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IN THE PAST, UNDENIABLE "TRUTH"...AND NOW?

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Post by Victor´s Justice? » 09 Jul 2002, 23:44

Polônia não indicia ninguém por massacre de 1941

Bialystok, Polônia - Os promotores poloneses afirmaram não terem sido capazes de reunir provas suficientes para fazer novas acusações sobre o massacre, em 1941, de centenas de judeus por seus vizinhos, mesmo que o relatório final sobre uma investigação de 20 meses tenha confirmado que foram os poloneses, e não os invasores nazistas, que perpetraram a matança.

Estima-se que até 1.600 judeus tenham sido espancados até a morte ou queimados vivos num estábulo no vilarejo de Jedwabne, 190 quilômetros ao nordeste da capital polonesa, Varsóvia, no dia 10 de julho de 1941.

Durante décadas, os crimes foram atribuídos às tropas nazistas.

Mas o promotor Radoslaw Ignatiew disse que as provas, incluindo os ossos e as balas, ao lado dos relatórios apresentados pelas testemunhas, não deixavam dúvidas de que "os moradores poloneses de Jedwabne e imediações, pelo menos 40 homens", cometeram os crimes.
Ignatiew liderou as investigações em nome do órgão governamental Instituto da Memória Nacional. As investigações tiveram início em setembro de 2000.

Mesmo assim, Ignatiew afirmou que o Instituto - que tem a tarefa de investigar e processar os perpetradores de crimes das eras nazista e comunista - não iria fazer nenhuma acusação formal. Ele observou que 12 pessoas foram acusadas por um tribunal comunista em 1949, por terem ajudado os alemães a praticar os assassinatos, embora esses julgamentos tenham sido criticados como apressados.

My translation from the Portuguese language:

Poland doesn´t indict anyone for the 1941 massacre

Bialystok, Poland - The polish district attorneys asserted they were not able to gather enough evidence to make new accusations about the massacre, in 1941, of hundreds of Jews by their neighbors, even though the final report about a 20-month investigation confirmed that the polish, and not the Nazi invaders, perpetrate the slaughter.

It is estimated that as much as 1600 Jews have been spanked to death or burned alive in a stable located in the village of Jedwabne, 190km northeast of the polish capital, Warsaw, in the 10th of July, 1941. For decades, these crimes have been attributed to Nazi troops.

But district attorney Radoslaw Ignatiew said that the evidences, including bones and bullets, along with the witness-presented reports, didn´t leave doubts that the polish dwellers of Jedwabne and nearby towns, at least 40 people, committed the crimes.

Ignatiew conducted the investigations in name of the governmental organization Institute of National Memory. Investigations begun in September 2000.

Even so, Ignatiew affirmed that the Institute, whose main task is to investigate and prosecute all crime perpetrators in Nazi and Communist eras, would not do any formal accusation. He observed that 12 people were accused by a Communist Court in 1949, for supposedly helping Germans into committing such murders, although these trials have been criticized as rushed ones.

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Post by Piotr Kapuscinski » 13 Sep 2008, 15:36

a 20-month investigation

It is estimated that as much as 1600 Jews
The same investigation established, that the village Jedwabne in 1940 was inhabited by 562 Jews.

And during the exhumation in 2001, around 340 bodies were found.

There is only one source for the previous number of victims - so 1600 - after-war monument, which claimed that:

"Miejsce kaźni ludności żydowskiej. Gestapo i żandarmeria hitlerowska spaliła żywcem 1600 osób 10.VII.1941."

Which means:

"Place of a massacre of Jewish people. 1600 Jews were burned alive here on 10.07.1941 by Gestapo and Hitler's military police."

This monument was removed on 15th of March 2001.


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Post by Rob - wssob2 » 13 Sep 2008, 21:52

It is estimated that as much as 1600 Jews have been spanked to death
Please tell me that's a typo... :roll:

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Post by Richie B » 13 Sep 2008, 22:30

Rob - wssob2 wrote:
It is estimated that as much as 1600 Jews have been spanked to death
Please tell me that's a typo... :roll:
The perils of online translation perhaps - could also mean beaten I suspect.

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Post by David Thompson » 13 Sep 2008, 22:57

The translation from the Portugese newspaper article certainly comes off strange (the original post is 6 years old). I ran the sentence through the Babelfish machine translator a couple of minutes ago, and
Estima-se que até 1.600 judeus tenham sido espancados até a morte ou queimados vivos num estábulo no vilarejo de Jedwabne, 190 quilômetros ao nordeste da capital polonesa, Varsóvia, no dia 10 de julho de 1941.
comes out as:
One esteem that up to 1.600 Jews they have been spanked until the death or burnt livings creature in a stable in vilarejo of Jedwabne, 190 kilometers to the northeast of the Polish capital, Warsaw, in day 10 of July of 1941.
From our several Jedwabne threads I see that "beaten to death" is the more accurate translation of "espancados", and this is probably just a linguistic quirk. The newspaper report is straightforward in its other particulars.

For more information and links, see:

Crimes by certain Jews against Poles at Jedwabne, 1940
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=74763

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