Fighting on Hill 141(Djebel Srafi) Tunisia.

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Fighting on Hill 141(Djebel Srafi) Tunisia.

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Post by JeffreyF » 17 Nov 2004, 22:00

I was browsing a portion of the New Zealand official history and came upon a blurb stating that there were Germans involved in this fighting. I had thought that only elements of the GGFF or other Italian units had been involved. Also it lists an 88 firing on a couple of troop carriers but I'm guessing this is just an all inclusive for artillery fire.

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The opposing enemy comprised Young Fascists interspersed with men from 90 Light. There was also a report of tanks some distance back but it was a doubtful one. It is unlikely that there were any German tanks hereabouts at this time, as 15 Panzer Division was already away in the north.
About half way down the page basically.
http://www.nzetc.org/etexts/WH2Bard/c15-1.html

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Post by Andy H » 18 Nov 2004, 01:59

Within the British Official History of the Campaign in the Med & Middle East Vol IV, it mentions and depicts (maps), that mixed in with the Italian Young Fascists were III/47 Pzg Regt (21Panzer) and II/361st Pzg Regt (90Light). Whilst in David Rolfs book "The Bloody Road to Tunis", he makes note of the 104th Pzg Regt (21Panzer) being involved.

Given this corsetting and the ad-hoc nature of the units and fluid battlefield it would not surprise me that all three German units were in someway involved. Though I can find no mention of German tanks, though the Kiwi's asked for tank support.

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Post by JeffreyF » 18 Nov 2004, 08:27

Thank you. I had heard of it as a defense soley by a detachment of the ggff. Who lost the position and then they counter attacked taking the hill back for a short time but with only a handful of men left.

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Post by Sidi Rezegh » 23 Jan 2005, 15:16

JeffreyF wrote:I had heard of it as a defense soley by a detachment of the ggff.
I'm sorry but what is the "ggff"? I'm not familiar with that designation.

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Post by DrG » 23 Jan 2005, 15:28

GGFF is the abbreviation for "Giovani Fascisti" (Young Fascists).

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Post by Sidi Rezegh » 23 Jan 2005, 15:44

Ahh, thanks.

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Post by JonS » 01 Feb 2005, 22:26

If you wind back a few pages to the chaptes on Takrouna and ORATION you'll see that units of 90th Light (and others) were bracketted with, and formally under command of, GGFF for that battle on 19-20 April some 3000 yds to the SW. So saying that 'only elements of GGFF had been involved' is not technically wrong, just a bit misleading.

Also, by that date (and actually for quite some time by then), the Italians had some 88s of their own.

Jon

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