The Guilt of Adolf Eichmann

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The Guilt of Adolf Eichmann

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Post by GFM2000 » 20 Jul 2002, 04:53

Hello all,

I would like to gather some opinion from Forum members on SS officer Adolf Eichmann. This is the man who, under direct orders from Himmler and Heydrich, organised the forced emigration of Jews in Germany, and the eventual deportation of the Jews to the gas chambers. In his trial in Jerusalem, he admitted he was merely a pawn, within the Nazi hierarchy. In my own opinion, he certainly has a point - Eichmann was a "mere" Obersturmbannfuhrer" during the deportations ; he never did rise to generalship. I recalled in the documentary "The Specialist", Eichmann protested that he was a soldier, who had to obey orders. During his trial, he continued to argue that this virtue of blind obedience is placed above all in Nazi Germany, and (supposedly) even more so during wartime.

How guilty does that make him? Does this make him a "Monster"?

Secondly, I would also like to discuss one point in Eichmann's last words. He suggested that he "tried to leave his position, to leave for the front, for honest battle". Is this statement true? Is that any documented evidence to support his statement?

Finally, Eichmann also asked for forgiveness. Is this an admission of his personal guilt? Or is it possible that he has only said those words under duress, where deep down, he still believes in placing the guilt on the leaders of the Reich?

Thanks, and hope to see your opinions.
Adolf Eichmann wrote: I have heard the Court's severe verdict of guilty. I see myself disappointed in my hopes for justice. I cannot recognize the verdict of guilty. I understand the demand for atonement for the crimes which were perpetrated against the Jews. The witnesses' statements here in the Court made my limbs go numb once again, just as they went numb when once, acting on orders, I had to look at the atrocities. It was my misfortune to become entangled in these atrocities. But these misdeeds did not happen according to my wishes. It was not my wish to slay people. The guilt for the mass murder is solely that of the political leaders.

I did try to leave my position, to leave for the front, for honest battle. But I was held fast in those dark duties. Once again I would stress that I am guilty of having been obedient, having subordinated myself to my official duties and the obligations of war service and my oath of allegiance and my oath of office, and in addition, once the war started, there was also martial law.

This obedience was not easy. And again, anyone who has to give orders and has to obey orders knows what one can demand of people. I did not persecute Jews with avidity and passion. That is what the government did. Nor could the persecution be carried out other than by a government. But I never... I accuse the leaders of abusing my obedience. At that time obedience was demanded, just as in the future it will also be demanded of the subordinate. Obedience is commended as a virtue.
May I therefore ask that consideration be given to the fact that I obeyed, and not whom I obeyed.

I have already said that the top echelons, to which I did not belong, gave the orders, and they rightly, in my opinion, deserved punishment for the atrocities which were perpetrated on the victims on their orders. But the subordinates are now also victims. I am one of such victims. This cannot be ignored. It is said that I could and should have refused to be obedient. That is a consideration with hindsight. Under the circumstances then prevailing such an attitude was not possible. Nor did anyone behave in this fashion. From my experience I know that the possibility, which was alleged only after the War, of opposing orders is a self-protective fairy tale. An individual could secretly slip away. But I was not one of those who thought that permissible.

It is a major error to believe that I belonged to the fanatics of the persecution of the Jews. In the entire post-War period I have been tormented and incensed that all the guilt has been shifted from my superiors and others onto me. I did not in fact make any statements which could have shown my fanaticism, and no blood guilt lies on me. In this connection the witnesses have told a great falsehood. The Court's putting together of statements and documents initially makes a very convincing impression, but it is a deceptive one. I shall try to clarify these errors before the next legal instance.

Nobody came to me and remonstrated with me because of my official activities. Even the witness Pastor Grüber does not claim this. He came to me and only wanted relaxations to be granted, without criticizing my official activities themselves. He confirmed here in Court that I did not reject him, but simply stated to him that I had to obtain my superiors' decision, that I myself could not take a decision.

Dr. Lösener, the ministerial director who was referred to in the proceedings, was the expert in charge of Jewish affairs in the Reich Ministry of the Interior. He has died. In his written statement of justification, which has appeared only recently, he admitted that he knew of the atrocities and that he also informed his superiors accordingly. It must be assumed that everyone in the Ministry of the Interior was thus made aware of what was going on. But no one opposed my superiors. Ministerial Director Lösener continued silently in tacit opposition and served his Führer as a well-paid judge in the Reich Administrative Court. That is the form that the courage of one's convictions takes in the case of a prominent person. In the report he wrote in 1950, Lösener expresses views about me, according to which I am supposed to have been a primary figure in the persecution of the Jews. But these are simply emotional outbursts, without any indication of facts in which these speculations are rooted. The same applies to other witnesses. I was asked by the judges whether I wished to make an admission of guilt, like the Commandant of Auschwitz, Höss, and the Governor General of Poland, Frank. These two had every reason to make such an admission of guilt: Frank, as the person who gave the orders, admitted his guilt for the orders which he gave, and balked at delegating to inferiors. Höss was the one who actually carried out the mass killings.

