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653 sPzJagAbt - BergePanther with Flak and with Pz.IV tur

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653 sPzJagAbt - BergePanther with Flak and with Pz.IV tur

Postby Mairo on 15 Apr 2004 10:43

Hi,
I know that those vehicles were build but I`m looking for more information (and photos). If any one have somethig about...... :)
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Postby MadderCat on 15 Apr 2004 17:57

look here:
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for the Panther with 2cmFlakVierling 38,
there is only one FAKE picture in the net,
nobody confirmed a Panther with Flakvierling 38
only a drawing of a Panther with 4 MG151/20 in seperate mountings exists


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Postby nacho on 17 Apr 2004 12:40

I don't know if it's this what you are looking for.
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Postby MadderCat on 17 Apr 2004 13:34

this is a Bergepanther with a 20mm gun for selfdefense, not a flak tank


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Postby nox on 17 Apr 2004 18:11

no picture for flak38/bergepanther D
just my little fake
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According to the caption on p.167 of Karl-Heinz Münch's big "653" Album, they apparently got 2 turretless D model Panthers as recovery vehicles during the mid 1943 Kursk battles (they were for pushing and pulling only, not having a winch or spade like the regular Bergepanther).
They later appear in Spring 1944 (I'm assuming the same two) - one with a Panzer IV turret, the other with a quad 20mm Flak mounted above its turret ring.
On p.381 theres another shot of the second Panther D and the caption states that "The maintenance company mounted a 20mm quadruple anti-aircraft gun on this vehicle in June 1944."
In the text on the same page the mix of these oddball vehicles (ie. these 2 Panthers, 1 VK.45.01, 1 T-34 with a quad 20mm, and 2 turretless T-34 ammo carriers), are mentioned as being the work of 653's master armourer - Stabsfeldwebel Anton Brunnthaler around May/June 1944 with permission from the CO; Major Gillenberger.
Sadly there s no shot of it in this format
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Postby tom! on 14 May 2004 18:10

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Postby bryson109 on 14 May 2004 18:17

Wow, great pic, thanks for sharing.
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Postby nox on 22 Jun 2004 21:48

653 sPzJagAbt - BergePanther with Flak
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