Peiper in the Ardennes?

[Timo]

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[Timo]

Helly, why did you edit your posts?

[Dieter Zinke]

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Timo,

this is not Peiper !!

Peiper himself wrote to the following newspaper a letter to inform that this is a mistake !!

Oberstab

[Timo]

Oberstab, where did I say it is Peiper? :roll:

The "Schwimmwagen photo". Of course. How silly of me. I should have realized that Peiper was an Unterscharführer in KG Knittel and drove passed the Kaiserbaracke crossroads on 18. Dec. 1944. Thanks for correcting me.

a) the man in the picture, often captioned as "Ochsner", is an Unterscharführer. Peiper was an Obersturmbannführer
b) Peiper wasn't anywere near this location, the Kaiserbaracke crossroads.
c) Peiper didn't use a Schwimmwagen.

No doubt about it, it's NOT Peiper. No pictures of Peiper in the Ardennes exist.

[Helly Angel]

Oberstab,

I said that the man was Peiper, when timo posted the photo I noted the mistake and erased my posts to avoid confusions, Timo posted all these serie of photo to clear the doubt.

Best,

[Dieter Zinke]

Oberstab,

I said that the man was Peiper, when timo posted the photo I noted the mistake and erased my posts to avoid confusions, Timo posted all these serie of photo to clear the doubt.

Best,

Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
But I thought the information Peiper posted himself would be of interest.

Oberstab

[Timo]

It is. Do you have a better scan of Peiper's letter? It is impossible to read the text.

[Dieter Zinke]

Oberstab,

I said that the man was Peiper, when timo posted the photo I noted the mistake and erased my posts to avoid confusions, Timo posted all these serie of photo to clear the doubt.

Best,

Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
But I thought the information Peiper posted himself would be of interest.

Oberstab

[Dieter Zinke]

It is. Do you have a better scan of Peiper's letter? It is impossible to read the text.

here is the letter:

Als interessierter und distanzierter Leser ihrer obigen Zeitschrift muß ich mit Bedauern feststellen, daß Sie einer Mystifikation zum Opfer gefallen sind. Das Foto in Heft 48 S. 406 ("Ardennenoffensive") stellt nicht mich, sondern einen mir unbekannten Unterführer dar. Sollten Sie mir entgegenhalten, daß Sie es aus dem Archiv des British War Museum bezogen haben, so spricht das nicht gegen meine Feststellung, nur gegen das IMV.
Jochen Peiper, Bad Krozingen

Oberstab

[Timo]

Aha, so that is the complete letter. Did you make the rest of the page unreadable on purpose?

[Dieter Zinke]

Aha, so that is the complete letter. Did you make the rest of the page unreadable on purpose?

The rest of the page has no connexion with Peiper. To avoid confusion I made the rest unreadable,

Oberstab

[bake]

hello, Guys

From the book " Album Historique: Leibstandarte SS "

The two SS are Schaefer and Buschel.



Best Regards.

[Timo]

Many names have been given to these men: Schaefer and Buschel, what source is given for this info? And does the book give other facts such as unit or location? Such info would be interesting to find out about the reliability of this info. Both Tiemann and Pallud give the names of these same men as Ochsner and Persin but mention no source for this info. The unit and location are clear: elements of KG Knittel at the Kaiserbaracke crossroads, 18.12.1944.

[Tolga Alkan]

Hello forum,

In some cases thread is going very interesting.Thank you Timo for posting that scans of Schwimmwagen crew.I hate to say that without resources however curiousity hits me,I remember that these soldiers belong to SS-AA1 and so KG Knittel.Do you prove that fact?

Best Regards
Tolga Alkan

[Timo]

Veterans of SS AA 1 have no clue about Persin or Ochsner, though some say they "might have been" with the Versorgungskompanie. They are not listed on the address list of the SS AA 1 Truppenkameradschaft and not in the Volksbund database. I have no clue who ever introduced these names in a publication for the first time. The first Schwimmer in the Kaiserbaracke pics is the vehicle of an Obersturmführer and his driver. From comparing the Ostuf. with one from 1948 is becomes most probable that it's Heinz Goltz, in December 1944 the commander of the Stabskompanie. However, this does not mean the second Schwimmer - the one with "Persin" and "Ochsner" belongs to the Stabskompanie or even the SS AA 1. Some sources suggest that it's actually a Schwimmer from the Batterie Stab of Obersturmführer Fritz Butschek (2./AR 1 LAH), who's Batterie was attached to Kampfgruppe Knittel. But who knows.