Hungarian Navy (river forces) of WW2?

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Hungarian Navy (river forces) of WW2?

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Post by Mait » 03 Aug 2002, 12:54

What the Hungarian Navy did during WW2? As I understand it consisted mostly of some armored river-gunboats. Am I correct? Where and how and when were these ships used?

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Post by Csaba Becze » 03 Aug 2002, 13:04

Hi Mait,

Do you know Marcus' site about this topic?

http://www.skalman.nu/third-reich/axis-hu-navy.htm

I can offer you about the Hungarian River Forces this book:

Csonkaréti, Károly, Benczúr, László
Haditengerészek és Folyamörök a Dunán
Zrínyi Kiadó, Budapest, 1992

After the First World War, the main forces of the K. und K. River Flottila were shared between Rumania and Serbia (for example: the most powerful monitors were all confiscated). Hungary had just Gun Boats (former K. und K. ships) and smaller floating units. New expansion was the PM 1 and the AM serie (the PM had Turán tank turrets; the AM's were minelayers).
Sorry, but I am very lazy to write a lot :lol: :lol:
You should see Csonkaréti's book...

Csaba


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Post by Csaba Becze » 03 Aug 2002, 13:15

Oh, I've found, that Marcus' list is not too exact about this Gun Boat's weaponry.

The main artillery was in two turrets. It had one-one guns, but this guns wasn't 80 mm guns. They were 8 cm guns, it was the Hungarian name, but the exact caliber was 76,5 mm.
The Gyõr had different main weapons: it had two 80 mm Bofors AA guns in his turrets.
The auxiliary weaponry were very varied, and it was changed a lot.
In 1945 all Gun Boats had at least one 40 mm Bofors AA gun or one 20 mmm Vierling, they had 20 mm Solothurn heavy guns, etc...

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Post by Andy H » 03 Aug 2002, 16:26

Did the Hungarians make use of the Yugoslav monitors captured in 1941?

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Post by Andy H » 03 Aug 2002, 16:29

Forgot to ask if Romanian River Monitors which supported the Russian/Romanian advance up the Danube ever came into contact with Hungarian monitors?

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Post by Zachary » 03 Aug 2002, 17:28

Forgive my ignorance but when you say Monitor, do they have any sort of resemblence to the one used during the American Civil War?
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Post by Andy H » 03 Aug 2002, 18:10

The basic principles are the same as per civil war era.

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Post by Csaba Becze » 05 Aug 2002, 11:54

One Yugoslavian sunken Yugoslavian (ex. Austro-Hungarian) monitor were raised by Hungarians, but it was not repaired till autumn 1944.

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Post by Milan Szekelyhidi » 05 Aug 2002, 21:59

Hungarian River Forces, PAM (armoured mine-sweeper boat) with special upperstructure, which was the turret of the Csaba armoured car.

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Post by Ovidius » 05 Aug 2002, 22:09

Zachary wrote:Forgive my ignorance but when you say Monitor, do they have any sort of resemblence to the one used during the American Civil War?
Basically the WWI and WWII river monitors were the direct descendants of the Civil War era monitors, and built for the same purposes.

A monitor can be considered more or less a "river battleship", if the comparison is not overstretched :oops:

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Post by PT Dockyard » 30 May 2005, 13:46

Can you tell me the dimensions on the PAM boat pictured?

Was this a different boat from the PM-1?

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Post by PT Dockyard » 31 May 2005, 02:42

Here are two pictures I have. Is this the Debrechen or a sister ship? She looks like she has Russian made 76mm guns.
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Post by Csaba Becze » 31 May 2005, 08:44

It's the Győr with 8 cm Bofors gun (it was AA gun, but was used in this ship in multi purpose) Only the győr had two 8 cm Bofors guns as main artillery. That's why very easy to identify that ship.

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Post by PT Dockyard » 02 Jun 2005, 04:17

I found a few photos of PM-1 and Debrechen on this site

http://www.haditechnika.hu/Archivum/199404/940409.htm

Can anyone give a brief summary of this action in English?

These pictures answer the question on the PAM pictured earlier- it is different than the PM-1. Can anyone share a picture of the PAM showing the whole boat with dimensions?
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Post by Leo Niehorster » 02 Jun 2005, 08:17

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Source as per by Csaba above:
  Csonkaréti, Károly, Benczúr, László
  Haditengerészek és Folyamörök a Dunán
  Zrínyi Kiadó, Budapest, 1992

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