My position is different. I never had the power and the responsibility of a giver of orders. I never carried out killings, as Höss did. If I had received the order to carry out these killings, I would not have escaped by using a trumped up pretext; during my interrogation I already stated: Since because of the compulsion exerted by an order there was no way out, I would have put a bullet through my brain in order to solve the conflict between conscience and duty.

The Court believes that my current attitude is a result of being on trial and is a fabrication. A whole list of items was given which appear to confirm this. But the contradictions which exist were caused by the fact that, at the beginning of my interrogation by the police, naturally I could not remember details with precision. It was too much, what I had experienced in recent years. Nor did I resist; this is shown by the police record which is over 3,500 pages long. What I said was the first unrestrained attempt to provide assistance in shedding light on things. Mistakes did occur in this, but I had to be allowed to correct them. After sixteen or twenty years have lapsed, I cannot be reproached with such mistakes, nor should my willingness to provide assistance be considered as a subterfuge and a lie.

My life's principle, which I was taught very early on, was to desire and to strive to achieve ethical values. From a particular moment on, however, I was prevented by the State from living according to this principle. I had to switch from the unity of ethics to one of multiple morals. I had to yield to the inversion of values which was prescribed by the State. I had to engage in introspective examination in areas which concern my inner self alone. In this introspective examination I have to ignore my sense of guiltlessness in the legal sense. And I would now ask the Jewish People on a personal level for forgiveness, and I would admit that I am overwhelmed by shame when I think about the evil committed against the Jews and the acts that were perpetrated against them. But in the light of the reasoning of the Judgment this would probably only be interpreted as hypocrisy.

I am not the monster that I am made out to be. I am the victim of an error of judgment. I was assaulted in Buenos Aires, tied to a bed for a week and then drugged by injections in my arms and brought to the airport in Buenos Aires; from there I was flown out of Argentina. This can quite obviously only be explained by the fact that I was considered to be the person who was responsible for everything. The reason for this lies in the fact that the National Socialists of the time and others have spread untruths about me. They wanted to exonerate themselves at my expense, or to create confusion for reasons unknown to me. Oddly enough, some of the press coverage also reproduced the same untrue descriptions in an extremely exaggerated fashion over fifteen years in a most suggestive manner. This is the cause of the false inference. This is the reason why l am here. I thank my Counsel, who has insisted on my rights. I am utterly convinced that I must suffer here for others. I must bear what fate imposes on me.
Source : http://www.remember.org/eichmann/ownwords.htm

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Eichmann the Evasive

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Post by Michael Miller » 20 Jul 2002, 07:49

I've read "Eichmann Interrogated", the record of interrogation by Captain Avner Less of the Israeli Police. I found myself repeatedly disgusted by Eichmann's evasion of guilt. He was a soulless bureaucrat, in my eyes, even worse than a coldblooded murderer. He states that he did not mean to slay anyone, yet his actions led directly to the slayings. And he knew this. He visited concentration camps, he observed Einsatzgruppen murders. And as head of Amt-IV-B-4 (Juden) of the RSHA, he knew exactly what those Jews he put on the trains could expect when they arrived at the Vernichtungslager.

As for his relatively low rank- this is only speculation, but I believe that he never received promotion beyone Obersturmbannführer because Heydrich and Kaltenbrunner wanted to keep the primary figure in the logistical facilitation of the top secret "Final Solution" in a low profile position, not vested with the trappings of high rank and prestige.

His protestations that he sought reassignment to combat duty are not backed up by fact. He was no soldier- never served in a military unit. He received some basic military training at the SS training facility in Dachau, ca. 1933/34. That was all. He was a salesman and a pencil pusher, a glorified desk clerk who directed other desk clerks in the deportation and eventual murder of millions of human beings.

But the key fact here, already mentioned, is that he knew what was going to happen to those he ordered deported. That makes him a murderer, as far as I'm concerned.

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Post by Phil V » 20 Jul 2002, 14:45

I recently saw a documentry here in Australia on our "ethinic channel" SBS.

It was about Jewish callaborators in the concentration camps i.e. the block commanders and the KAPO class who assisted the SS in the administration of the camps.

Most of the callaborators that were interviewed gave their excuses as :

- We were just following orders.
- We were just trying to stay alive.
- If we did not follow orders we would have been killed.
- It was my job at the time.

