohibition of Hague Convention and Geneva Convention.
Laws against assassination of enemy leaders might apply if spies or units not wearing uniforms or not displaying flag of a belligerent were used, or shooting while under a parley or neutral flag.
I.E, using planes with Japanese insignias or sniping him on the ground with an undercover or illegally unifomed spy would have been a war-crime.
Yamato's death was a pure act of war , no different from shelling a head-quarters or shooting any enemy officer in battle by a uniformed belligerent.
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