Mons Tiger.

[Patrice]

Hello.
A photograph of Tiger I.Ausf E put out of action at Bois Bourbon around Mons on September 3, 1944.
Photo from the book "Belgique 44" by Peter Taghon éditions Racine.
Patrice.

[mrvector]

poor cat

[Steady]

What destroyed it? It looks battered, but probably it was still not destroyed by artillery.

[Michael Kenny]

Patrice if it would be possible to find the original photo we could perhaps ID the Tiger.
Is there any way you could find out the source?

[Patrice]

Hello Michael,I made a typo it is Bois Bourdon and not "Bois Bourbon" sorry,the only indication of which I have for the origin this photograph is after the legend given in this book, "Photo Bourdon" as the wood where this tank put out of action (?).
Almost all the photographs of this chapter devoted to the Pocket of Mons have like source "Photo Bourdon".
The problem is that for a certain time I seek has to locate this wood without result.
Many German units it is folded up from France at the beginning of September 1944 along the axes Cambrai-Valenciennes-Mons- Brussels and Maubeuge-Mons-Charleroi-Namur.
Some of the German units taken with the trap of the "Pocket of Mons":
The 6°Fallschirmjäger Division,the 18°Felddivision of the Luftwaffe,the 47° and 275° Infanteriedivision and some section of the 49°,344°,352° and 348 Infanteries Division.
And here a few armoured units having been sent by Sepp Dietrich for clogged the breaches in this zone between Mons and the Meuse river:9° and 10° SS Panzer Division with some elements of the 105° Panzer-Brigade.
And more the area of Mons was in the axis of retirement of the s.Pz-Abt 101,102 and 503, it becomes rather difficult to say to which unit this Tiger belonged.
PS sorry for my English.
Patrice.

[monrad]

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[Michael Kenny]

Schneider had just the same as us, a photo with a caption. He says SS 101 but he might be right, he might be wrong. As yet no identification.
Patrice is Bourdon the one north of Marche en Famenne on the N86. East of Dinant?

[Patrice]

No Michael,Finally I found where the Bois-Bourdon (Wood-Bourdon) is located.
It is to 9/10 km in the south of the center of the town of Mons, on the axis Maubeuge (France) Mons (Belgium) Bruxelles ,just after the French border.
Patrice

[Patrice]

On this link, http://www.cegesoma.be/webOpacF.htm I found two photos of the Libération of Bois-Boudon.
The same of my post(Tiger) under the Number: Photo n° 29036
And an other (the wreck of an American Half-track vehicle ) under the number: Photo n° 29037
The two photos.
Patrice.

[Michael Kenny]

Got Bourdon. It is where the N6 and N563 meet

[Michael Kenny]

Patrice any indication as to who has the photo of this Tiger. What collection is it in?

[Patrice]

No Michael, the only indication available is "Photo Bourdon" , in the booK there are other photos with the same indication.
An other photo allways from the same collection, this one from Goegnies-Chausée,also just after the French border,West of Bois Bourdon.
And, here one of this one which I posted on this bond : http://www.fun-online.sk/forum/viewtopi ... 64&start=0
This photo watch Tiger IIB of the s.Pz-ABT 501 abandoned A Jemappes, on the Valencian-Mons road. (West of Mons)
I had already posted on this forum two other photos of same Tiger IIB on this forum.
The link for this two photos : viewtopic.php?p=462990&highlight=#462990

Patrice

[RichTO90]

Patrice any indication as to who has the photo of this Tiger. What collection is it in?

Michael, the five-digit identification makes me almost certain that these are US Army Signal Corps photographs. If so, the originals are in the US National Archives Still and Motion Picture Reading Room at College Park, MD. And of course that would imply that these may have been taken from the perspective of US VII Corps. Does that help any?

[Michael Kenny]

Thanks Rich. I have to get the original to see if any small details tie it to a known Tiger. It is an 'old' photo but the source was unknown.
Patrice all these are the same Tiger II which it seems was moved.

[Patrice]

Yes Michael, it must act of same Tiger IIB which was moved, here two other photographs of the same Tiger which fought from the 2 to September 3 in the center of Jemappes, it was certainly moved because, it owed made up a large obstacle with circulation of the American troops.
Photo found on (in French): http://www.jemappes.be/modules.php?name=liberation
On this link there are other photographs of a German column destroyed in Jemappes by US aviation and Shermans.
Rich, Michael I do not think that the five-digit identification are from the US Army Signal Corps photographs,but of the system of classification specific to the Pallas collection
Here the link in English : http://www.cegesoma.be/webOpacE.htm
Patrice.