(Very similar to the defence raised by Eichmann at his trial).

Some of the people interviewed regretted their actions and others were proud.

I have watched Eichmanns trial and have read transcripts. In my opinion it was not Eichmann that was put on trial but the whole Nazi Regime.

Eichmann was the only one they had to make an example of so he became a proxy for the entire anti-sematic actions of the Reich.

Was he gulity?

I don't have an opinion.

But the hanging of one man twenty years after the Holocaust is an exercise in appeasement and revenge.

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Post by dmsdbo » 20 Jul 2002, 16:06

Upon reading about Eichmann's trucks for Jews scheme in Hungary, in which he seemed to have gotten some perverse pleasure from, I had no doubt that he is every bit the monster that he was described as.

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Post by Roberto » 20 Jul 2002, 19:20

Max Brandt wrote: Was he gulity?

I don't have an opinion.
So Mr. Brandt does not have an opinion about whether the man who consciously devoted all his talent and energy to organizing the transportation of countless people to places where they were murdered was guilty of mass murder.

Stange thinking.
Max Brandt wrote:But the hanging of one man twenty years after the Holocaust is an exercise in appeasement and revenge.
And he seems to see a problem with sentencing a murderer twenty years after he has committed his deeds.

Even stranger.

Tell us something, Mr. Brandt, if a mugger who stabbed someone to death in your hometown were found twenty years after his deed, would you see a problem with his being sentenced to the penalty foreseen under the applicable law?

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Post by Phil V » 20 Jul 2002, 19:39

I have no opinion of guilt because I am sure I do not know all the facts and it is not my place to judge anyone.

I do not profess to be an expert in all things as some people do.

I was merely expressing an opinion as to the double standard of the "following orders" defence, due process and evidenciary considerations and the proxy charges of the Eichmann trial.

As for charging someone in my hometown for murders committed twenty years ago, I don't really see the comparison but I am sure someone will set me straight on this as well.

Probably someone with a superior knowledge in all things whose opinion really matters. :mrgreen:

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Post by Scott Smith » 20 Jul 2002, 21:53

dmsdbo wrote:Upon reading about Eichmann's trucks for Jews scheme in Hungary, in which he seemed to have gotten some perverse pleasure from, I had no doubt that he is every bit the monster that he was described as.
I don't understand. It sounds to me that it was a good chance to save some Jews, asuming the premises that 1) the Jews would be killed otherwise, and 2) that the Allies cared anything about the Jews before the end of the war.
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Post by Ovidius » 20 Jul 2002, 23:13

Michael Miller wrote:I found myself repeatedly disgusted by Eichmann's evasion of guilt. He was a soulless bureaucrat, in my eyes, even worse than a coldblooded murderer. He states that he did not mean to slay anyone, yet his actions led directly to the slayings.
Somehow like a professional official executioner? :mrgreen:
Roberto wrote:And he seems to see a problem with sentencing a murderer twenty years after he has committed his deeds.
In many countries an assasination is prescribed after 20 or 25 years.

Participation in Holocaust is nowhere prescribed. :roll:

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Re: Trucks for Jews...

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Post by Roberto » 22 Jul 2002, 15:03

Scott Smith wrote:
dmsdbo wrote:Upon reading about Eichmann's trucks for Jews scheme in Hungary, in which he seemed to have gotten some perverse pleasure from, I had no doubt that he is every bit the monster that he was described as.
Scott Smith wrote:I don't understand. It sounds to me that it was a good chance to save some Jews, asuming the premises that 1) the Jews would be killed otherwise,


Most of them were, IIRC.
Scott Smith wrote:and 2) that the Allies cared anything about the Jews before the end of the war.
Let's assume they did not. Would that make Mr. Eichmann look any better?

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Post by Roberto » 22 Jul 2002, 15:06

Max Brandt wrote:As for charging someone in my hometown for murders committed twenty years ago, I don't really see the comparison but I am sure someone will set me straight on this as well.
The question relates to Mr. Brandt's statement:
Max Brandt wrote:But the hanging of one man twenty years after the Holocaust is an exercise in appeasement and revenge.
and is meant to establish whether Mr. Brandt applies different standards to a plain individual murderer on the one hand and a Nazi mass murderer on the other.

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Post by Roberto » 22 Jul 2002, 15:14

Roberto wrote:And he seems to see a problem with sentencing a murderer twenty years after he has committed his deeds.
Ovidius wrote:In many countries an assasination is prescribed after 20 or 25 years.
Under German law, murder does not prescribe.
Ovidius wrote:Participation in Holocaust is nowhere prescribed.
"Participation in Holocaust" is prosecuted as murder, assistance to murder or manslaughter under German law.

