Berchtesgaden and Party membership

[Hawk]

In one of the last episodes of "Band of Brothers" Easy company is entering Berchtesgaden and one soldier remarks that you had to be a party member to live in Berchtesgaden.

Is this true? If so could someone point me to a source?
Thanks.

[Helly Angel]

No, thats is false.

BTW, Eva Braun, Geli and Angela Raubal werenot NSDAP members and lived on Berchtesgaden.

Best,

[Hawk]

No, thats is false.

BTW, Eva Braun, Geli and Angela Raubal were not NSDAP members and lived on Berchtesgaden.

Best,

Thanks Helly I suspected as much.

[DouglasR]

Re: Geli, Angela, and Eva. Geli Raubal shot herself in 1931 owing to her relationship with AH, and her attempts to break it off. Hitler did own Haus Wachenfeld at the time, but doubt that Geli ever spent time there, since Hitler kept her in Munich. Angela Raubal was related to Hitler, and had no need of party membership. Paula Hitler (often referred to as Schmidt) ran Wachenfeld, nee' Berchtesgaden for Hitler, as Chief Housemaid when he was away. She survived until 1960. Eva, of course, had her own room at Berchtesgaden, and though occassionally photographed wearing a Gold Party Badge, took no direct interest in politics. Those individuals living on the Hoher Gall and the areas surrounding Haus Wachenfeld did have to have a special pass (during the war) to enter or leave the area. Hitler made many attempts to buy up all the property around his home, and he was not successful in this, with several loyal germans still refusing to sell to Hitler even in 1942. Only the KelhsteinHause and the elevator shaft to it are still recognisable today. The ruins of the haus are still there.

In several recent books, the remnants of the Hitler Family in Austria, Germany and New York have laid claim to Hitler's estate and the lands of Berchtesgaden where Hitler had owned Wachenfeld. German courts ruled that his April 29, 1945 will was indeed valid, and the state therefore owned the properties. The problem became, however, proving his death, and that gave the relatives room to contest, since his death had never been proved, and the will thus invalid. Only the skull fragments held by the Russians in Moscow tainted the ruling of the court. The Hitler family lost their case to lay claim to the wealth of Adolf Hitler. (Which was sizeable by the end of the war, despite the destruction of the country)

But No, the Raubals did not need party membership and neither did Eva.
(Who was not even listed as a major war criminal by the Allied Tribunal in 1946)

DouglasR

[Hawk]

Re: Geli, Angela, and Eva. Geli Raubal shot herself in 1931 owing to her relationship with AH, and her attempts to break it off. Hitler did own Haus Wachenfeld at the time, but doubt that Geli ever spent time there, since Hitler kept her in Munich. Angela Raubal was related to Hitler, and had no need of party membership. Paula Hitler (often referred to as Schmidt) ran Wachenfeld, nee' Berchtesgaden for Hitler, as Chief Housemaid when he was away. She survived until 1960. Eva, of course, had her own room at Berchtesgaden, and though occassionally photographed wearing a Gold Party Badge, took no direct interest in politics. Those individuals living on the Hoher Gall and the areas surrounding Haus Wachenfeld did have to have a special pass (during the war) to enter or leave the area. Hitler made many attempts to buy up all the property around his home, and he was not successful in this, with several loyal germans still refusing to sell to Hitler even in 1942. Only the KelhsteinHause and the elevator shaft to it are still recognisable today. The ruins of the haus are still there.

In several recent books, the remnants of the Hitler Family in Austria, Germany and New York have laid claim to Hitler's estate and the lands of Berchtesgaden where Hitler had owned Wachenfeld. German courts ruled that his April 29, 1945 will was indeed valid, and the state therefore owned the properties. The problem became, however, proving his death, and that gave the relatives room to contest, since his death had never been proved, and the will thus invalid. Only the skull fragments held by the Russians in Moscow tainted the ruling of the court. The Hitler family lost their case to lay claim to the wealth of Adolf Hitler. (Which was sizeable by the end of the war, despite the destruction of the country)

But No, the Raubals did not need party membership and neither did Eva.
(Who was not even listed as a major war criminal by the Allied Tribunal in 1946)

DouglasR

Thanks for the info, but this is all known to me. I am interested in the village Berchtesgaden not as much in the Obersaltzberg. During my hollyday in Germany I visited Berchtesgaden and the Obersaltzberg and remembered the remark of the soldier in Band of Brothers.

I have serious doubts that his remark is true, I was just wondering if there were special pre-conditions to live in Berchtesgaden between 1933 and 1945. Like I said I am mainly interested in who could live in the village not the Obersaltzberg

Still thanks for your effort.

[ihoyos]

I think Eva Braun never need any party membership to live or to do anithing she want in germany. ( I can not imagine somebody stopping Eva , for any bureochatric reassons) . I suppose the original question is refered to odrdinary people.
As far I know, only the Obersalzberg area was restricted to " Non ordinary people"
Of course Berchtesgaden was almost 80 % nazi place, like most in Bavaria.
That is not the case of Cologne the most antinazi city ( maximun votes for the nazi, when the elections 28 % .}

[Beppo Schmidt]

But No, the Raubals did not need party membership and neither did Eva.
(Who was not even listed as a major war criminal by the Allied Tribunal in 1946)

Why would Eva Braun have been listed as a war criminal??

[maxxx]

berchtesgaden was just an ordinary small town with people living there before and after hitler. they did definitely not all become nazis just because of their new neighbour. surely some nazi v.i.p.s looked for the "fashionable" neighbourhood of the obersalzberg and it must have been not easy without a lot of money and/or party connections to buy a house there.

in my childhood (in the vicinity of salzburg) we sometimes went to berchtesgaden to visit some friends who had a house there. I never found the slightest visible sign of something special.

[Hawk]

berchtesgaden was just an ordinary small town with people living there before and after hitler. they did definitely not all become nazis just because of their new neighbour. surely some nazi v.i.p.s looked for the "fashionable" neighbourhood of the obersalzberg and it must have been not easy without a lot of money and/or party connections to buy a house there.

in my childhood (in the vicinity of salzburg) we sometimes went to berchtesgaden to visit some friends who had a house there. I never found the slightest visible sign of something special.

Thanks that was precisely the inside info I was looking for. I suspected the BoB statement was bull. I just wanted to be sure.

Thanks again Maxxx

[hein]

http://www.warfoto.com/berchesg.htm

some nice pics

H.

[ltwhb]

As an aside. The Band of Brothers author ,Stephen E. Ambrose portrayed The 101st Airborne as the liberators (conquerers) of Bertchtesgaden. In fact The 30th Infantry regiment of the Third Infantry Division were the first into Berchtesgaden.

The 101st arrived a day or two later.