Although there is also a criminal provision regarding genocide, Holocaust crimes cannot be prosecuted under this provision according to the nullum crimen et nulla poena sine lege - principle underlying German criminal law, because the provision was created after the deeds were committed.

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Post by harry palmer » 22 Jul 2002, 19:28

Assigning relatively junior ranks to key players in the Holocaust was not unusual. Amon Goeth was an SS-Untersturmfuhrer (2nd Lt) when he took charge of the KZ at Plaszow, Auschwitz was originally set up and run by SS-Obersturmbannfuhrer Rudolf Hoss.
Eichmann's "trucks for Hungarian Jews offer" sounds more likely a scheme to sow dissent among the Allies than any real willingness to save lives.

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Post by harry palmer » 22 Jul 2002, 19:43

Testimony of Dieter Wisliceny, member of S.D., on "final solution" of Jewish question in South-Eastern Europe , Nuremburg trials; 3rd January 1946.....

"Q. Turning now to the Jews remaining in Budapest, what happened to them?
A. In October-November, 1944, about 30,000 of these Jews, perhaps a few thousand more, were removed from Budapest and sent to Germany. They were to be used to work on the construction of the so-called South-East-Wall, a fortification near Vienna. They were mostly women.

They had to walk from Hungary to the German border -- almost 200 kilometers. They were assembled in marching formations and followed a route specially designated for them. Their shelter and nutrition on this march was extremely bad. Most of them fell ill and lost strength. I had been ordered by Eichmann to take over these groups at the German border and direct them further to the "Lower Danube" Gauleitung for labour purposes. In many cases I refused to take over these so-called workers, because the people were completely exhausted and emaciated by disease. Eichmann, however, forced me to take them over and in this case even threatened to turn me over to Himmler to be put into a concentration camp if I caused him further political difficulties. For this same reason I was later removed from Eichmann's department.
A large proportion of these people then died in the so- called "Lower Danube" Work Camp from exhaustion and epidemics. A small percentage, perhaps 12,000, were taken to Vienna and the surrounding area, and a group of about 3,000 were taken to Bergen-Belsen, and from there to Switzerland. Those were Jews who had been released from Germany as a result of the negotiations with the "Joint."
Q. Summarising the countries of Greece, Hungary, and Slovakia, approximately how many Jews were affected by measures of the Secret Police and S.D. in those countries about which you have personal knowledge?
A. In Slovakia there were about 66,000, in Greece about 64,000, and in Hungary more than half a million.
Q. In the countries of Croatia and Bulgaria, about which you have some knowledge, how many Jews were thus affected?
A. In Bulgaria, to my knowledge, about 8,000; in Croatia I know of only 3,000 Jews who were brought to Auschwitz from Agram in the summer of 1942.
Q. Were meetings held of the specialists on the Jewish problem from Amt IV-A, for the names which appear on this sheet, to which we made reference earlier?
A. Yes. Eichmann was accustomed to calling a large annual meeting of all his experts in Berlin. This meeting was usually in November. At these meetings all the men who were working for him in foreign countries had to report on their activities In 1944, to my knowledge, such a meeting did not take place, because in November, 1944, Eichmann was still in Hungary.
Q. In connection with the Jews about whom you have personal knowledge, how many were subjected to the "final solution", i.e., to being killed?
A. The exact number is extremely hard for me to determine. I have only one basis for a possible estimate, that is a conversation between Eichmann and Hoess in Vienna, in which he said that only a very few of them had been fit for work. Of the Slovakian and Hungarian Jews about 20 to 30 per cent. have been able to work. It is, therefore, very hard for me to give a reliable total.
Q. In your meetings with the other specialists on the Jewish problem and Eichmann did you gain any knowledge or information as to the total number of Jews killed under this program?
A. Eichmann personally always talked about at least 4,000,000 Jews. Sometimes he even mentioned 5,000,000. According to my own estimate I should say that at least 4,000,000 must have been affected by the so-called

"final solution". How many of those actually survived, I am not in a position to say.
Q. When did you last see Eichmann?
A. I last saw Eichmann towards the end of February, 1945, in Berlin. At that time he said that if the war were lost he would commit suicide.
Q. Did he say anything at that time as to the number of Jews that had been killed?
A. Yes, he expressed this in a particularly cynical manner. He said "he would leap laughing into the grave because the feeling that he had 5,000,000 people on his conscience would be, for him, a source of extraordinary satisfaction"

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Post by harry palmer » 22 Jul 2002, 20:11

Eichmann's offer of one million Jews for ten thousand trucks sounds very much like Herbert Kappler's offer of of safety to the Jews of Rome for fifty kilos of gold.

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